Age of Ultron Age of Ultron SPOILER thread, DO NOT enter if you don't want to be spoiled!!! - Part 4

[Mjölnir]

The fact that this even happens during credits in relation to this story(Fine Ill do it myself..Suggest since Ultron failed) does that suggest that Thanos was behind Ultron in some way?

I take it as he has made subtle actions and predictions to get the infinity gems where he wants them, but he has apparently underestimated the actions of the heroes in the MCU so now he puts the elegant, subtle plan aside and will just go take them himself.

I'm not sure he's behind Ultron, but I think he might have predicted that something would happen since he's obviously very aware of that the mind gem was on Earth, seeing how he gave it to Loki, and what it can do.

 

[HelloImBen]

I had no problems with Ultron at all. I actually hope to see more of him soon. That movie didn't feel like enough of Ultron for me. Not even close.

His last scene with Vision wasn't a death scene either, at least it didn't seem like it to me. He's somewhere out there.

It was absolutely a death scene. the lines

Vision-You're afraid

Ultron--Of you...

Vision--Of death

I think says that.

But I agree I actually thought Ultron and Spader's performance was the absolute highlight for me. We didn't get enough of him, and I thought he was too easily defeated (this seems to be a problem in almost every comic book movie), but the performance and character were captivating.

 

[Hmarrs]

Tony and Bruce were attempting the interface before the party. Jarvis then offers to continue running tests and simulations during the party, and happens upon a successful test. That's when Ultron is born. When I watched it again last night I was looking for any indication of Thanos' influence, and didn't really see anything.

So you were having the same idea I had?

The glove Thanos takes during the end credit scene has no gems in it at all.

Really???...Wow Are you sure?...Did I just assume then?..And if so why would he say that not having any Gems?..(Not being Sarcastic I'm serious)..I have to see it again.

 

[DrCosmic]

It's a bit of a downgrade but then I think it always is when the Avengers

Spoiler

doesn't have the big three in play.

. It works though because Civil War is up next.

I don't think of it as a downgrade so much because it's a military team, I think of it as more specialized. While they may not be able to hold back an Ultron army, they would have infiltrated Strucker's whole operation in minutes. IT's a team that an't e turned against each other, because they're all used to following orders, with Scarlet Witch being the only exception.

Nah, I see it this way:

A supersoldier
A faux Iron Man (without Stark's mega ego)
A super-assassin
An android Thor as good as acknowledged as his equal (coupled with one of 6 most powerful relics of the damn universe)
An all-rounded witch whose abilities are so ill-defined within the MCU it's awesome
A human quinjet who can compensate for some of the team members' lack of maneuverability

It's the Avengers, but more black ops.
Cap is Cap
Widow is Widow
War Machine is a more tactical, less deus-ex-y Iron Man
Falcon is a more aerial, less range-y Hawkeye
Vision is a robotic Thor
And Scarlet Witch is an unpredictable powerhouse. Like the Hulk, but less hands on and more mindscrew.

They absolutely could've won the Battle of New York. It's not a showy team, or even a hard hitting team, but their ability to move and act surgically suits Captain America perfectly.

 

[hafizbat]

I don't think of it as a downgrade so much because it's a military team, I think of it as more specialized. While they may not be able to hold back an Ultron army, they would have infiltrated Strucker's whole operation in minutes. IT's a team that an't e turned against each other, because they're all used to following orders, with Scarlet Witch being the only exception.



It's the Avengers, but more black ops.
Cap is Cap
Widow is Widow
War Machine is a more tactical, less deus-ex-y Iron Man
Falcon is a more aerial, less range-y Hawkeye
Vision is a robotic Thor
And Scarlet Witch is an unpredictable powerhouse. Like the Hulk, but less hands on and more mindscrew.

They absolutely could've won the Battle of New York. It's not a showy team, or even a hard hitting team, but their ability to move and act surgically suits Captain America perfectly.

Great post. Can't wait to see what the new kids can do.

 

[Tony Stark]

No Thanos' gauntlet doesn't have any gems. And Feige says there are two gauntlets with one on Asgard (shown in Thor 1) We don't know where the soul and time gems are, but as of current through AoU:

Tesseract - space gem - in the Vault on Asgard
Aether - reality gem - in Knowhere in the wreckage of the Collectors museum
Orb - power gem - on Xandar in the Nova Corps vault
Scepter - mind gem - implanted in The Vision on Earth.

