Two-Face and the delightfully grotesque visuals that could accompany the character are good enough to excused the drivel from Forever. Dick Grayson being Robin brings up sidesplitting jokes one should not get from a Batman movie. The name, age, and fact that he lives with an adult when he's like 20.
First thing, pick up a comic book. When Dick Grayson was orphaned in
Batman: Year 3 and in
Dark Victory he was a boy. Much smaller than Batman, Tim Sale even described him as "impish". Hardly a 20 year old man, not requiring a house and guidance as in
Batman Forever. The
real Dick Grayson is about 13. He trains under Batman's watch until he is about 15 and is Robin. He is not a 20-22 year old man.
This is just like Two-Face is not a comedian, as seen in
Batman Forever. He is a cold blooded killer and a well-to-do man. He is split between his sense of justice and his inability to dispense justice fairly. In the '95 film they got this wrong. Just like they did with Dick Grayson/Robin. So you're saying that if Nolan makes Two-face more ruthless and grotesque and more "comic accurate" people will forgive
Batman Forever? Why not if they made Dick Grayson/Robin more accurate would we not do the same? You clearly don't understand the actual character, hell you think he's 20 years old, maybe other people are as misguided and Nolan can rectify this and show the world the character that has thrived
just as long as Batman has.
Therefore use Tim Drake. It'd be no different then what was done with Penguin. In the comics he was a mob boss, and in Returns he was a mob boss of a circus gang. See, both are mob bosses in a sense, and it worked. Therefore bring on Tim Drake.
It would be
completely different. And another thing, there is a
huge base of fans that
hate what Tim Burton did to the Penguin. Yet, if you simply changed Dick Grayson/ Jason Todd's story with Tim Drake, that is a complete bastardization of the character. Tim Drake was not an orphan when he became Robin (he is now after the events of
Identity Crises but still, he has a stepmother, Dana) he was not a product of tragedy. He was a good-willed boy who wanted to help the Dark Knight and the world. That's his appeal. He is a
true hero. He puts his life on the line to help people. He has no vendetta, no vow and no inner guilt that makes him do what he does. He helps because he wants to, because he thinks he can. That is his appeal and motivation. If you can't see the difference between the three Robins then, again, you severely underestimate the characters and need to open a comic book with them in it.
Maybe Batman could inadvertantly orphan Tim Drake, like drag a battle between himself and the "freaks" into Drake's neighborhood. So Bruce adopts Tim because he feels responsible for the situation.
Again, Tim is
not an orphan. Batman could maybe do this to Jason Todd. He couldn't do this with Dick Grayson, because the "circus death" background accounts for all of his training and why he can step into the role of Robin with only about a year of training.
But I liked the DV story for Robin a hell of a lot better.
Wait, you liked the
Dark Victory origin of Robin better than the
Batman Forever origin? You just made my point for me. If you liked it done right in the comics, with a kid of the appropriate age, what's stopping you and the rest of the audience liking it done in a third Nolan film with an actor of the right age and done in the same vein of
Dark Victory and not like
Batman Forever, much how Two-face will be handled?
I'd love to see Freeze have a role in BB3 like he did in DV. No origin, just there helping out Two-Face:
Freeze: "Have you ever been in love?"
Two-Face: "What's that got to do with it?!"
Freeze: "When dealing with me, it means everything."
^With lines like that to hint at his motivation.
I like the exchange, and wouldn't mind Mr. Freeze, but do you think Nolan, a guy who needed to explain the utility belt, cape, suit, cowl, gloves, gauntlets, Batmobile, Batcave, Batcave elevator, so on and so forth, will have a guy
freezing people without an explanation?
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