Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 11 - Part 4

[Vartha]

hehehe just got Agent Coulson

 

[Vartha]

Thus why starfox makes sense haha

You know, I don't remember if Star Fox and Amora ever met

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But why would a key to an Eternal city have Kree writing on it? (wiki say's that the Kree experimented on a captured Eternal before continuing their experiments on the Inhumans).

The kree are basically connected to every alien race, and every alien race has experimented on each other and earthlings. For all we know, kree writing is also eternal writing. We just don't know yet.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Our rating system here in the US is meaningless. Pride and Prejudice, the Colin Firth version, is seriously rated TV-14. I've also seen episodes of Home Improvement, Rhoda, The Bob Newhart Show and The Dick Van Dyke Show rated TV-14 at times. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom was rated TV-PG last I saw it. I have no idea what the criteria is that they use for ratings, but it's obviously garbage. I generally ignore it because it's usually very wrong.

Still, in-context rating is different. One thing to say a TV show from 50 years ago might be rated differently (I strongly doubt it was ever TV-14, but that's for different reasons). Likewise, it's another thing to say a movie was rated differently (particularly a movie from 30 years ago). I'll even say that maybe it'll vary from TV show to TV show today (although less likely). But if a show is consistently TV-PG and it jumps to TV-14 one week, maybe that should tell you that the particular week is a little bit different.

Although are these widely available before an episode or do you have to look at the tiny box when the episode starts playing? That's a slight concern. Mind you, only a slight concern. I thought it was the correct decision in this episode to not sugar coat Whitehall. It helped establish him as a terrible human being (and effective villain). In context, it was completely appropriate. It's not done excessively or arbitrarily. It made complete sense in the story.

 

[Nathan]

The kree are basically connected to every alien race, and every alien race has experimented on each other and earthlings. For all we know, kree writing is also eternal writing. We just don't know yet.

So is that Marvel's way of explaining why so many alien races out there look similar?

 

[InternetPeople]

I'm afraid to respond because of your character defect.

I was not going to respond to you after last night because I know myself and would probably have been banned. I respect you want what you think is best for your kid, I don't like when that sanitizes something I like just the way it is.

So we compromised on the TV rating system. If you choose not to use that then that's your fault, not Marvel's. But because here in America no one takes responsibility for anything, we all have to suffer the nanny state. Thanks, Dad.

I suggest you protest the show if you want it to change. Let them feel it in the ratings which happened to tick upwards from the previous week. If you don't like the show, don't watch it. Free market and all that. I got nothing else for you.

Believing in invisible allies is a strategy of failure.

I have nothing to drop. Remember, you were the one with the problem, I was (stupidly) trying to understand you.

I'm done responding to you but I harbor no animosity. I'm just done.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I guess I earned that one.

However, this is a show that is supposed to be geared towards people that are younger and it is going to lose viewers. They are not selling Spiderman and Iron Man figures primarily for adults. That much is a fact. No one is going to suddenly start watching it for the violence factor because the comic books fans are already here watching it that will and people that love gore already have other things that are far worse to watch. Nothing is to be gained from the fore. The best AoS can do is attract new viewers with new movies and maintain the shrinking audience in the mean time. More gore will accomplish nothing except alienating 24% of viewers. I have no idea why anyone would disagree with that basic position? It defies history and things that are given in Hollywood. General ratings always attract more viewers with very few exceptions.

Again. The show isnt geared towards "younger people" thats your mistake. There's no "kid" element in this. The show isnt about superheroes, its about spies, assassins, murderers, aliens and the supernaturals in a world of superheroes....

The show is on at 9 at night and deals with adult themes, concepts and emotions

Just because something is comic book related doesn't make it for children. I also drawl on the breaking bad figure comparison again. Just because something is a "toy" doesn't make it for children

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Not sensitive, I am opinionated and I love having the last word. Character flaw? Sure. Don't care. And yes, other people have sided with me here and on other boards. They were shocked and disturbed by that scene. But frankly, I don't care if I have allies anyway. Maybe that's a 'Murican thing.

Besides, I don't think it's a lack of allies as much as few other people are stupid enough to get into this argument with us.

