After seeing FF:ROTSS, Do you think Tim Story deserves to do FF3?

[JP]

Omg JP you've got to give me a link to the thread in which your quote originated. I haven't laughed that long in days

The Soul-Glo Lounge.

 

[flash13]

Tim Story should direct it like Ash Talon said he is willing to listen to fans and try to fix what they don't like in the next movie. plus he reads stuff on this message board.

 

[teh Puffy]

Story should. I think it could use a little stronger writing outside of that everything is coming to be in good shape. Thats my opinon. He shouldnt listen to fans. Look what happened to SM3. The guys there listened, and had a bunch of crap thrown down there throats cause the large amount of time that could of been made for each character.

Story for three, build on what hes created. Get a good solid doom out of this, with a longer battle will be even better. I want to see the full wrath of DOOM FOR LIKE 20 Minutes...Not about five minutes of doom. Hell Drag the fight scenes for a long time and Fan boys cry about it being too long and it would be fine by me.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Sure why not? If wanrs to come back for a third let him.

 

[Inhuman63]

To make the trilogy complete and consistent, I would like Tim to stay. I don't think he's the best director for the franchise, but he seems to be improving with each film. If they decide to do 4 movies, maybe get a new creative team. FF2 really was a self contained story, and didn't hint at a sequel (besides a SS film)

For some reason I thought that it hinted at the Moleman at the end.

 

[hlbimage]

I say yes for a third serving. But no Dr. Doom, ok? He's becoming the Shredder of the FF now. The villain that won't die or go away. But bring back that military chick Beau Garrett/Captain Raye though, she's hot. At least she got a brain rather that actress Maria Menounos who got no brain playing a brainless from the first movie.

 

[Inhuman63]

I believe that Tim should be the director for the 3rd film because he has totally upped his game with this one. On the first film, I believed he was totally constrained in what he was able to accomplish. He had very little input and was just able to make the movie based on what he was handed by Fox. In this one, he was there from inception and it showed. True, his action sequences tend to be short but in this film, I think that it worked due to the threat that was being handled. Also Doom was not familiar with the Power Cosmic so his use of it was very limited but if Reed had not discovered a way to seperate that power from him, he would have bested the Torch in the long run. Due to the imminent threat of the destruction of the planet that was occuring, that sequence, although sweet had to be brief for the film.

Also, I enjoy his take on the FF and the way that he has made it more of a comic book movie than an exploration of the mind or society's prejudices but left enough in there that is gives you something to think about. During the climax the SS attempted to help due to one main reason and a choice that was made, and I think that is what this movie was about, choices, for good or for ill and it resonates through various characters throughout the movie. Simplistic but effective to me.

In addition, I would like to see him complete Doom's arc so that he is closer to his comic counterpart. I see it happening and the set up that is there for it.

So yes, I want him for the third one and if they make more than 3, then they can hand it off to a another director and then we can go into the more emotional complex stories of the FF. The birth of Franklin, the shutting down of his brain, the seperation etc. Those emotional stories will make for darker movies because they effect the four at the core of their being, the family dynamic. Not saying that Tim can't handle it but another director at that point may be better since I think he would probably be facing burn out with this franchise by the time those stories are made.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

You know, I voted no, but having seen it now, I'd like to say that the improvement between 1 and 2 indicates that, if that improvement were to continue at that rate, and the obvious willingness to listen to fans about what has sucked in previous films were to continue, a third film would probably be at least up to par for the F4 or quite possibly a huge acheivement of excellence.

I'd like to say that, but the problem is that I don't know how much power he has.

If there are glaring problems with the plot or script, someone like George Lucas, Steven Spielberg or Sam Raimi will CALL for the changes.

If Story SAW all the plainly lame problems with the story.....the preposterous PrePOSTEROUS resolution of the threat of Gailactus (uh...just have SS (who GOT his power FROM Gailactus, fly up to him, crouch into a little ball and....make him disappear?!?!?!?!?!?), the prePOSTEROUS catalyst for the change in SS (he, uh...just never stopped to think that there are BILLIONS of people in love on the planet? So, he gets tortured, meets a nice lady, and decides to throw his whole life away and save the world?!?!?!?), the freaking CRIMINAL underuse of the Thing....and the COMPLETELY tacked on, substanceless CAMEO by the insanely miscast Dr. Von Wuss.....and if he saw all of those MISERABLE takes, where the acting would fly spastically from REALLY good, to okay, to highschool PLAY or WORSE and then back to excellent...destroying all sense of continuity and eroding his credibility as someone who knows a good take when he sees one..........

Well, I guess I'll have to stay with my No vote actually.

AND, OOooh, he's REALLY, REALLY improved, and learned SO much!





