Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 11 - Part 4

[hoy-small-fry]

"It gave me clarity of mind. It gave me a vision of the world that is waiting beneath the surface of this world."

That's the direct quote from Garrett shortly after he took the GH325.

Yup, it's long been my belief that the Inhumans, or at least the creation of them, is buried underground. I'd say that the city is going to be down somewhere

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Feige wasn't kidding when he said we may see the Inhumans sooner than we expect haha. I def think the city is an Inhuman connection but agree with most it probably won't be Attilan. Really loved this episode and the whole season so far has been amazing. Can't wait to see where we end up by the end of the season

 

[S957]

I'm not a fan of literal interpretations, nor of Inner Earth/Pellucidar or variations thereof (including the Savage Land) too many complications for the MCU, likewise Atlantis is too complex an option .... AoS will follow the evidence...to N Africa and a Kree tomb perhaps ....... even in the MCU interesting things can be found in such places.

 

[Destructus86]

Feige wasn't kidding when he said we may see the Inhumans sooner than we expect haha. I def think the city is an Inhuman connection but agree with most it probably won't be Attilan. Really loved this episode and the whole season so far has been amazing. Can't wait to see where we end up by the end of the season

yeah, i'm thinking the city will be abandon for whatever reason. Likely it was the first city built and decided "You know what guys...we're freaking amazing. We can do better. Let's go to the moon or something" and so they just leave it and make a new city elsewhere which we won't see until the movie.

 

[Endeavor]

There's been more than one Inhuman city, so it may not be Attilan at all (but I think it is).

 

[Surfer]

Thinking about the city the obvious choice is Attilan but as already stated I doubt we will see that until the Inhumans film, and I would think this City will be found long before that.

The ruins in the blue area of the moon would fit, but given TV restraints and possible rights issues with the FF (first appeared in FF and The Watcher is with them for sure) they might revise that Kree/Cotari experiment concept so that all went down on Earth instead, perhaps in Antarctica, where they could merge it with the Savage Land too (and I think Mockingbird first appeared with Ka-Zar?)

The Eternals is another option. Similar concept as the Inhumans, and I think Thanos (and all Titanians) were ret-conned into being them? We have seen one dead Celestial and another in action in GOTG too so they might go with that.

Last one (I'd think this least likely) could be Atlantis. Not sure if they'd run with that though (having Atlanteans descendent of an alien race) plus afaik there's no plans for Namor in anything atm.

Whatever they go with I figure there must end up being an Inhuman connection there. My best guess is they might merge the Eternals with them (which has been done in the books. Thanos's son, 'Thane' is a hybrid of the 2). Next would be the blue area of the moon moved to Antarctica.

Yeah, I was also thinking the city could be connected to the Eternals as easily as it could be with the inhumans. I mean with both Thanos and the Celestials both appearing in the MCU film's, I don't think it would be tremendously hard to establish the Eternals. Also, the benefit to the Eternals over the Inhumans would be that you don't want people to get bored with a connection that is taking forever to be made. In other words with the Inhumans movie coming out a few years from now, the Shield team could be either looking for this city for a very long time or they find the city and the show uses some unknown inhumans to make the connection. However, I ultimately feel like if they make the connection too early before the movie it might end up detracting from the impact the real Marvel inhuman characters could have in the movie.

So, for Marvel AOS, I think that I would almost rather the city belong to the Eternals, and then perhaps for the MCU version of things when S.H.I.E.L.D finally locates the Eternals city, they tell Coulson and his team the story of how they came to be (Celestials) and how a long time later another alien race (this time Kree) landed on earth performing experiments on regular humans trying to duplicate their powers. Or perhaps the city Coulson found is Attilian, but finding the Eternals city is sort of a stepping stone along the way to break up the monotony of them not finding anything.

Very excited for this series right now, I just worry about them doing things that are going to take so long to develop as that was a major problem they had with Season 1. People get impatient and jump ship, so it is important they don't stretch a story too thin and make it drag. Right now it is great just worried if they can keep up the excitement of this idea of finding the city for a couple of years.

Surfer

 

[Anubis]

Yup. Eternals could work. So could Devients. Hell, it could be Atlantis or Lemuria.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

 

[Dr. Evil]

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[Lilbaz]

Wouldn't mind the Eternals showing up. It could be a good way of introducing a lot of the Marvel Universe (Titans/Olympian gods/Deviants even a mention of Thanos).

Would actually start making the show very important to the MCU rather than reactionary to it and getting cast offs.

 

[Vartha]

With the big hint of Knowhere and Ancient Beings Eternals would be GREAT

 

[Vartha]

Mockingbird did first appear with Ka-Zar but didn't she get completely retooled after that?
I'm also curious about the actress saying that Hawkeye is still very important to her character when they gave the ex-husband plot line to Hunter...maybe Barton was her first SO?

Also, we shouldn't dismiss Marvel revealing important stuff on AOS when only AOS viewers know who the current director of SHIELD is...

And? To the movie audience SHIELD is history and Coulson is dead. And thats important because that's what the heroes believe to be true.

SHIELD and Director Coulson are pretty deep underground right now.

Erica has a point tho. There are a few MCU fans here at the College that had no idea that Phil Was brought back to life. They were assuming the show predated the Avengers film, or was a completely different world like MOST of the DC tv shows and Movies

 

[Dr. Evil]

I was thinking about this last night as I was watching Chicago PD....

