The Force Awakens Adam Driver as Kylo Ren - Part 1

Perfect opportunity if they ever do a porn parody, lol

"You're afraid....that you'll never....measure up...to Darth Vader..."

"Only one way to find out..."

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On second thought, potential incest. :barf:

I bet there's so much Ren/Rey fan fiction because of that scene alone. There's so much in it that an appropriately dirty mind can latch on and there's definitely some kind of chemistry/connection going on. Oh well shippers have a couple of years before it becomes officially awkward :)
 
Are you saying he has a big nose when you say some angles? While maybe woman like his because of the hair.
I dunno... he can look really ugly in his other films, but he looks quite handsome in TFA esp in the Rey interrogation scene, not sure what's different, probably makeup and hair

Btw, I've never read the EU books. Can anyone tell me how Kylo Ren is compared to Jacen Solo? Are they similar characters or totally different?
 
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A few relevant quotations from Adam Driver that I have added to my short essay.

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"Well, I didn't think of him as a villain. I guess, when we were working on it, I tried to -- through J.J., hearing what he had to say about it -- hopefully, make him as human as possible. So, that's where I started, where we started, as opposed to an end result. We tried to think of how that person began."

"The costume is powerful, but also getting it on is a lot of information -- 'then why does that person feel the need to cover themselves or be concealed?' is also a lot of information."
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"The Sabre itself is a big metaphor for the character -- it's unpolished and unfinished, and you may or may not get the sense that it may not work at any given moment."
Again, here's my full piece:

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3zgy8n/star_wars_a_close_analysis_of_kylo_ren_why_kylo/
 
I think that him not being a full-on villain yet is kind of the point. I seem to recall JJ mentioning that he was interesting in seeing the progression of not just a hero, but also a villain.
 
Some have said he has more of the darkside in him but maybe the issue with kylo ren is that he has to much of the light side in him since at least in the clone wars tv show they gave off the idea that once you embrace the darkside then its taken you
 
I remember reading JJ saying Kylo is in the grey area, but I can't find it anymore, can anyone help?
 
i think he's definitely got quite a bit of lightside in him still. he tells vader's helmet as much.
 
That's his dilemma. I think he has far too much light side in him that he cares to admit. His enternal struggle is the fact that he can still feel the goodness inside of him.

By killing Han, he feels that will be enough to completely turn him towards the dark side. Yet even then, I'm inclined to believe that this will ultimately backfire on him.
 
Thing is... While I get that even Vader was able to be "redeemed" as it were at the end and put an end to Palpitine as a way to make amends... He still did terrible actions, killed children, destroyed how many lives, tore apart how many families...? He ended up making good with his own life.

Is this what Ben's destiny is or are we seeing the "Villain's Journey" here? Vader's actions were something referenced in the past of the OT. Here, we saw Ben commit patricide, and it seemed premeditated, perhaps from the moment Ben sensed Han arrive on Starkiller. It's such a momentous act, villain wise, that I kind of suspect the creators are letting us know that Ben has turned away from the light. He may have been struggling in TFA but I think come the next episode that he will have embraced the dark side completely. I wouldn't mind seeing Snoke actually get replaced by Kylo himself as the main villain of this trilogy come VIII.
 
Thing is... While I get that even Vader was able to be "redeemed" as it were at the end and put an end to Palpitine as a way to make amends... He still did terrible actions, killed children, destroyed how many lives, tore apart how many families...? He ended up making good with his own life.

Is this what Ben's destiny is or are we seeing the "Villain's Journey" here? Vader's actions were something referenced in the past of the OT. Here, we saw Ben commit patricide, and it seemed premeditated, perhaps from the moment Ben sensed Han arrive on Starkiller. It's such a momentous act, villain wise, that I kind of suspect the creators are letting us know that Ben has turned away from the light. He may have been struggling in TFA but I think come the next episode that he will have embraced the dark side completely. I wouldn't mind seeing Snoke actually get replaced by Kylo himself as the main villain of this trilogy come VIII.

While I don't think he is going to get redeemed because it would then make it to much like vader and not ever one has to be redeemed.
 
Honestly, I think I buy Vader being redeemed to begin with even less than I originally did after seeing Kylo. If someone trying to live up to his legacy is irredeemable, how could Vader himself not be the same?

Granted we don't know for sure Kylo is irredeemable but it seems like the most natural route to take him in, especially based on JJ Abrams' comments. Plus it would be redundant to have your villain switch sides in the trilogy's final film again (for thr third time).
 
Honestly, I think I buy Vader being redeemed to begin with even less than I originally did after seeing Kylo. If someone trying to live up to his legacy is irredeemable, how could Vader himself not be the same?

Granted we don't know for sure Kylo is irredeemable but it seems like the most natural route to take him in, especially based on JJ Abrams' comments. Plus it would be redundant to have your villain switch sides in the trilogy's final film again (for thr third time).

Seems likely he will be redeemed in some way as the idea that han was killed by his only son who was evil and a dick seems abit of a crap way to end the characters legacy.

