The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Stories From the Comics for the 3rd Film

[Changeling]

No it would only be great if 2 was tlh

 

[Nefilim]

Seeing as this is Bruce Wayne's rookie season as Batman, I thought the escalation theme of TDK would take an even more aggressive turn coming into further sequels. In BB, the gates of Arkham Asylum were forcibly opened and chaos ran amok in Gotham City by Ra's Al Ghul, so I don't see why some other criminal mastermind (i.e, Bane) wouldn't try it once again just to piss Batsy off..

My idea of a Knightfall adaptation is that it closely resembles the comic book plotline, however no Robin or Nightwing would exist, and would fit in nicely with Batman's beginnings as a crime fighter, considering that after 3 movies directed by Nolan, another three-part arc would seem appropriate. A Jean Paul Valley would be ok with me, yet there should be an entire separate movie that would introduce him into the mix and further develop his characterization, which leads into the Knightfall movie adaptation. It could be possible that Jean Paul Valley was actually a student of Ra's Al Ghul prior to Bruce Wayne, only that he was taking the law into his own hands in some other part of the globe. Upon hearing of Ghul's death, he ventures into Gotham City to seek vengeance and there he meets Bruce Wayne. As Batman, Bruce defeats Jean Paul, and confines him into Arkham Asylum. It would also help that Jean Paul actually knows who Batman is, yet due to his learnings from other continents, perhaps somewhere like Japan, he decides not to reveal Batman's secret identity as some sort of code of honor.

Bane enters into the mix upon the next movie, with the same introduction as Joker, without any knowledge of who he is, and upon arriving he breaks out all the inmates from Arkham to once again cause trouble for Batsy and the GCPD. Following the plot of the comic book, Batman grows weary with each encounter of an arch-nemesis.

Prior to Bane's true reveal to Batsy, our hero would have a final encounter with the Joker in the streets at dawn. After defeating and neutralizing Mr. J, Bane introduces himself and gives Bats a hard time, seeing as he has grown physically tired and too weak to give Bane a good fight. Then Bane breaks his back.

In the third and final chapter of the film, Jean Paul Valley discovers Batman has been broken. He decides to take our hero back to the Batcave, and helps him recuperate (with the mindset that only he should bring down the Caped Crusader). As Bruce regains his health, Jean Paul forcibly takes the mantle of the Bat as his own and battles Bane. (I foresee this taking place in the middle of the entire flick, somewhere around the 45minute to 1 hour mark)

Gotham is thankful to this new Batman, yet perhaps after a few weeks they are rather surprised by the tactics he employs upon capturing what's left of the Arkham inmates, namely morally incomprehensible acts of violence by killing off criminals here and there. Bruce becomes 100% and there he decides to take down Jean Paul for a final showdown and an end to the whole plot.

Tell me what you think, all this I just typed on to go so pardon me for any hints of repetitiveness with my grammar and such... (plus, its 8:10am in here and I haven't slept a wink lol)

 

[Christmas]

Couldn't find a thread to really express this opinion exactly, so please excuse the new thread I've made, but I think it's warranted.

I think Batman: War on Crime should be used as a template for the third and final chapter of the presumed Nolan-Bat trilogy. For those unfamiliar with this truly great Batman story, please take a look at Mr. Mark S. Reinhart's excellent run-down of the graphic Novel:

http://www.batman-on-film.com/opinion_batman-war-on-crime-msreinhart_4-14-08.html

Batman/Bruce Wayne should be a more mature, wizened hero, understanding the boundless philanthropic power he has in a corrupt city, establishing a better report with Commissioner Gordon and the entire GCPD, and IMO he should reach out to the working class of Gotham; seeing from their p.o.v will help put his War in perspective -ie: just cracking skulls and kicking ass is not going to reduce villainy in Gotham (though of course he's going to take them on violently, just with a clearer approach to what will bring results). All of these elements are more brilliantly and succinctly put together in the book so go out and pick it up if you have not.

I just have a hunch for a final film Nolan will want a more sober Batman so to speak, and War on Crime has many great elements to develop, not to mention appearances by Penguin, Riddler, Selina Kyle, among others are woven into the story. Hopefully we'll see that multi-layered universe of villains implanted into the last film as we have seen so far.

But that's just me, what stories or particular runs in the comics do you think can fit into a 3rd Nolan Bat film? Please think and discuss.

 

[elgato]

Sounds cool, but it would be really nice if this thread served as a place qhere people express how they want BB3 to be

 

[Christmas]

That was kind of my intention, having a spot for the plot/themes/storylines of the 3rd movie, i dont mind if a mod renames the thread to suit that a little better. I obviously had my preferences but i hope it gets people thinking.

