Guardians of the Galaxy Adam Warlock

[SomeOldGuy]

Yeah, I think Picard Stewart is right. It hadn't occured to me watching AoU this morning but seem obvious in hindsight. A bit sad to me since Adam is one of my favorite Marvel characters, but if they were going to introduce him and his whole backstory with Thanos prior to IW, well, they really needed to get a move on by now. I can live with this new direction.

 

[Lilbaz]

Vision is a bit similar to Warlock so there fore Warlock will not exist? Sorry but no. We have seen that the films are not the same as the comics. Drax is an alien. Who knows what they could do with Warlock. Or if we even see his origin.

Just had a look at the first appearance of Adam in FF. He gives off a dazzling radioactive light. Could that be where Starlords mother got her cancer?

 

[Picard Stewart]

Yeah, I think Picard Stewart is right. It hadn't occured to me watching AoU this morning but seem obvious in hindsight. A bit sad to me since Adam is one of my favorite Marvel characters, but if they were going to introduce him and his whole backstory with Thanos prior to IW, well, they really needed to get a move on by now. I can live with this new direction.

Thank God someone recognized Adam in there.

I swear to God, nobody seems to know Adam at all so everyone for the most part is convinced Bettany was playing a faithful adaptation of Vision. He was playing Adam Warlock packaged as Vision.

Whedon threw the butterfly nod in there for Adam Warlock fans but there clearly aren't that many because barely anyone spotted it.

Can't wait for Feige or Whedon to address this so Adam can get his due and not Vision who is basically being butchered for no reason. We could have had both characters.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Why would they combine Vision and Warlock when they could use each as a chance to introduce a separate Infinity Stone? Of course they don't have to go that direction, but I'm going to wait for confirmation before I subscribe to the theory of them being combined, no offense Picard

 

[Picard Stewart]

Why would they combine Vision and Warlock when they could use each as a chance to introduce a separate Infinity Stone? Of course they don't have to go that direction, but I'm going to wait for confirmation before I subscribe to the theory of them being combined, no offense Picard

My guess is Feige and Whedon didn't feel confident in doing a straightforward adaptation of Adam. He's an obscure character (sadly) and would have really required his own movie to be properly explored. I disagree with what they did but after digesting it since Thursday night I think there's hope for Adam to end up where he needs to be for Infinity Wars.

Anyway, I posted this in the other thread. Its a list of red flags pointing to Adam that showcase how Vision was just adapted visually.

-Vision isn't born a mechanical android but rather a bio-engineered being with organic flesh by Dr. Cho (like Adam by the High Evolutionary)
-His consciousness comes from the gem, making the two symbiotic (like Adam and the Soul Gem)
-Thor sees him in his vision of the events to come involving the Gauntlet, hence trusting him upon his "birth"
-His dialogue from beginning to end in the film is 100% Adam Warlock. In particular His position on life and death and the line "I simply am."
-His lifting of Mjolnir. Adam is a saint. He is more worthy than anyone else in the Marvel Universe to wield Mjolnir. He is literally the Avatar of Life created to oppose Thanos - The Avatar of Death.
-The butterfly he sees (which I thought was a dead giveaway) is probably the biggest nod by Whedon.

 

[Lilbaz]

My guess is Feige and Whedon didn't feel confident in doing a straightforward adaptation of Adam. He's an obscure character (sadly) and would have really required his own movie to be properly explored. I disagree with what they did but after digesting it since Thursday night I think there's hope for Adam to end up where he needs to be for Infinity Wars.

Anyway, I posted this in the other thread. Its a list of red flags pointing to Adam that showcase how Vision was just adapted visually.

-Vision isn't born a mechanical android but rather a bio-engineered being with organic flesh by Dr. Cho (like Adam by the High Evolutionary)
-His consciousness comes from the gem, making the two symbiotic (like Adam and the Soul Gem)
-Thor sees him in his vision of the events to come involving the Gauntlet, hence trusting him upon his "birth"
-His dialogue from beginning to end in the film is 100% Adam Warlock. In particular His position on life and death and the line "I simply am."
-His lifting of Mjolnir. Adam is a saint. He is more worthy than anyone else in the Marvel Universe to wield Mjolnir. He is literally the Avatar of Life created to oppose Thanos - The Avatar of Death.
-The butterfly he sees (which I thought was a dead giveaway) is probably the biggest nod by Whedon.

Again you are making assumptions based on the comics. Warlock may have a different origin in mcu as drax did.
Also correct me if i'm wrong but warlock was not created with use of the soul gem. He got that later. He was also a narcissist so it is doubtful whether he can lift Thors hammer (for the same reason thor couldn't).
Warlock might be an obscure character but so is vision to the general audience.
Again we have seen his cocoon in the collectors collection.

 

[Picard Stewart]

Again you are making assumptions based on the comics. Warlock may have a different origin in mcu as drax did.
Also correct me if i'm wrong but warlock was not created with use of the soul gem. He got that later. He was also a narcissist so it is doubtful whether he can lift Thors hammer (for the same reason thor couldn't).
Warlock might be an obscure character but so is vision to the general audience.
Again we have seen his cocoon in the collectors collection.

Gunn confirmed that cocoon isn't Adam's.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

-Thor sees him in his vision of the events to come involving the Gauntlet, hence trusting him upon his "birth"

That's an interesting point. That whole sequence made no sense to me at all watching the movie, I just chalked it up to something being lost in editing.

On the plus side, if you're right, that means we can still hope for a Warlock/Magus movie in phase 12 or whenever!

