Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 10

[kosh33]

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[Human Torch]

Frankly,I'd rather they didn't add Tripplett to the team.It's a fairly close knit group,who (given recent circumstances) doesn't even trust each other implicitly anymore.It makes little sense to me that they just welcome him in on little more to go on than Simmons spending a few hours with him in a lab.

 

[JC00]

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I really hope they didn't go the "Ward beats the lie detector by lying" route.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope Ward isn't simply a storyline like Angel as Angelus in Buffy where he was evil and the villain for a while, but eventually restored. I prefer for Ward to simply remain as a villain.

 

[AquamanOS]

Frankly,I'd rather they didn't add Tripplett to the team.It's a fairly close knit group,who (given recent circumstances) doesn't even trust each other implicitly anymore.It makes little sense to me that they just welcome him in on little more to go on than Simmons spending a few hours with him in a lab.

Well they didn't. Coulson wanted nothing to do with him and told him to take one of Hand's planes and get lost. Simmons basically had to twist his arm to let Trip stay. And even then he said one slip up and Trip's gone and it's on Simmons's head if that happens.

Obviously if he's a permanent joiner then they'll have him prove himself before trusting him.

 

[Pond]

I hope Ward isn't simply a storyline like Angel as Angelus in Buffy where he was evil and the villain for a while, but eventually restored. I prefer for Ward to simply remain as a villain.

Angel lost his soul. You just had to put it back. Aint the same thing. And even then forgiveness didnt come that easy, nor that quickly nor cheap.

But i still think redeeming him makes for better, and more challenging tv than getting rid of him. Dont get me wrong. Dont make him a goodie goodie again. But making him a complicated human being with complicated motivations that would have some rediming qualities? Somebody more ambiguous that could somehow earn if not forgiveness, a second chance, even if it takes another season? Hell, yeah. Beats "Skye and Coulson killed a bad badie very bad man traitor" any day of the week in my book.

Whedons bad people turned not good but to the good side kinda are some of the most interesting characters ever.

 

[Dark Raven]

Angel lost his soul. You just had to put it back. Aint the same thing. And even then forgiveness didnt come that easy, nor that quickly nor cheap.

But i still think redeeming him makes for better, and more challenging tv than getting rid of him. Dont get me wrong. Dont make him a goodie goodie again. But making him a complicated human being with complicated motivations that would have some rediming qualities? Somebody more ambiguous that could somehow earn if not forgiveness, a second chance, even if it takes another season? Hell, yeah. Beats "Skye and Coulson killed a bad badie very bad man traitor" any day of the week in my book.

Whedons bad people turned not good but to the good side kinda are some of the most interesting characters ever.

I never said to get rid of him though. I prefer him just to remain a villain and stick around to cause trouble and be a constant thorn in their side.

 

[Pond]

I never said to get rid of him though. I prefer him just to remain a villain and stick around to cause trouble and be a constant thorn in their side.

I like that option too.

I just think "Ward must die" is fine and all, but it would be a waste of so many oportunities. Or at least things i would love to see.

And yeah, i confess, im one of the two or three people in the world (we´ll rise some day, even if it takes 7 decades to Hail Ward) that actually liked both the actor and the character before and after, and never tought he was bland. So i would miss him next year.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I really hope they didn't go the "Ward beats the lie detector by lying" route.

He's gonna wait until last, then shoot everyone in the room.

Fresh cast next year!

 

[Vartha]

He's gonna wait until last, then shoot everyone in the room.

Fresh cast next year!

....not before Mikelok does

 

[Vartha]

The Wallpaper of the Bus' cockpit screens so far

 

[Loki882]

He's a fantastic liar, given how effortlessly he played the entire team. I can see him beating a lie detector test. BTW, the fact that they didn't definitely answer whether or not Black Widow beat the test, makes me think that she probably did.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't think ward can be redeemed like angel or spike... You feel sorta like they're victims due to the vampire affliction.... Ward is just simply bad and made the choice to be. Killing people in cold blood....

Hell there's a chance his name isn't even ward....

 

[ctsketch]

If he dies tragically while trying to redeem himself, maybe not this season but another, I think that would be the best end. I don't see them ever truly trusting him again

 

[SHIELDtv]

He's a fantastic liar, given how effortlessly he played the entire team. I can see him beating a lie detector test. BTW, the fact that they didn't definitely answer whether or not Black Widow beat the test, makes me think that she probably did.