 

[nOvAkAiNe]

as dark knight is LOOSELY based on the long halloween, i feel that if they introduce the riddler in "bats 3" it should be loosely based on the hush storyline. with the riddler learning his identity, harvey dent still on the loose, and maybe even introducing the catwoman in a role like she has in long halloween/dark victory where she plays both sides of the fence. i think it could be great as well and it will hopefully not need the joker (since who can really fill in heaths rip shoes) and i dont think we need robin yet, there are so many good batman stories where he hasnt had robin, maybe then the 4th one could be loosely based on dark victory and its introduction of robin, which is by far the best robin origin story. thoughts?

 

[tekken]

all of my favorite batman stories have robin in one way or the other, lol. in fact, batman's not much of loner like he says he is. when one robin quits/dies, he finds another one, haha.

but i wouldn't like a movie based on HUSH unless it was done right. i'd like an animated movie for HUSH, but not in nolan's universe. i say use riddler, just not his scheme in hush.

 

[az824]

Its WAAAY to soon to do a Hush movie, most of the characters havent been introduced. but if u do it like u said (loosely based) it wouldnt be so bad

 

[nOvAkAiNe]

yeah thats what i meant for it to be loosely based it could have harvey's obsession with duality drives him to get the riddler to help figure out batmans secret identity and it could also take the BASIC outline of hush with a bit of dark victory thrown in there. I'd just like to see catwoman and riddler introduced and i enjoyed catwoman in dark victory and when in rome and riddler from the hush storyline...it would be impossible and terrible to introduce everyone from hush, but it would be awesome for two face to just wreck batmans life, using the riddler and MAYBE even solomon grundy...but that shouldnt happen, too many villains always ruin the movies.

 

[Nepenthes]

Well, I was gonna make fun of you but it's actually not a bad idea. Do a tour of Gotham City as Batman unravels the identity of his mysterious tormentor, who in the end is some geek we previously knew from the 60's show and Jim Carrey. Suddenly the Riddler is bad arse; it would be a nice reveal fo normal audiences just as it was for fans in the comics. Two-Face, Catwoman, Penguin, Killer Croc, the Venquilotrist, Firefly, they're all manipulated in the plot. The minor villains only need a couple of scenes each.

 

[JokerLedger]

A third movie being based on HUSH would've worked if Rachel Dawes was actually a dude.

 

[nOvAkAiNe]

i was just rereading it today and it made me think how much of a threat the riddler could really be, we've never seen the riddler as an actual bad guy, he's been more of comic relief and a guy that gets his butt handed to him by bats.

 

[Joker]

I wouldnt mind them introducing the character of Tommy Elliot, as set up for a future movie, but Hush should be saved for later. At least movie 6 or so, so they can do it right.

 

[Crook]

The unfortunate thing about adapting "big" stories such as Hush, Knightfall, or TLH, is you practically need at least 3 or so films to introduce all the major characters and develop them. Even then, it's not even guaranteed you'd have all the actors back, or if you'll be successful enough to reach that stage.

It'd take a whole bunch of meticulous planning to set up that kind of universe, and frankly DC/WB aren't those type of people.

 

[kage88]

i wouldn't go with hush on the third movie. perhaps a 2 1/2-3 hour animated movie in the lines of the spawn animated series that aired on hbo;very violent and "moderate" use of blood. with that said, lighten up the daylight scenes. i swear, all the daylight scenes in spawn were very dark!

 

[Man Who Laughed]

I know this is a diff. character and all, but while we're on the subject of HUGE adaptations, I gotta say, I've always wanted to see a adaptation of The Death and Return of Superman. Every time I read those, I can't help but think you could easily pull 5-6 movies out of that storyline.

But back on topic, I would love to see Hush adapted. I've been a Batman fan for as long as I can remember, but last year when I got TLH, DV, Haunted Knight, Hush 1 & 2, and Hush Returns, and read them all within two weeks, I've never felt more like I truly knew how Batman should be defined. After I finished Hush, I set it down and just thought, "Damn. THAT'S Batman." Same goes for the Sale+Loeb collabs.

For some reason, I just think that this is Batman in his element. And Hush. There's a f***ing good villain if I ever saw one. It's amazing how deep that storyline went.

Sliding OT once more here, what was supposed to happen after the end of Hush Returns? I don't buy the comics, because I have an addictive personality, so I stick to the TPBs. And if I remember, Hush Returns just sort of...stopped. WTF?

 

[Nepenthes]

The unfortunate thing about adapting "big" stories such as Hush, Knightfall, or TLH, is you practically need at least 3 or so films to introduce all the major characters and develop them. Even then, it's not even guaranteed you'd have all the actors back, or if you'll be successful enough to reach that stage.