- If there was ever a third Marvel show on ABC and like Agents of SHIELD, this one takes place in present day then they need to do it like how NBC does it with Chicago Fire/Chicago PD, make the crossovers believable and flawless and not force it because it's in the same universe. Chicago Fire/Chicago PD characters go back and forth between the shows pretty much every week very seamlessly and does not seem forced.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Erica has a point tho. There are a few MCU fans here at the College that had no idea that Phil Was brought back to life. They were assuming the show predated the Avengers film, or was a completely different world like MOST of the DC tv shows and Movies

Thats my point though. And why the movies will effect the show, but the show really wont effect the movies. Anything super major (like coulson) id imagine would eventually be addressed and reintroduced to some degree on film for those who missed it from the show

 

[Anubis]

I really don't see the big deal. It's on Network TV. It ain't like it's on HBO or Netflix. If you don't know that Coulson isn't dead then that's really your dumbass fault.

 

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

Erica has a point tho. There are a few MCU fans here at the College that had no idea that Phil Was brought back to life. They were assuming the show predated the Avengers film, or was a completely different world like MOST of the DC tv shows and Movies

Gaaaaaaahhhhhh

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I really don't see the big deal. It's on Network TV. It ain't like it's on HBO or Netflix. If you don't know that Coulson isn't dead then that's really your dumbass fault.

Well yeah. But theyre still going to give a brief "im alive" explanation if he pops up on film. Not detailed but at least a line about it to fill people in.

But the show isnt going to effect the films

The show just acts as a companion piece to bridge movies and dive deeper. Its an optional medium for those who want to dive in deeper.and for stories that wont be on film.

 

[fixxxer]

I really don't see the big deal. It's on Network TV. It ain't like it's on HBO or Netflix. If you don't know that Coulson isn't dead then that's really your dumbass fault.

It is a big deal. The vast majority of MCU fans choose not to watch AOS because they perceive its quality as poor. And that doesn't even begin to address the casual fans... who basically don't know Bucky Barnes from the Winter Soldier but seem to enjoy the explosions, jokes and bright colors anyway.

I believe Coulson will be reintroduced in the MCU at some point and it will have be explained... even in the most cursory of ways. IMO the best way to do this would be to play it as a joke, preferably delivered by Stark.

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* Coulson has this big speech/explanation prepared about how he's alive and what he's been up to for the past 4-5 years.

* Coulson walks into the room, the Avengers barely react.

* Tony raises his hand to his head like he's getting a vision, "Wait, don't tell me... let me guess... Fury brought you back from the dead and messed around with your memories. You rebuilt SHIELD from the ground up and are running it as a non-sanctioned vigilante organization. Coulson, we've known for a couple of years now."

* Coulson's jaw hits the floor for a couple of beats, regains a bit of composure and says "something like that". Smiles are exchanged all around. We move on.

 

[flickchick85]

No, I didn't say they ALL will be IN the film. I'm saying that there will probably be a MENTION that there WERE others

I'm not saying that's not a possibility, but I just don't think that was at all implied by what Feige said. I could be totally wrong, but I seriously doubt there will be any others besides Mar-Vell, tbh.

 

[Surfer]

In the comics doesn't Maria Hill become director of S.H.I.E.L.D. and it eventually leads into Civil War after an explosion kills a bunch of the new warriors and a lot of children? If so, do people feel Coulson is going to be the MCU movie version of Maria Hills character from the comics during Captain America Civil War? or do people think that something might happen to Phil Coulson leading to Maria Hill taking the position? The reason why I was asking is because if something happens to Coulson then his reintroduction into the movies might not be an issue. I mean it seems like Nick Fury more or less went into hiding after the events of Captain America the Winter Soldier (despite his brief appearance in AOS). This is similar to what happened in the comics. So, it seems to me Marvel is already planting the seeds for Captain America Civil War and it makes me wonder if Coulson's days as director of S.H.I.E.L.D. might not be numbered. What do others think.

Surfer

 

[Dark Raven]

If they wanted to remove Coulson as director of SHIELD, then they missed their opportunity already. He was going insane with all the Kree writings and ordered May to kill him and take over the position. Even if she did do it (which the fake May agreed to without question since she didn't actually know his request), then would she really have Maria Hill come in and take over?

But if Hill were to assume responsibility, then they missed their chance. How many times can they play that card where something happens to Coulson so that he's no longer around, incapacitated or medically unfit to lead the team/ be a part of all the goings on?

 

[Brownbear]

unrelated to the season so far but i bought this for a $1

what if.. Punisher became an agent of shield

 

[DN91]

In the comics doesn't Maria Hill become director of S.H.I.E.L.D. and it eventually leads into Civil War after an explosion kills a bunch of the new warriors and a lot of children? If so, do people feel Coulson is going to be the MCU movie version of Maria Hills character from the comics during Captain America Civil War? or do people think that something might happen to Phil Coulson leading to Maria Hill taking the position? The reason why I was asking is because if something happens to Coulson then his reintroduction into the movies might not be an issue. I mean it seems like Nick Fury more or less went into hiding after the events of Captain America the Winter Soldier (despite his brief appearance in AOS). This is similar to what happened in the comics. So, it seems to me Marvel is already planting the seeds for Captain America Civil War and it makes me wonder if Coulson's days as director of S.H.I.E.L.D. might not be numbered. What do others think.

Surfer

I have a feeling that CA:CW won't be a beat-for-beat adaptation of comics Civil War. Rather than SHIELD figuring into it as a big presence, it'll just primarily be the US government.

 

[ericadawn16]

We also have to keep in mind that this version is about who's in control of the gifted/superpowered/whatever and not about making everyone be registered and "outed".

 

[Gr0oT]

Yup, it's long been my belief that the Inhumans, or at least the creation of them, is buried underground. I'd say that the city is going to be down somewhere

I just rewatched the last episode of season one and apart from the quote I provided there is also the discussion between Garrett and Raina about the true natures of people hidden within. Seems pretty obvious in hindsight.