Speculation on my part, but I think the soul gem will be in Dr. Strange, and possibly connected to the dark dimension and Dormmamu if they make him a villain.

The time gem I think the next most logical film will be Captain Marvel, or possibly Inhumans.

 

[Hmarrs]

My issue was there were just to many plot holes and too many assumptions and things just assumed.I think that if you are not a Comic Aficionado your completely lost.Then the Core Plot always feels rushed to me.

I had to research. Its also not like any of these Plot Holes are ever addressed.
Things that could be elaborated on are never acknowledged.
Avengers 1:how could Stark not inquire Cap questions on his Dad or even mentioned?

How the team came together because of Coulson felt emotionless to me as did Quicksilver's death they almost have no purpose and could have done without it.

Millions of innocent lives should have been enough.Loki no threat just entertaining.

Age Of Ultron.

Ultrons development seemed rushed to me.No theat.Was there Potential yes.
Natashia and Bruce??/since when since where???

So many missed potentials No real explanations of the Gems so much bone and were chewing on tendons of what can easily span extra 2-3 movies or thicken other stories of other films.

Eye candy amazing action amazing I just have an issue with some of the story telling because its not like the source material is not there so use it.

I keep hoping each film will bridge those gaps so hopfully in IW 1& 2

 

[cph9fa]

I definitely believe that Ultron's creation was largely due to some type of Trojan Horse virus that Thanos implanted in the scepter/mind-stone. To me, it seemed like it was strongly hinted at several times throughout the film. It was Thanos' backup plan to destroy Earth and get the Mind Stone back, in case Loki failed him.

 

[drod1985]

So you were having the same idea I had?

Nope, but my buddy and I were having a debate on this very topic, and he thought Thanos may have had some influence. We settled the debate by seeing AOU again.

Really???...Wow Are you sure?...Did I just assume then?..And if so why would he say that not having any Gems?..(Not being Sarcastic I'm serious)..I have to see it again.

He was saying "I guess I'll have to do it myself." - "Do it" meaning collect the Infinity Stones. Loki had failed him. Thanos had failed him. Malekith awoke and then lost to The Collector. Things haven't been going Thanos' way.

 

[Milla4Prez66]

Great post. Can't wait to see what the new kids can do.

I doubt we'll see much. They will probably open CW as the main Avengers team but everyone splits up following the events that perspire and the movie will likely end with another new lineup, or even perhaps Cap leading his own Secret Avengers team while Stark sets up a more official government operated Avengers squad.

 

[Hmarrs]

I definitely believe that Ultron's creation was largely due to some type of Trojan Horse virus that Thanos implanted in the scepter/mind-stone. To me, it seemed like it was strongly hinted at several times throughout the film. It was Thanos' backup plan to destroy Earth and get the Mind Stone back, in case Loki failed him.

I see but what Trojan Horse and how could he have known about an Ultron to have put an anticipated Trojan Horse?

Nope, but my buddy and I were having a debate on this very topic, and he thought Thanos may have had some influence. We settled the debate by seeing AOU again.

I see.What do you think about what "cph9fa" had to say in his quote?
While I'm inclined to believe Thanos had something to do with it I still have my questions so I'm stuck.

 

[kane9321]

I loved the this movie..it was incredible...
wakanda...vibranium ..klaw..BLACK PANTHER HURRY UP
Scarlet Witch stole the show for me,,,simply badass

 

[jaqua99]

I had no problems with Ultron at all. I actually hope to see more of him soon. That movie didn't feel like enough of Ultron for me. Not even close.

His last scene with Vision wasn't a death scene either, at least it didn't seem like it to me. He's somewhere out there.

yeah, the whole cinematography felt like "defeated" not "death"

 

[jaqua99]

Can someone give me a rundown of each stone or even a recomended story arc to read involving all the stones

I was in my comic book store earlier today and I was hoping to find something similar to what SuperSanchez is asking so please, can anyone suggest which comic and story arc that involves the stones?

Thanos quest part 1 & 2

Infinity Gauntlet 1-6

 

[ShadowBoxer]

My friend just mentioned a possible easter egg. The barrels of toxic chemicals in Klaw's facility looked like the same chemical barrels that are in the Netflix Daredevil show. I seen the movie twice and when I think about it those barrels did look sorta familiar but it's probably nothing. But it would be awesome if it was indeed the same chemical that affected Matt in Daredevil.

 

[Slushy]

The fact that this even happens during credits in relation to this story(Fine Ill do it myself..Suggest since Ultron failed) does that suggest that Thanos was behind Ultron in some way?