Um, what are WE, his Momma?!
These movies aren't supposed to be some early term, mid-term and finals at film school for Tim Story, to track his progess from novice, to intermediate, to advanced!
I'm glad he's LEARNING his craft.
But a franchise as huge as F4 shouldn't be some charity case...."Aw, let's give the kid a Shot. . I gotta hunch it'll be a great stepping stone so he can move on to really great acheivements someday!"

No.
A F4 trilogy shouldn't be:

1. Utter Crap
2. Way, WAy less fetid crap with a handful of vindications marred by colossal missteps
3. Really Really good.


It should be:

1. Amazing
2. Freaking Amazing
3. OMG, I fainted in the theater because my brain couldn't handle how amazing it was. Let's go buy tickets for the next show.

 

[punisher14]

i don't want Story to direct a third film. they should hire a better director, but as long as we get a silver surfer spinoff with the real galactus i'll be happy

 

[chamber-music]

I say yes after Tim has directed The Losers film. He will have a bit more experience then and it could help with the third movie.

 

[HoratioRome]

You know, I voted no, but having seen it now, I'd like to say that the improvement between 1 and 2 indicates that, if that improvement were to continue at that rate, and the obvious willingness to listen to fans about what has sucked in previous films were to continue, a third film would probably be at least up to par for the F4 or quite possibly a huge acheivement of excellence.

I'd like to say that, but the problem is that I don't know how much power he has.

If there are glaring problems with the plot or script, someone like George Lucas, Steven Spielberg or Sam Raimi will CALL for the changes.

If Story SAW all the plainly lame problems with the story.....the preposterous PrePOSTEROUS resolution of the threat of Gailactus (uh...just have SS (who GOT his power FROM Gailactus, fly up to him, crouch into a little ball and....make him disappear?!?!?!?!?!?), the prePOSTEROUS catalyst for the change in SS (he, uh...just never stopped to think that there are BILLIONS of people in love on the planet? So, he gets tortured, meets a nice lady, and decides to throw his whole life away and save the world?!?!?!?), the freaking CRIMINAL underuse of the Thing....and the COMPLETELY tacked on, substanceless CAMEO by the insanely miscast Dr. Von Wuss.....and if he saw all of those MISERABLE takes, where the acting would fly spastically from REALLY good, to okay, to highschool PLAY or WORSE and then back to excellent...destroying all sense of continuity and eroding his credibility as someone who knows a good take when he sees one..........

Well, I guess I'll have to stay with my No vote actually.

AND, OOooh, he's REALLY, REALLY improved, and learned SO much!





Um, what are WE, his Momma?!
These movies aren't supposed to be some early term, mid-term and finals at film school for Tim Story, to track his progess from novice, to intermediate, to advanced!
I'm glad he's LEARNING his craft.
But a franchise as huge as F4 shouldn't be some charity case...."Aw, let's give the kid a Shot. . I gotta hunch it'll be a great stepping stone so he can move on to really great acheivements someday!"

No.
A F4 trilogy shouldn't be:

1. Utter Crap
2. Way, WAy less fetid crap with a handful of vindications marred by colossal missteps
3. Really Really good.


It should be:

1. Amazing
2. Freaking Amazing
3. OMG, I fainted in the theater because my brain couldn't handle how amazing it was. Let's go buy tickets for the next show.

well said.

the problem is that we fans usually get a sense of euphoria after seeing a superhero that didn't "suck".
We want to love the movies so desperately that we end up praising it and loving it (at least in the beginning), if it's not blatantly bad.
Look I agree that FF2 was pretty good. It is certainly better than FF1.
but the question remains, should Tim's "growth" come at the expense of the Fantastic Four franchise?
I know most will not be able to see this because the movie was good, but the truth of the matter is that this movie could and should have been MUCH better.
there are so many mediocre moments that could/should have been punched up.

starting with the very beginning. The scene of a "Galactus" devouring a planet should have been so much more powerful and ominous. Think about how adding a mother grasping her child as the end comes would have impacted that scene. for example

oh well, the problem is we will never know

 

[Kmack]

You know, I voted no, but having seen it now, I'd like to say that the improvement between 1 and 2 indicates that, if that improvement were to continue at that rate, and the obvious willingness to listen to fans about what has sucked in previous films were to continue, a third film would probably be at least up to par for the F4 or quite possibly a huge acheivement of excellence.

I'd like to say that, but the problem is that I don't know how much power he has.

If there are glaring problems with the plot or script, someone like George Lucas, Steven Spielberg or Sam Raimi will CALL for the changes.