 

[Picard Stewart]

That's an interesting point. That whole sequence made no sense to me at all watching the movie, I just chalked it up to something being lost in editing.

On the plus side, if you're right, that means we can still hope for a Warlock/Magus movie in phase 12 or whenever!

That was the first red flag for me. Why was Vision in his vision of the Gauntlet? Then it hit me. But I put it away for a bit until he started talking and encountered the butterfly. That's when I realized they'd done Adam.

And yeah, we can still get the Magus. All Whedon really did was replace the High Evolutionary with Dr. Cho in his creation.

 

[Lilbaz]

Gunn confirmed that cocoon isn't Adam's.

When they made the mid credit scene for tdw they would have asked gunn for his input, so that it fitted with his vision of gotg. They would not have spent hours making a cocoon that looked exactly like adams for a laugh.

This is not to say he's in it. Or was. But it is a hint that he'll appear at some point.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

I don't think that:

1. Vision will take on at least some (if not all) of the role of Warlock in IW, and

2. Adam Warlock will eventually show up in the Marvel (Cinematic) Cosmic Universe

...are necessarily contradictory statements. Gunn has said repeatedly that he is in no hurry to bring the Guardians to Earth, and they could certainly tweak Adam's origins to give him a cosmic start, versus an earthly one.

All we can do is wait and see.

 

[Mike Murdock]

When they made the mid credit scene for tdw they would have asked gunn for his input, so that it fitted with his vision of gotg. They would not have spent hours making a cocoon that looked exactly like adams for a laugh.

This is not to say he's in it. Or was. But it is a hint that he'll appear at some point.

Well, I think it's clear it was supposed to be Adam Warlock's cocoon. But it's unclear whether it still is supposed to be.

 

[Lilbaz]

If he is starlords dad. Then he wouldn't have been in the cocoon. We will need a character at some point that knows Thanos's history. Warlock could fit that role.

We will see in GotG 2. He may well not be in it but i wouldn't get upset until we have definite information.

 

[BarryAllen]

I don't think Vision in Age of Ultron was a repackaged Adam Warlock. It was just a different take on Vision. So it's still mostly the same Vision as the comics but with some tweaks.

It made sense that Vision could lift the hammer. He was just created and thus was pure of heart. Having an Infinity Stone in his head is not impeding on Warlock, but Marvel cutting corners by replacing his yellow stone from the comics with something of more importance.

 

[0604854]

If you give Adam Warlock/Magus the soul stone he does not have to have it in he's head, instead the stone could be in he's chest or within hes body. I think we will probably see the Magus as a villain in GOTG vol2 or Infinity war Part 1 before he becomes Adam Warlock again for the final battle with Thanos (I'm thinking the soul stone is parasitic, causing Adam Warlock to hunger for the life force of others) when he loses the stone when he is beaten by the GOTG or whoever (which is when Thanos takes it) he becomes free from it's influence and becomes Adam Warlock.

 

[Venomfan]

So might they be using kismit instead of warlock to get more female characters in?

 

[The_Manhunter]

So might they be using kismit instead of warlock to get more female characters in?

I think Kismit will be the villain and Quill's father will be Warlock.

 

[Dasher10]

I think Kismit will be the villain and Quill's father will be Warlock.

That's honestly what's probably happening. Unless Fox own Warlock with the FF rights and Ayesha is his replacement in the MCU since she's practically the same character but female. In that case, Kurt Russel is probably Starfox.

 

[The_Manhunter]

That's honestly what's probably happening. Unless Fox own Warlock with the FF rights and Ayesha is his replacement in the MCU since she's practically the same character but female. In that case, Kurt Russel is probably Starfox.

TBH despite my post I don't know what the point would even be of introducing Warlock - he'd be such a new character to introduce late in the game. May as well just have Vision take his place in IW.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

What if we don't see Warlock? What if he's kind of just replaced by Her?

 

[tbg]

Here's some more theorizing. What if Adam Warlock was already out of a previous cocoon and is Quill's father, and the cocoon in GOTG was the one for Her/Kismet? You could then have your villain for GOTG2 (Kismet), an appearance by Warlock towards the end. Also, others have speculated that Vision replaced Warlock. Vision has the mind gem, not soul gem. Warlock can (and likely will) have the soul gem, and the time gem will likely be tied to Dr. Strange (I thought I saw where it was confirmed that the eye of Agamotto), and Thanos presumably will take the space gem during Thor 3.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

We should first consider the thought that Visio may not even be nearing the levels of Warlock's power to be considered his equal, and playing such a pivotal role in IW.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

I'm a huge Warlock fan and would love to see him up on the screen, but it's become difficult to see how they would do it effectively at this point. With Vision you already have an artificial being with an infinity stone on his forehead, so rolling out another one would be repetitive. And doing so also risks feeling cheap; Marvel has made all these films teasing the Big Event where Earth's mightiest heroes team up to battle Thanos...and suddenly you introduce a new character to save the day? I'm not saying it's impossible but other than "it's in the comics" (which only a tiny fraction of moviegoers have read or care about) I can't come up with a good reason to bother adding Adam to the mix.

 

[The_Manhunter]

What if we don't see Warlock? What if he's kind of just replaced by Her?

I'd be OK with that I guess, but I'd rather have Adam

 

[Godzillasaurus]

I would suggest just omitting Warlock and Kismet completely. Vision is already an established character in the franchise, and there is a looming lack of purpose to include Warlock alongside him.