No connection. I think it just picks up where Guardians Of The Galaxy left off. He lost the Mind Gem and failed to get the Space and Power Gems. Enough was enough!

He was saying "I guess I'll have to do it myself." - "Do it" meaning collect the Infinity Stones. Loki had failed him. Ronan had failed him. Malekith awoke and then lost to The Collector. Things haven't been going Thanos' way.

I fixed it for you.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I also believe Ultron failed Thanos. As it's hinted that maybe Thano's had a had in the creation of Ultron.

 

[jaqua99]

No connection. I think it just picks up where Guardians Of The Galaxy left off. He lost the Mind Gem and failed to get the Space and Power Gems. Enough was enough!



I fixed it for you.

I'm thinking he knew what happened on Earth. He has to, there is a gem there. HIS gem. I think his decision to do it himself is a culmination of what you said, however the people of earth ended up using the Infinity Stone and a new being was created from it and now is protecting it. It can't be retrieved by anyone.

My opinion differs from everyone's. I think Thanos' words were in response to the creation of the vision.

I also think Vision is going to be prophetic. He's going to be the current tie the avengers have to the cosmic side of the MCU oddly enough (with Thor gone)

 

[Legendver2]

I was pretty disappointed to find out that scene in the SDCC trailers of the fallen Avengers was just an illusion...-_-

That scene alone in the trailer gave me a real sense of danger from Ultron, but it was the complete opposite on film

 

[PunyGod]

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[ciscostudent561]

My issue was there were just to many plot holes and too many assumptions and things just assumed.I think that if you are not a Comic Aficionado your completely lost.Then the Core Plot always feels rushed to me.

I had to research. Its also not like any of these Plot Holes are ever addressed.
Things that could be elaborated on are never acknowledged.
Avengers 1:how could Stark not inquire Cap questions on his Dad or even mentioned?

How the team came together because of Coulson felt emotionless to me as did Quicksilver's death they almost have no purpose and could have done without it.

Millions of innocent lives should have been enough.Loki no threat just entertaining.

Age Of Ultron.

Ultrons development seemed rushed to me.No theat.Was there Potential yes.
Natashia and Bruce??/since when since where???

So many missed potentials No real explanations of the Gems so much bone and were chewing on tendons of what can easily span extra 2-3 movies or thicken other stories of other films.

Eye candy amazing action amazing I just have an issue with some of the story telling because its not like the source material is not there so use it.

I keep hoping each film will bridge those gaps so hopfully in IW 1& 2

well said. loved the movie but there was obvious plot holes.

 

[Marchesk]

Why would you think its real? If it wasn't an illusion it would have been something that's fixed with time travel.

Which would have made Ultron a truly threatening villain - one who could actually defeat the defenders, as opposed to one who kept having his plans thwarted. The Ultron in the previews was a lot more menacing. The Ultron in the movie was a conflicted, funny character who wasn't all that scary or hard to defeat.

The Scarlet Witch had the Avengers shook up after one encounter, and they had to retreat into hiding. Ultron had them motivated to go find him and kick ass.

 

[cph9fa]

I see but what Trojan Horse and how could he have known about an Ultron to have put an anticipated Trojan Horse

He wouldn't have known about Tony's Ultron specifically, but he'd be able to assume that if the scepter ended up on Earth, someone there would try to crack its secrets, like they tried to do with the Tesseract. I can see how that might come off as a bit Independance-Day-esque ("upload a virus to the mothership!") but at least they had a science-bro montage showing how difficult it was to interface the systems, followed by JARVIS finally cracking the code (not to mention, Hydra's top scientists being unsuccessful in interfacing with it).

BTW, anyone reminded of Killian's holographic projection of the human mind, while watching Tony's holographic projection of JARVIS and Ultron?

 

[Tony Stark]

Who kept having his plans thwarted? He got the vibranium, he got to Dr. Cho, he built his machine. The only time his plans were thwarted was when the Avengers intercepted the cradle. He captured Black Widow in return.

 

[Marchesk]

Who kept having his plans thwarted? He got the vibranium, he got to Dr. Cho, he built his machine. The only time his plans were thwarted was when the Avengers intercepted the cradle. He captured Black Widow in return.

That was a pretty big thwarting though. He loses the body which would really give the Avengers trouble, and they get a super powerful ally out of it. And there's also SW and QS turning on him. They were quite useful allies.

The result is that Ultron is massively outgunned.