Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 8

[Infinity9999x]

You don't really have to "follow", it's just my opinion. If you feel differently, then that's cool.

No, I'm not trying to be a dick, I just honestly didn't get where you're coming from. I wasn't sure what you meant when you said it had more variety to it's comic characters...because most of the characters in Arrow are comic characters, so I honestly just wasn't sure what you meant.

I usually compare AOS with a show on the same network: Castle.

I don't think there's anything wrong with comparing two live action superhero-based shows in the general discussion thread. Not only that, but superhero based shows that center on non-superpowered beings. That certainly makes more sense to me than to compare AOS to a show that's in a completely different genre and style, but that's just me.

Again, I understand the trepidation, because these things can easily devolve into a flame war. But I think it's fun to compare things like this. It's what message boards are for after all. And I'm a fan of both Marvel and DC, (though if I was being honest, I do lean a bit more Marvel's way) so I don't see any harm in it.

 

[Dr. Evil]

My reservation is that it turns into a flame war.

As a non Comic Book Guy, I usually compare shows on the same network rather than the same genre.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

No, I'm not trying to be a dick, I just honestly didn't get where you're coming from. I wasn't sure what you meant when you said it had more variety to it's comic characters...because most of the characters in Arrow are comic characters, so I honestly just wasn't sure what you meant.

Variety isn't about the amount, it's about how different they are.

 

[Infinity9999x]

My reservation is that it turns into a flame war.

As a non Comic Book Guy, I usually compare shows on the same network rather than the same genre.

I get it. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic in my hope that one day on these boards can have a civil discussion about both Marvel and DC without it getting out of hand. We've been doing okay here so far though.

I actually think it would be cool to discuss both, because then we can compare things we both like and don't like about each show. For example, I think Arrow's fight choreography is amazing, and I'd love to AOS try to have action as entertaining as Arrow's is. On the same token, it's very refreshing to see AOS not shoving love triangles down our throat like Arrow does (since Arrow hast to cater to a CW audience).

 

[Infinity9999x]

Variety isn't about the amount, it's about how different they are.

Oh, so are you talking just look-wise? Such as character types and such? In terms of both shows main cast, they're pretty similar. All quite young and incredibly attractive save for the few older actors. Each show's extended character base is pretty diverse though. You have China White, Michael J. as Tiger, an older British actor as Clock King (who was great) an Australian actor playing Slade (also great), ect. It's pretty diverse itself.

Both main casts of each show are fairly similar though.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I get it. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic in my hope that one day on these boards can have a civil discussion about both Marvel and DC without it getting out of hand. We've been doing okay here so far though.

It's not really a problem until people start getting pissy.

I've only watched the first episode of Arrow but it seemed pretty cool. need to get back on that soon.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

As much as i love arrow... It just quite honestly feels like a step up from smallville. Its got the same level of actors and really just steps up the "dark and gritty" and the fight choreography. Other than that... Still feels smallville like

 

[Hunter Rider]

Thin ice subject without a doubt. Personally I think Arrow is brilliant and has consistently upped it's game on every level including the acting, one of the best shows on TV IMO.

AoS is in a trickier spot as it's beholding to a larger movie tapestry, and it's tonally very different, much like how Marvel movies are mostly different to DC's.

Personally right now I much prefer Arrow, but I've had more time to invest in it and I've always been a bigger fan of that kind of hero. However I'd say AoS is starting to really find it's footing and it's a breezy 40 minutes viewing that is starting to develop it's overarching plots nicely.

Key word is different, while Arrow is one of my favourite shows I'm also glad I have AoS on my viewing list as well as it's fun and that is what I look for first and foremost with things I watch for entertainment.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Still feels smallville like

LOL

This tells me that you haven't really been watching the show.

The pacing alone blows Smallville or any other show, including AoS out of the proverbial water. And I watched all ten years of Smallville.

More than one blogger/writer has penned the show as the best ever live-action superhero/comic TV show, and more than a few of these same people talk about how AoS could have learned a thing or two from Arrow. (I disagree with that last sentiment, BTW. I love AoS as it is. I just don't feel the need to disparage other shows to make AoS look better.)

But go ahead. Keep making uninformed assumptions based on the two minutes you spent glancing over the show.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

LOL

This tells me that you haven't really been watching the show.

The pacing alone blows Smallville or any other show, including AoS out of the proverbial water. And I watched all ten years of Smallville.

More than one blogger/writer has penned the show as the best ever live-action superhero/comic TV show, and more than a few of these same people talk about how AoS could have learned a thing or two from Arrow. (I disagree with that last sentiment, BTW. I love AoS as it is. I just don't feel the need to disparage other shows to make AoS look better.)

But go ahead. Keep making uninformed assumptions based on the two minutes you spent glancing over the show.

ive seen the entire first season. Haven't watched any of season 2 yet, but i have watched the entire first season... and it felt very smallville like... just upgraded and stepped up a bit. So please... don't assume i'm uninformed for sharing a different opinion. Jesus Christ, don't take opinions about a show so personal.

I love Arrow (only reason i haven't watched the second season, is because i got into the show during it's winter Hiatus) But doesn't stop it from feeling like Smallville at times.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Thin ice subject without a doubt. Personally I think Arrow is brilliant and has consistently upped it's game on every level including the acting, one of the best shows on TV IMO.

AoS is in a trickier spot as it's beholding to a larger movie tapestry, and it's tonally very different, much like how Marvel movies are mostly different to DC's.

Personally right now I much prefer Arrow, but I've had more time to invest in it and I've always been a bigger fan of that kind of hero. However I'd say AoS is starting to really find it's footing and it's a breezy 40 minutes viewing that is starting to develop it's overarching plots nicely.

