Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 11 - Part 10

[Slick]

Finally, I had missed the final season. I've been watching it the last few nights. Decent so far. I'm disappointed the characters got deadended in this series.

I’ve only watched to season 4 on Netflix so I’m watching the Marvel Netflix shows and Agents from the beginning till the end. The Netflix Marvel shows I’ve watched plenty of times though lol just Agents I need to finish to the end.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

With Marvel finally acknowledging the Netflix shows as canon, I don't think it will be long before AOS gets in. I don't see how you can leave out one of the most successful shows for Marvel in the past 10 years.

 

[Drizzle]

With Marvel finally acknowledging the Netflix shows as canon, I don't think it will be long before AOS gets in. I don't see how you can leave out one of the most successful shows for Marvel in the past 10 years.

Technically wasn't AOS always canon? Some of their plots in the earlier seasons directly tied in to what was going on in the movies. Then the show did its own thing (to its benefit) and was allowed to run its course. I wouldn't count out seeing some of the AOS characters pop up in the MCU in the future but that being said, AOS is nowhere near as acclaimed as Netflix's Daredevil was, hence that one getting all the attention.

 

[ComicChick]

i feel like it was on "the sacred timeline" at least the first season, because of the winter soldier storyline etc, but i just tell myself that it branched off at some point and needs pruning in places

the only character i ever wanted to see carry over to the movieverse, even in mention, was Melinda May (the Calvary). clint needs some non-powered people to work with, or have worked with in the past. maybe before budapest or whatever

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Technically wasn't AOS always canon? Some of their plots in the earlier seasons directly tied in to what was going on in the movies. Then the show did its own thing (to its benefit) and was allowed to run its course. I wouldn't count out seeing some of the AOS characters pop up in the MCU in the future but that being said, AOS is nowhere near as acclaimed as Netflix's Daredevil was, hence that one getting all the attention

I consider it canon for that very reason. It pretty much lines up with MCU movies until season 6. I honestly wouldn't mind if they cut out the last 2 season of being canon. They could just say Season 5 was the cut-off. I'm pretty sure that was moments before the blip.

The only minor issue of it being canon is the movie placement on the timeline. The first episode of AOS deals with Extremis from Iron Man 3. The 8th episode dealt with the aftermath of Thor: The Dark World. So if it's added to the timeline, then AOS deals with Extremis before Iron Man ever did.

Now on my timeline that I have stored on my Open Office, I have Iron Man 3 taking place Christmas 2012. I think Marvel has it Christmas 2013.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I make the canon cut at the end of season 4 when Enoch grabbed them to time travel. And when I re-watch the Infinity Saga I did watch the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. along with the movies. It seemed like everything Thanos related in season 5 was from them looking at the same trailers and theory sites as the rest of us and taking a guess at the story.

While they did strike out it wasn't by just watching the pitch blow past them. They took a big swing with Graviton causing a car wreck in Chicago while they expected the Thanos train crash happening concurrently in New York and/or Wakanda.

At this point there only a few reasons for them to actually make the series canon. They want to use the Inhumans Daisy, Yo-Yo or Flint. Or perhaps to introduce that codenames are reused by multiple people with Deathlok, and/or Mockingbird

 

[Mike Murdock]

I make the canon cut at the end of season 4 when Enoch grabbed them to time travel. And when I re-watch the Infinity Saga I did watch the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. along with the movies. It seemed like everything Thanos related in season 5 was from them looking at the same trailers and theory sites as the rest of us and taking a guess at the story.

I think they stopped knowing what was happening a bit earlier, but it mattered less (some of the ties were things like the sling ring animation for Ghost Rider).

That being said, my take is the show is set in the same timeline until they time travel in Season 5. It makes things clean and simple.

 

[Venom 1988]

The only minor issue of it being canon is the movie placement on the timeline. The first episode of AOS deals with Extremis from Iron Man 3. The 8th episode dealt with the aftermath of Thor: The Dark World. So if it's added to the timeline, then AOS deals with Extremis before Iron Man ever did.

Now on my timeline that I have stored on my Open Office, I have Iron Man 3 taking place Christmas 2012. I think Marvel has it Christmas 2013.

If they really wanted to explain it they could handwave it by saying SHIELD heard about Extremis through the grapvine but at that point in time they were still investigating it and maybe it was a lower priority compared to other threats they were dealing with. AoS starts in Fall 2013 which is only a few months before IM3. So I feel they are somewhat close enough to make it plausible that SHIELD was starting to get wind of what AIM was up to but didn't have all the details yet.

But I feel it's minor enough that it's probably not gonna get addressed.

 

[Mike Murdock]

It fits with "Extremis, it's new" as well.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Iron Man 3 came out in May in the US, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in that September. When watching it live there was no question about where Hydra, only known as Centipede in the show before The Winter Soldier events, got a hold of Extremis for them to make improvements on.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Agents Of Shield could get a revival according to Brad Winderbaum.

AoS Revival

I don't know if I'd want a full blown season 8(although them explaining them coming back to the 616 universe could be interesting). I think bringing them back in another television show down the line could be a possibility.