Let's drop it, mmmkay?

The only one who needs to drop it is yourself, because every time you bring up ridiculous excuses people are going to tell you about how ridiculous you're being.

Im over uptight parents expecting others to do the parenting for them...

 

[Lilbaz]

The kree are basically connected to every alien race, and every alien race has experimented on each other and earthlings. For all we know, kree writing is also eternal writing. We just don't know yet.

As I said I am not against the idea of it being an Eternal city (I would love them to be introduced). I just think it more probable to be Kree. Even if it is Kree it could still introduce Inhumans/Eternals/Deviants/Celestials and a whole host of other races. Skye/Raina could still get some powers. And a lot of possible storylines could open up for the show.

 

[InternetPeople]

Just because something is a "toy" doesn't make it for children

Just ask Vartha about that

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So is that Marvel's way of explaining why so many alien races out there look similar?

Well the eternals in some ways are kinda the "adam and eve" of the marvel universe, like every race can link back to them

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm afraid to respond because of your character defect.

I was not going to respond to you after last night because I know myself and would probably have been banned. I respect you want what you think is best for your kid, I don't like when that sanitizes something I like just the way it is.

So we compromised on the TV rating system. If you choose not to use that then that's your fault, not Marvel's. But because here in America no one takes responsibility for anything, we all have to suffer the nanny state. Thanks, Dad.

I suggest you protest the show if you want it to change. Let them feel it in the ratings which happened to tick upwards from the previous week. If you don't like the show, don't watch it. Free market and all that. I got nothing else for you.

Believing in invisible allies is a strategy of failure.

I have nothing to drop. Remember, you were the one with the problem, I was (stupidly) trying to understand you.

I'm done responding to you but I harbor no animosity. I'm just done.

Well said

 

[Vartha]

Just ask Vartha about that

lol yeah and quite a few other collectors.

 

[Lilbaz]

lol yeah and quite a few other collectors.

What sort of "toys" are we talking about here?

 

[Nathan]

Well the eternals in some ways are kinda the "adam and eve" of the marvel universe, like every race can link back to them

Interesting. My knowledge of Marvel lore didn't run that deep.

 

[Vartha]

So is that Marvel's way of explaining why so many alien races out there look similar?

nope, there was a universe before ours where remnants of the previous Universe continued. Galactus for example was the last of HIS race.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

lol yeah and quite a few other collectors.

Indeed. Recently there was a dollar store that made the news locally for selling a pink "magic wand" that a mother complained about because when the packaging is removed it shows a demon child slitting her wrists...

The "toy" was called "evil stick" and had that automated halloween laugh...

No is the thing twisted in humor? Yes, is it tasteless? Sure. But just because its a pink wand doesnt mean its for kids... and the friggin thing was called "an evil stick"

Lol .

If a toy is pnk and friendly and called something not so.... there's most certainly a catch!

But yeah, that's a whole other topic

 

[flickchick85]

I guess I earned that one.

However, this is a show that is supposed to be geared towards people that are younger and it is going to lose viewers. They are not selling Spiderman and Iron Man figures primarily for adults. That much is a fact. No one is going to suddenly start watching it for the violence factor because the comic books fans are already here watching it that will and people that love gore already have other things that are far worse to watch. Nothing is to be gained from the fore. The best AoS can do is attract new viewers with new movies and maintain the shrinking audience in the mean time. More gore will accomplish nothing except alienating 24% of viewers. I have no idea why anyone would disagree with that basic position? It defies history and things that are given in Hollywood. General ratings always attract more viewers with very few exceptions.

I mean no disrespect, but it seems like there's a discrepancy between the target audience the show is geared toward and the target audience you think the show is geared toward. The 9pm timeslot is your first clue that it's not going for a young audience. That's where the grown-up shows live. The 2nd is the ratings of the movies this show is spun-off from - ALL of them PG-13, which means it's recommended for teens and above.