The natural move would be to carry on showing how much killin han effected him and haunts him and left a mark so han didnt die for nothing

and since TFA replicated alot of the OT it wouldnt be a shock if he was redeemed to follow suit... well aslong as its not revealed kylo and rey are brother and sister and episode IX is ROTJ but with brother and sister instead of father and son
 
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Honestly, I think I buy Vader being redeemed to begin with even less than I originally did after seeing Kylo. If someone trying to live up to his legacy is irredeemable, how could Vader himself not be the same?

Granted we don't know for sure Kylo is irredeemable but it seems like the most natural route to take him in, especially based on JJ Abrams' comments. Plus it would be redundant to have your villain switch sides in the trilogy's final film again (for thr third time).

I stopped considering Anakin fully redeemed by the end of ROTJ a long time ago. I don't care how much the movie wants me to swallow it's happy ending, and it is a happy ending, but Anakin doesn't get off that easy. Not by a long shot. That man has a LOT to answer for.

In ROTJ he comes back to the Light Side, he kills the emperor, he helps the Rebels in a massive way, he helps destroy the Death Star, and he gives his life doing it...But Not even everything he did that day could ever make up for the countless billions that he helped kill while he was a Sith. You don't just wipe that slate clean. Something like that takes work, and death isn't a get out of jail free card. That's one reason I want to see Anakin as a force ghost. He should have to help Luke and others that are fighting the darkness. That should be his penance. He shouldn't get off scott free just because he kicked the bucket.

The Art Book for TFA shows concept art for an Anakin force ghost because when they were hammering out the story in the early Arndt days it was thought that Anakin might appear in Episode 7. The note with the concept art says that they conceived his force ghost as one that shifts between Anakin and Vader, because the dark and the light is a part of who Anakin is. So he carries that with him even in the afterlife. And I like that, because it makes him not only imperfect in death but also goes back to the fact that he is a creation of the Force and the Force is both Light and Dark.

Of course, Rian could throw all that out and do something entirely different with Anakin, or nothing at all.
 
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Did Rey destroy his lightsaber? I can't seem to remember what happened to it.
 
I don't think she destroyed it.
I didn't think so at first, but then what does she do? She slashes down, and just lets go? Either way, his lightsaber is gone. He'd have to make a new one.
 
Well if the lightsaber was a metaphor for Kylo's instability and rawness, then it would make sense for a more seasoned Kylo to have a refined saber in the next go around.
 
Well if the lightsaber was a metaphor for Kylo's instability and rawness, then it would make sense for a more seasoned Kylo to have a refined saber in the next go around.
Watch him show up with Vader's actual saber.
 
"Where did you get that?"

"A good question for another time."

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I stopped considering Anakin fully redeemed by the end of ROTJ a long time ago. I don't care how much the movie wants me to swallow it's happy ending, and it is a happy ending, but Anakin doesn't get off that easy. Not by a long shot. That man has a LOT to answer for.

In ROTJ he comes back to the Light Side, he kills the emperor, he helps the Rebels in a massive way, he helps destroy the Death Star, and he gives his life doing it...But Not even everything he did that day could ever make up for the countless billions that he helped kill while he was a Sith. You don't just wipe that slate clean. Something like that takes work, and death isn't a get out of jail free card. That's one reason I want to see Anakin as a force ghost. He should have to help Luke and others that are fighting the darkness. That should be his penance. He shouldn't get off scott free just because he kicked the bucket.

The Art Book for TFA shows concept art for an Anakin force ghost because when they were hammering out the story in the early Arndt days it was thought that Anakin might appear in Episode 7. The note with the concept art says that they conceived his force ghost as one that shifts between Anakin and Vader, because the dark and the light is a part of who Anakin is. So he carries that with him even in the afterlife. And I like that, because it makes him not only imperfect in death but also goes back to the fact that he is a creation of the Force and the Force is both Light and Dark.

Of course, Rian could throw all that out and do something entirely different with Anakin, or nothing at all.

I agree, but my point is we now have a logical inconsistency within the Star Wars universe itself that makes it even more problematic on top of the baggage of ethical issues the Vader thing already carried. If Ren is too far gone, so should have been Vader.
 
I want no force ghost Anakin. At what point does the new series do away with the past trilogy in order to stand on its own? Granted, I loved TFA and it's already standing on its own, but we already have Leia and now Luke back. I don't want Vader. I don't want Anakin

If Snoke has been manipulating visions for Kylo to see when he's meditating and fooling him into thinking Anakin is talking to him, that's fine. But I'd rather that come up in conversation rather than it being SHOWN.
Kylo: "Leader, I've been shown the way. My grandfather spoke to me again last night...."
Snoke: "Outstanding....

Please, for the love of all that is Star Wars, let's move forward.
 
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i'm expecting anakin's force ghost to appear to kylo at some point.
If they decide to do something like have the villains try to tempt Rey into joining the dark side, it would be cool IMO if they had Anakin appear before Rey as a ghost and warn her to not make the same mistakes that he did (if they do, hopefully Hayden can do a better job this time as I was not a big fan of him overall in the movies he was in).
 
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I want no force ghost Anakin. At what point does the new series do away with the past trilogy in order to stand on its own? Granted, I loved TFA and it's already standing on its own, but we already have Leia and now Luke back. I don't want Vader. I don't want Anakin.

Its not just a new trilogy its also an episodic continuation so there does seem to be ties
 

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