Key word is different, while Arrow is one of my favourite shows I'm also glad I have AoS on my viewing list as well as it's fun and that is what I look for first and foremost with things I watch for entertainment.

yeah, i don't get why anyone commenting about Arrow suddenly means they think SHIELD is better (or vice versa) both shows have faults. You can also.. *gasp* love both

 

[Gr0oT]

Uggggh

I didn't mean for this to turn in to another Marvel vs DC thing.

No need to worry, that wasn't what I intended.

If you like comic books stuff, you should check it out. Personally, I'm a much bigger fan of the Marvel Universe as a whole myself. Spidey was my first superhero that I fell in love with as a kid. The marvel universe itself has always been more interesting to me than DC's word. Though Batman is one of my favorite superheroes.

However, one thing that Arrow is doing wonderfully well right now is organically and naturally expanding it's superhero world. The universe it's setting up is becoming more and more interesting (they've started introducing the League of Assassins) and the actor playing Slade absolutely kills it. Manu is great.

I can't really compare AOS to Arrow yet in terms of world building, because they're still in their first season, but by the end of S1, Arrow had really hit it's stride. It's looking like AOS is definitely getting there though.

Honestly, the biggest thing I want AOS to take from Arrow, like I said before, is the action sequences. Arrow has some of the best action sequences I've ever seen in a TV show. It honestly has some of the best normal hand to hand action sequences I've seen in a superhero show period. I wish Nolan had utilized a style similar to what they do in Arrow for his films. It's just flashy enough, while still looking very brutal and efficient.

I'm willing to give it a try just based on your praise of the action.

For the love of...

Can we save the DC vs. Marvel stuff for the Misc. Comics Film Forum?

That's why we have moderators.
If anyone wants to take civil comparisons and turn it into a DC vs Marvel flamewar they should be disciplined for trolling, I don't think legitimate comparisons should be shelved for fear of a few bad apples.

 

[jonathancrane]

I'm excited about tonight's episode. I watched the online preview and really enjoyed it.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Excited at the fact that Sif will get more screentime in this film than the two Thor films combined.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Hunter Rider, well said. I agree with pretty much everything you've voiced.

In terms of the Smallville comparisons to Arrow, I can understand that statement. Arrow suffers a bit from being on the CW, which seems like the writers are forced to include a love triangle each season. (Though, to be fair, most male comic superheroes are in love triangles constantly in the comics). And the first few episodes of the first season were a bit rough. However, Arrow has REALLY hit it's stride.

Also, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing if it's compared to Smallville. At the beginning, Smallville was a great concept. It just kept trying to push that concept (let's watch Clark before he's Superman) far too long, to the point where it was ridiculous. (Clark having fought Zod, Metallo, Doomsday ect. all before he was Supes). But Smallville did a lot for the superhero genre. It came along right during the Superhero Renaissance, started after X1 and Spider-man, and showed networks that, hey, live action superheros can make it work on TV too. And Smallville had some pretty good ideas in the beginning, it just went on far too long.

The difference with Smallville and Arrow is that Smallville was a concept that had a finite life. They could only go so far of adventures of Clark before he was Superman before running out of ideas...and then having him do things he should have been doing as Superman...before he was Superman. Arrow has been naturally expanding it's world in a way that feels very organic. And the story lines and acting only continue to improve. Smallville's own concept limited it from the start. Arrow doesn't have that problem. Neither does AOS for that matter.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm willing to give it a try just based on your praise of the action.

Honestly, yeah. People can say what they will about Amell's acting, but you have to give the guy props for his dedication to his physical work. The man got himself in amazing shape, and he does as much of the stuntwork as they will allow him to do, which is really cool, because in many cases you can actually see that it's him doing a lot of the fight choreography. He even trained at a free running school for some of the stunt stuff, and it shows.

Whoever the choreographer(s) are, they're doing a fantastic job as well. It's honestly the style I wished they had used for Batman in the Nolan films. They still have some flashy moves in there (spins, big round house kicks) but they also work in a lot of very brutal looking and practical moves (at times very Bourne-esque, without the shaky cam), and it's just a perfect combination for keeping the tone somewhat grounded yet still a comic book-y.

I'm big into stage combat and fight choreography myself, so even in the beginning of Season One when I wasn't really feeling it, the fight scenes alone kept me coming back. As far as non-powered superhero fighting goes, this show is easily one of my top picks for fight choreography, and that's including films. What's even more impressive is that they really don't have a huge budget, they just really get some mileage out of what they have.

 

[Vartha]

hehehe 10 minutes to Sif and Lorelei cat fight and I'm downloading the Loki god of mischief off of Vudu!!!! hehehe THOR ROCKS this week lol

 

[kosh33]

vartha.. good to see you again.. some updates on what is happening please, atleast during the breaks.. thanks

 

[Vartha]

Updates? on what?

 

[Vartha]

Well if you mean the show, so far Coulson has asked Sif not to tell Thor he's alive because he wants to tell Thor.
Lorelei has gathered a Biker gang as an army.
and Skye is awake.

 

[Vartha]

Ward's now under Lorelei's enchantment. Coulson won't let Simmons send a sample of Skyes blood to HQ.

 

[kosh33]

thanks Vartha!

 

[Vartha]

lol no problem lol

okay Ward and Lorelei make it to the Bus and they're in the air and Sif gets sucked out of the interrogation room.

 

[Vartha]

hahaha Sif's on the plane's roof

 

[Vartha]

and the cat fight happens, sif takes lorelei home


by the way, while Phil had Sif alone, he asked about Blue Aliens and Sif told him MANY names lol