If Story SAW all the plainly lame problems with the story.....the preposterous PrePOSTEROUS resolution of the threat of Gailactus (uh...just have SS (who GOT his power FROM Gailactus, fly up to him, crouch into a little ball and....make him disappear?!?!?!?!?!?), the prePOSTEROUS catalyst for the change in SS (he, uh...just never stopped to think that there are BILLIONS of people in love on the planet? So, he gets tortured, meets a nice lady, and decides to throw his whole life away and save the world?!?!?!?), the freaking CRIMINAL underuse of the Thing....and the COMPLETELY tacked on, substanceless CAMEO by the insanely miscast Dr. Von Wuss.....and if he saw all of those MISERABLE takes, where the acting would fly spastically from REALLY good, to okay, to highschool PLAY or WORSE and then back to excellent...destroying all sense of continuity and eroding his credibility as someone who knows a good take when he sees one..........

Well, I guess I'll have to stay with my No vote actually.

AND, OOooh, he's REALLY, REALLY improved, and learned SO much!





Um, what are WE, his Momma?!
These movies aren't supposed to be some early term, mid-term and finals at film school for Tim Story, to track his progess from novice, to intermediate, to advanced!
I'm glad he's LEARNING his craft.
But a franchise as huge as F4 shouldn't be some charity case...."Aw, let's give the kid a Shot. . I gotta hunch it'll be a great stepping stone so he can move on to really great acheivements someday!"

No.
A F4 trilogy shouldn't be:

1. Utter Crap
2. Way, WAy less fetid crap with a handful of vindications marred by colossal missteps
3. Really Really good.


It should be:

1. Amazing
2. Freaking Amazing
3. OMG, I fainted in the theater because my brain couldn't handle how amazing it was. Let's go buy tickets for the next show.

OMG the best post in this entire thread. You took the words right out of my mouth

 

[Spider-Fan]

You know, I voted no, but having seen it now, I'd like to say that the improvement between 1 and 2 indicates that, if that improvement were to continue at that rate, and the obvious willingness to listen to fans about what has sucked in previous films were to continue, a third film would probably be at least up to par for the F4 or quite possibly a huge acheivement of excellence.

I'd like to say that, but the problem is that I don't know how much power he has.

If there are glaring problems with the plot or script, someone like George Lucas, Steven Spielberg or Sam Raimi will CALL for the changes.

If Story SAW all the plainly lame problems with the story.....the preposterous PrePOSTEROUS resolution of the threat of Gailactus (uh...just have SS (who GOT his power FROM Gailactus, fly up to him, crouch into a little ball and....make him disappear?!?!?!?!?!?), the prePOSTEROUS catalyst for the change in SS (he, uh...just never stopped to think that there are BILLIONS of people in love on the planet? So, he gets tortured, meets a nice lady, and decides to throw his whole life away and save the world?!?!?!?), the freaking CRIMINAL underuse of the Thing....and the COMPLETELY tacked on, substanceless CAMEO by the insanely miscast Dr. Von Wuss.....and if he saw all of those MISERABLE takes, where the acting would fly spastically from REALLY good, to okay, to highschool PLAY or WORSE and then back to excellent...destroying all sense of continuity and eroding his credibility as someone who knows a good take when he sees one..........

Well, I guess I'll have to stay with my No vote actually.

AND, OOooh, he's REALLY, REALLY improved, and learned SO much!





Um, what are WE, his Momma?!
These movies aren't supposed to be some early term, mid-term and finals at film school for Tim Story, to track his progess from novice, to intermediate, to advanced!
I'm glad he's LEARNING his craft.
But a franchise as huge as F4 shouldn't be some charity case...."Aw, let's give the kid a Shot. . I gotta hunch it'll be a great stepping stone so he can move on to really great acheivements someday!"

No.
A F4 trilogy shouldn't be:

1. Utter Crap
2. Way, WAy less fetid crap with a handful of vindications marred by colossal missteps
3. Really Really good.


It should be:

1. Amazing
2. Freaking Amazing
3. OMG, I fainted in the theater because my brain couldn't handle how amazing it was. Let's go buy tickets for the next show.

Well, with third movies realistically, we never get that fainted effect, but I agree that we shouldn't have to get mediocre or poor first installments all the time and wait for sequels to get good movies. This whole origin movies can't suck, or now we got that out of the way mentality is a bad one to have.

STRIVE FOR PERFECTION EVERYTIME, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!

 

[blind_fury]

Just saw the movie.

Story stepped up his game big time.

FF2 isn't just slightly better than FF1, it's a far superior film. Anybody who denies this is just hating because he has a bad reputation. FF1 is one of the worst Marvel movies. FF2 is one of the best Marvel movies. Tim Story delivered. Give the man some credit.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Just saw the movie.

Story stepped up his game big time.