 

[psylockolussus]

Agents of SHIELD Fan Favorite Rumored for MCU Return

A new rumor claims that a fan-favorite character from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is set to return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

www.superherohype.com

Marvel Studios' Quake

 

[C. Lee]

Agents of SHIELD Fan Favorite Rumored for MCU Return

A new rumor claims that a fan-favorite character from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is set to return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

www.superherohype.com

Marvel Studios' Quake

There are several characters from the show I would like to see again. I personally like to consider the series as part of the MCU. The movies may not have recognized the series but there were multiple connections to the movies in the first 5 seasons (especially by explaining where Nick Fury got a Helicarrier at the end of AVENGERS:AGE OF ULTRON). The last two seasons got into time travel and possible alternate universes, which now connects to the MCU MULTIVERSE aspects of the movies.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Interesting potential news about Quake. And who's the source for this new-oh...that MyTimeToScoop idiot?

Pass.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I have heard this rumor for the last like....5 years. Very heavily during Secret Invasion. So I will believe it when I see it

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Especially during Secret Invasion where it seemed that would've been the place for her to appear, just based on comics precedence.

Then again, after what that show did to Maria Hill, maybe Quake dodged a bullet or two or 10.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I think there is a chance for a L.M.D. Coulson but nothing else from the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. show. But as an Easter egg with a quick shot of an other than Wakandan or Asguardian soldier in some future giant battle it would be a nice thing to do for those on the TV frontlines when the MCU was still flying high,

 

[psylockolussus]

I think Phil Caulson is the only one they are keeping (like canonically) since he returned for Captain Marvel, when the show was about to enter its sixth season in 2019.

That being said, Aos will remain as the longest Marvel live action show, since its the one that aired the most episodes (136).

I don't care about the cast, but a short cameo of May and Quake would be nice, since I did watch all the episodes from day 1 til the end. And honestly, it so easy to introduce them since we have seen so many faceless security agents/scientists in the movies. May or Quake could have been working for the security team of President Ross. But I think Marvel Studios have forgotten them.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I think Phil Caulson is the only one they are keeping (like canonically) since he returned for Captain Marvel, when the show was about to enter its sixth season in 2019.

That being said, Aos will remain as the longest Marvel live action show, since its the one that aired the most episodes (136).

I don't care about the cast, but a short cameo of May and Quake would be nice, since I did watch all the episodes from day 1 til the end. And honestly, it so easy to introduce them since we have seen so many faceless security agents/scientists in the movies. May or Quake could have been working for the security team of President Ross. But I think Marvel Studios have forgotten them.

They have to pay the Whedon's a token fee to use the other characters. Coulson being in Ironman is exempt. Now that they are paying for the Netflix characters after initial balking on Daredevil: Born Again after the Disney+ shows ran into trouble. Cherry instead of Brett and then the reshoots bring more Netflix legacy character back for an example there is a better chance for the other AoS characters, but Joss Whedon was culturally cancelled.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They have to pay the Whedon's a token fee to use the other characters. Coulson being in Ironman is exempt. Now that they are paying for the Netflix characters after initial balking on Daredevil: Born Again after the Disney+ shows ran into trouble. Cherry instead of Brett and then the reshoots bring more Netflix legacy character back for an example there is a better chance for the other AoS characters, but Joss Whedon was culturally cancelled.

I don't think paying Whedon would honestly be a drawback for them at this point. They're using the Netflix characters now.

 

[psylockolussus]

They have to pay the Whedon's a token fee to use the other characters. Coulson being in Ironman is exempt. Now that they are paying for the Netflix characters after initial balking on Daredevil: Born Again after the Disney+ shows ran into trouble. Cherry instead of Brett and then the reshoots bring more Netflix legacy character back for an example there is a better chance for the other AoS characters, but Joss Whedon was culturally cancelled.

I don't think paying Joss Whedon "residual fees" is a concern for them. These characters are still technically under Disney and iirc, Aos is streaming in D+ exclusively. If they like the characters enough, they would use them regardless who produced the show. I don't even associate that show to Joss Whedon unlike the first 2 Avengers movies.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Would they have to pay residuals if it's a comics character?

 

[psylockolussus]

Would they have to pay residuals if it's a comics character?

The main cast of Agents of Shield (except Phil) were co created by Jed Whedon, Joss Whedon and Marissa T. Daisy Johnson was created before the show, but iirc Chloe's character was originally called Skye.

Anyway, residual fees/character fees shouldn't be such a concern if Marvel Studios really want to use AOS characters. Just read this new SHH article, Marvel aren't really paying comic book writers.

Ironheart Co-Creator Says Marvel Didn't Pay Him For New Disney+ Series - Comic Book Movies and Superhero Movie News - SuperHeroHype

Mike Deodato Jr., who co-created the character of Riri Williams, has stated that Marvel failed to pay him for the upcoming Ironheart series.

www.superherohype.com

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Would they have to pay residuals if it's a comics character?

Yes, its a part of the settlement package TV writers got two strikes ago. They have part ownership from that live action character's debut when they go to the movies or cross over to another TV show.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

The main cast of Agents of Shield (except Phil) were co created by Jed Whedon, Joss Whedon and Marissa T. Daisy Johnson was created before the show, but iirc Chloe's character was originally called Skye.

Anyway, residual fees/character fees shouldn't be such a concern if Marvel Studios really want to use AOS characters. Just read this new SHH article, Marvel aren't really paying comic book writers.

Ironheart Co-Creator Says Marvel Didn't Pay Him For New Disney+ Series - Comic Book Movies and Superhero Movie News - SuperHeroHype

Mike Deodato Jr., who co-created the character of Riri Williams, has stated that Marvel failed to pay him for the upcoming Ironheart series.

www.superherohype.com

And with Ironheart Ryan Coogler gets Executive Producer credit. That's not just marketing, that is him getting paid for using the character.