It'd take a whole bunch of meticulous planning to set up that kind of universe, and frankly DC/WB aren't those type of people.

but say for example the cast of a 'Hush' movie included Scarecrow, Firefly, Killer Croc, Venquilotrist.......the type of villains that fit more easily into NolansWorld. Apart from the main players of Two-Face, Catwoman and Riddler, would any of these guys really need to be what you call 'major characters'? They're interesting and striking enough to exist without a backstory imo. The 'Hush' movie, as I see it, would mainly have to dwell on Catwoman as the new major character. Two-Face has been introduced in TDK and Riddler would only be revealed and fleshed out towards the end.

Question is....who would the actual 'Hush' character be, the mystery, the red herring? I really don't like Tommy Elliot and there's nothing special about him that's calling to be transferred to film. It's easy to say Two-Face should act as the 'Hush' plot device, but then again in the comic we all presumed Hush was actually Harvey anyway (if not Tommy Elliot) and that served a second purpose in itself. It would have to be someone other than Harvey, but someone that Harvey could easily imposter if we wanted to. Hence the bandages as a full face mask, to cover Harvey's scarring. Black Mask, Bane and Deadshot all wear full face disguises.

so, my movie three cast based off the premise of Hush is;

CENTRAL PLAYERS
Batman
Two-Face
Catwoman
Deadshot (who we assume is actually Two-Face and the central mystery antagonist)

CAMEO ROLES
Firefly
Killer Croc
Venquilotrist
Scarecrow

ACT THREE VILLAIN
Riddler

Hhm, maybe you don't need a Hush character after all....

 

[Man Who Laughed]

I think that you should have Tom Elliot. If not for anything else, then at least for the emotional factor. That was the best part of the entire arc, IMO. The fact that he and Bruce were friends, his parents "accident."

Also, Gotham Knight is gonna deal with Deadshot, so we'll have to see how Bats handles that.

 

[HappyCat]

I think it's obvious that Christopher Nolan used Batman : Year One as the basis for Batman Begins and from what I understand The Dark Knight is riffing on The Long Halloween. So, if Nolan is going to do another movie to wrap it up as a trilogy then I can't think of a better way then taking ceratin elements from TDKR for the basis of Batman 3.

Now, there are morons on the IMDB that think that since Year One and The Long Halloween are back to back stories that Dark Victory would be used next. I really think most of the posters there are 12 year olds. They didn't seem to understand why I was suggesting TDKR's as the basis for Batman 3. Given that The Dark Knight deals with The Joker and Two-Face, and depending on those characters fates, TDKR is a logical choice.

Now I'm NOT suggesting a direct adaptation. I am NOT suggesting putting Superman in the movie. To be honest, I never liked The Dark Knight Returns because of the way Miller used and then just killed off The Joker. Miller just wanted Batman and Superman to fight and the Joker wasn't important to him. But there is alot of really good stuff in the book that could be used for Batman 3.

I'm sure IF Nolan does a third film then he'll no doubt draw elements from various comic's but if you we're going to use any of them as a jumping off point then TDKR wouldn't be bad place to start.

Of course this all depends on IF Nolan does a third Batman film and if he's going to bring back The Joker and/or Two-Face. Yeah, it's blasphemy to suggest re-casting The Joker when The Dark Knight hasn't even came out but I'd bet Nolan is thinking about this. If he isn't willing to have someone else play The Joker, he would more then likely have Two-Face in it along with another villain. The Riddler would be a logical choice since the character would fit into Nolan's relistic take on Batman.

But then maybe Nolan shouldn't do a third film. After a Batman/Joker conflict as epic as TDK's promises to be, I don't see how any other villain could match it?

 

[Laderlappen]

Dark Victory would be an obvious choice. If Catwoman I can see them using inspirations from TLH/DV and also Hush.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

"Dark Victory", Batman: Hush, and Two-Face Strikes Twice for Two-Face.

Alot of episodes from BTAS could work out too.

 

[sLauGhTeR]

Why not do the Black Mask? takes control over the mob and goes after Two Face and Batman?

 

[omerhead]

Why don't they take elements from the Dennis 'O Niel & Neal Adams Batman comic books, Batman: Hush and bring a little bit macabre feel to it.

 

[Aidan2209]

Sorry, you guys can dream all you want but it won't happen. Nolan borrows from many different comics, he's not just going to adapt a single one. Batman Begins was not Batman: YO. The third film may be very close to DV/LH but it won't be exactly.

Yeah, you don't adapt a single Batman comic book/limited series into a feature film when the character has been around for so long and appears in so many different stories. They could adapt a limited series or one-shot into a DC animated film, and they probably have, but they can't adapt it into a big-budget feature. That doesn't make the least bit of sense. What they've always done is taken the character/s, as well as other story elements and inspiration from certain exemplary comics within the Batman mythos, and used them in constructing an original film. The same goes with most superheroes. It's different with something like Watchmen, which is the limited series.

 

[omerhead]

Taking elements is what I meant, I accidentally wrote adapt in my post, anyway I edited my post.