FF2 isn't just slightly better than FF1, it's a far superior film. Anybody who denies this is just hating because he has a bad reputation. FF1 is one of the worst Marvel movies. FF2 is one of the best Marvel movies. Tim Story delivered. Give the man some credit.

He deserves a lot of credit. This was a really good movie. My point is it still has some of the first movie's flaws (particularly the weak ways in which Doom is defeated).

 

[Casius--J]

Much better than the first one by far, so yes I would like to see Story return with a lot more control over the production!

 

[Nokio]

I liked Ioan, Chris and Mike. I hate Alba beyond words. I really really hate Julian. Doug was amazing. Clearly, the biggest problem is story ... and that cannot be blamed on Tim. Fox wants a movie aimed at kids and ok's the script. I think the movie looked fine. I think the dialogue was poor at times. I think everything Doom did and said was horrible. I think Alba is so unbelievable in her role it takes me completely out of the film. Same with Julian.

Can't agree with you on Julian. He's a good actor, but he did what he could with the part. I blame FOX for trying to cram him in there with SS. Doom shouldn't have been in the film. If they were going to mesh two storylines(You'd think FOX would've learned when they pulled that with X3) then the film should've been longer. Doom barly had any screen time.

Alba is terriable period for Sue. I like her, but she was so off in this film is was laughable. The 1st film I complained, but then warmed uped to her, but this second one and with that terriable make up and overly loud blue contacts she was just a distraction. If she kept the same look as in the first one, then I wouldn't have been so bothered, but ALBA is just not white with blue eyes and blonde hair. The make up dept should have even tried to take her look that close. As i've said she looked good in the 1st one.

 

[Carp Man]

Glad to see the majority are supporting him. Anyone who has seen the movie, and still votes no has issues with either the FF, or Story, or has a hidden agenda. I told everyone who was calling for his head on a silver platter after the 1st one, give him another chance. He walked into a no win situation, and did the best with what he was given. This time he was in on it from the begining, and we have seen the results. A superior, well done, not perfect movie. 2 huge thumbs up for Payne and Story. t: Well done guys. Tweek it a bit more for the 3rd, and you'll have another winner.

 

[DACrowe]

I voted no.

Simply because the man doesn't know how to sustain pace in his movie. Sure the writers and editor can be blamed too but SS had no suspense until the end. He also still shoots most of the FF scenes like a sitcom, robbing it of any heart, soul or humanity. Only two scenes had any emotion, IMO in the sequel. Sure that's two more than the first....

and his compositions are still bland and lacks any sort of style or finesse (unlike other directors and DOPs on these movies). And I'm still not cinvinced the man can convince action very well. the best action sequences in FF2 were mosstly CGI. While the ferris wheel and forest scenes were quite dull and uninspired.

I mean might as well let him finish out, he did better than Ratner, but still.

 

[Doctor of Doom]

I wouldn't mind seeing Doom return in some capacity. As said above, he's so close we may as well complete the arc. I was against him being in FF2 but he ended up being fifty times better than I hoped. So if we can bring Doom to Lord of Latveria in the third movie, everything is perfectly set up and it ends in a nice way for all future movies, where he can be full comic-Doom.

Plus I think it's a given that Sue'll discover she's pregnant either at the start or end of FF3.

 

[flash13]

Just saw the movie.

Story stepped up his game big time.

FF2 isn't just slightly better than FF1, it's a far superior film. Anybody who denies this is just hating because he has a bad reputation. FF1 is one of the worst Marvel movies. FF2 is one of the best Marvel movies. Tim Story delivered. Give the man some credit.

i agree with you except about FF1 wich i thought was okay definently better than

• X-Men III The Last Stand

• Spider-Man
• Daredevil
• Elektra

FF2 was better than all Marvel movies except for maybe Spider-Man 2 and X-Men 2

 

[Fanticon]

I think Tim is on the right track...he's making the FF movies family friendly, and he added plenty in there for fans...but he also left more important details out...but the scope was bigger, the tone of the films is pretty clear...I say why not?...hopefully Story, cast, crew and co will comeback and make a third movie.

 

[Delerium]

Both installments have been critical messes. I can't see how any fan could support these films knowing how much damage both Story and FOX are doing to these iconic characters.

If I was a Fantastic Four fan I'd be outraged.

 

[Sentinel X]

I dont see how FF2 is a critical mess...I think was great. It was better than SM3 imo. I loved it...sooo much better than the first one by miles. I think Tim Story deserves to do FF3 because he has actually imporved...by a lot. He has shown that he actually learns from his mistakes. FF2 was awesome and hopefully FF3 will be even better, I vote

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Story seems like a competent director to ME.

My only real problem with the FF franchise is Fox's stinginess, and the way the villains are mishandled...

The directing is fine, imo.