And as far as alienating young viewers, the only demographic the network cares about in this prime time slot is the Adult 18-34 demo, because that's the only one that advertisers care about. And I can assure you, that demo as a whole has no problem with a little PG-13 level gore. In fact, a large portion of that audience doesn't just tolerate the gore, they LOVE it, considering they're the ones giving the R-rated bloody horror flicks of today all the business. The point being, there are just as many that see gore as a draw as there are that see it as a deterrent.

I think you're right to heed the ratings and preview the show for your kids. Always a good idea because they can get away with A LOT on network TV these days, and that surgery scene wasn't even a fraction of how gruesome I've seen it get on some network shows.

 

[Hunter Rider]

So what are my views on a scene I barely gave a 2nd thought to? what deep philosophical post can I make to add to this debate......

AHA! I've got it!....

 

[Dr. Evil]

http://marvel.com/news/tv/23698/lea...erious_alien_race_in_marvels_agents_of_shield.

 

[iambranded]

again. The show isnt geared towards "younger people" thats your mistake. There's no "kid" element in this. The show isnt about superheroes, its about spies, assassins, murderers, aliens and the supernaturals in a world of superheroes....

The show is on at 9 at night and deals with adult themes, concepts and emotions

just because something is comic book related doesn't make it for children. I also drawl on the breaking bad figure comparison again. Just because something is a "toy" doesn't make it for children

very true...if this was only for kids...this would be on disney xd at a decent time for kids to watch

 

[Infinity9999x]

I mean no disrespect, but it seems like there's a discrepancy between the target audience the show is geared toward and the target audience you think the show is geared toward. The 9pm timeslot is your first clue that it's not going for a young audience. That's where the grown-up shows live. The 2nd is the ratings of the movies this show is spun-off from - ALL of them PG-13, which means it's recommended for teens and above.

Agreed. This show isn't trying to target pre or young teens. It's trying to get the coveted 18 to 24 audience.

And I completely get your reluctance at the last episode ajmccarrell, however, as Flickchick said, this show isn't really aiming to be young child friendly. I think 13 year olds are going to be the youngest audience they're going for.

Also (and this just gets into personal philosophy) but I've been reading some interesting things about how we do or don't censor violence. There's actually an interesting argument that some have made that in some ways it's actually better to show a *bit* more gore in action movies and such. Having an intense hard pg-13 movie for example, that is quite violent but censors the blood and gore, actually enhances that desensitized and fantasized/glorified version of violence that many people point to as an issue with American youth.

Now, you can go too far with that as well, and overload the gore so that itself becomes desensitizing. However, the way it was used in the last episode I actually think was quite effective. It was short (maybe 15 seconds total) yet had a powerful impact, and it was quite disturbing. As it should be. Violence should shock us, and it does when it's used wisely in well placed moments.

Again, I also completely understand not wanting a young child to see it at all, but I thought it was interesting none the less.

 

[Dr. Evil]

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/11/19/agents-shield-spoilers/

 

[spideyboy_1111]

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/11/19/agents-shield-spoilers/

Oh wow. I miss understood the news report.. I thought ward killed his mother and framed his brother. I didnt realize he killed his brother and his mother, framing the dead brother

 

[Xeno]

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/11/19/agents-shield-spoilers/

Oh wow. I miss understood the news report.. I thought ward killed his mother and framed his brother. I didnt realize he killed his brother and his mother, framing the dead brother

Ward killed his father, mother and brother. The writer of that article missed quite a few details. He/she apparently didn't notice that Whitehall tortured Skye's mother to death because he was under the impression that the Doctor might have killed her. This in spite of the fact that the Doctor was seen in the flashback cradling her mutilated body and vowing revenge upon Whitehall.

It's rather surprising that so many people believe that the Doctor is Maximus. That is unlikely for a variety of reasons, not least of which being that Maximus is too important to the future Inhumans film to be used in AOS. Feige isn't likely to allow the TV division to cast such a central character and involve him in a major story. Also, Maximus has no children. Skye's presumed mother was either immortal or had an extremely long lifespan, which is a trait associated with the Eternals rather than the Inhuman race. (Some individual In humans might have long lives, however.) It will be interesting to see where the show goes with this because the Kree have recently been shown to have experimented with Eternal DNA in ancient times to create the Inhumans.