IS he just bad though? Or might he be brainwashed? If he is, and he's beyond redemption.. where does that put Hawkeye?

 

[Donut]

IS he just bad though? Or might he be brainwashed? If he is, and he's beyond redemption.. where does that put Hawkeye?

Nick Fury is an eye witness of Hawkeyes brainwashing. Can Ward even be trusted if thats what he says ?

 

[Dark Raven]

If Ward has the best scores since Black Widow, he should be able to beat a lie detector. And even if he didn't have the best scores, other people have been able to beat these tests before.

 

[NJCaliboi]

I never said to get rid of him though. I prefer him just to remain a villain and stick around to cause trouble and be a constant thorn in their side.

I agree with u! Reforming him and making him see the error of his ways would seem like a total cop out- never-mind all the people he's already murdered. If ur going to 'turn' him good then there needs to be accountability for the blood on his hands.

I would appreciate it more if they keep him as is. He has the potential to be a formidable villian. He has all the intel on his former team and they have all the motivation to take him dwn- it's personal! That dynamic makes my mouth water. Unlike so many other villians the audience actually has an emotional investment with him. So much potential for a great tv villain!

 

[Pond]

I agree with u! Reforming him and making him see the error of his ways would seem like a total cop out- never-mind all the people he's already murdered. If ur going to 'turn' him good then there needs to be accountability for the blood on his hands.

Redemption doesnt mean he becomes a good guy all of a sudden or that his actions are without consecuence, nor that he sees the errors of his ways and just joines the team. Redepmtion has many roads. Some of them far more interesting than getting rid of the villain or even having him stay bad. That said, i wouldnt hesitate to sign for Ward to be a villain for season 2 either. Again, this doesnt mean "make him the new BLofeld". People are complicated. Good and evil... not that easy either.

This is the whedonverse. People (soulless vampires are another story altogether) have done bad stuff before. Bumpy, complicated, hardened road, sometimes longer than one season, but it happens. Hell, acording to Loki, Natasha Romanoff was no angel either. Plenty of red on her lodger. She seemed to have done really, really terrible stuff. There was even mention of an hospital.

I mean, Angel had the "they took my soul away" excuse and he needed more than half of the season for some people even to talk to him without contempt and mistrust again. First time he visited Giles, he kept pointing him with an arrow even when aknledging he was cured... He even needed "miracle snow" to begin clean him up, and his whole show was about peoples trials to atone for past sins. And failing. And still trying...

 

[Hunter Rider]

I just don't see Ward being the nemesis long term, Ward vs Skye just doesn't seem likely to me as I think Skye trying to save him is more the direction they will go, the team doesn't have one connection of this type and I doubt they planted the seeds just to have them basically build to a kung fu scene down the line.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Nick Fury is an eye witness of Hawkeyes brainwashing.

I see what you did there.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Speaking of Fury, its still possible that the whole Ward is evil thing is a long-con ruse to infiltrate Hydra. Of course that would mean that all the murders were staged somehow. Which i agree is kinda lame. okay, maybe not...

 

[Destructus86]

I'll be dissapointed if Ward is brought back into the group. I think he makes a much stronger character as Chaotic Neutral. (still convinced he is doing his own thing and not working for Hydra)

 

[Dark Raven]

Speaking of Fury, its still possible that the whole Ward is evil thing is a long-con ruse to infiltrate Hydra. Of course that would mean that all the murders were staged somehow. Which i agree is kinda lame. okay, maybe not...

So maybe Fury hired Ward to infiltrate Hydra by befriending Garrett and letting him take him in, and then went on to infiltrate Coulson's team and is now pretending to go undercover with Garrett again? And all this, before they even knew that Garrett was the Clairvoyant or that Hydra were still active? But then maybe Fury knew Hydra were involved all along.

Maybe the ruse even goes back as far as Ward's childhood. His older brother bullying him might be all part of Fury's ruse to get him to the right place for Garrett to rescue.

 

[Shikamaru]

That theory is impossible. No one in SHIELD (besides the HYDRA infiltrators) knew HYDRA was even alive pre-TWS. Not even Fury.