Aliens Vs Predator

[steelio2006]

AVP: Requiem wasn't that bad. Alien 3 (theatrical cut) was worse than this lookin back. tho, now that i've seen the work print for Alien 3 it makes the theatrical that less decent.

 

[Spade]

I never saw what was the issue with Alien 3's theatrical cut. Is it disappointing? Very. But worse than AVP-R? This movie not only has the same forgetable characters/cannon-fodder, but it doesn't even bother to have anything past face value and has a quarter of the cinematography Fincher gave his film.

 

[co2]

Let's be fair, no matter what we say about AVP-R, it does seem that Fox was at least listening. What were the 2 biggest compalints about AVP?....The wimpy PG-13 level of graphicness, and the rubber looking Predators. Those are the two complaints that were made most vocal on places like these boards. It's obvisious they knew fans were disgruntled at least by the first complaint since they released an "unrated" version of the movie on disc...which really was just being deceptive because it added nothing to the movie. But that at least tells you that they knew it was a complaint.
You have to admit they did a 180 on both of those issues in AVP-R. It was very graphic, and the Predator himself was much improved. Depite forcing the movie to have a lower budget, I still think AVP-R was an improvment over the previous film. I still believe there is more than enough life left in this franchise given the right talent. Hopefully we will be given a chance to prove 3rd times the charm.

 

[bullets]

i thought avp: r was good . it didnt have the wow factor that some of these films used to have but it is heading in the right direction . the creatures were done right , i hope we do see a third in space.

 

[Nightmare]

Third in space would be good. Maybe more of a futuristic setting almost close to the first alien movie.

 

[Theweepeople]

I never saw what was the issue with Alien 3's theatrical cut. Is it disappointing? Very. But worse than AVP-R? This movie not only has the same forgetable characters/cannon-fodder, but it doesn't even bother to have anything past face value and has a quarter of the cinematography Fincher gave his film.

I hated the theatrical cut of Alien 3 with a passion. It's arguably the worst sequel I've ever seen. I fell asleep watching that movie twice. 95% of the characters in the film were forgettable. What I'm curious about is the Assembly cut of Alien. I doubt that I will see it but, I keep hearing that it is a masterpiece. Is the opening of the assembly cut different than the theatrical because a lot of my complaints start there? The beginning of Alien 3 had a couple of ridiculous plotholes that destroyed the movie for me.

 

[Timstuff]

Third in space would be good. Maybe more of a futuristic setting almost close to the first alien movie.

Colonial Marines, dangit!

BTW, today I made a photoshop mockup of the Hicks GI Joe that I want to make. Does anyone know of any Alien action figures that might fit in with an 8" Sigma 6 figure, if I choose to make some kind of display diorama for this guy? Would it be better to get an alien figure that's a little larger, or a little smaller than a human figure?

BTW, here's the mockup. I probably won't be able to actually make this guy until I'm done with my Marcus Fenix and Master Chief action figures, but I just thought I might let you guys get a sloppy first look at what I'm basically planning. Remember, this is a sloppy photoshop mockup. The real thing should look a lot better than this.

 

[jimmylace]

I hated the theatrical cut of Alien 3 with a passion. It's arguably the worst sequel I've ever seen. I fell asleep watching that movie twice. 95% of the characters in the film were forgettable. What I'm curious about is the Assembly cut of Alien. I doubt that I will see it but, I keep hearing that it is a masterpiece. Is the opening of the assembly cut different than the theatrical because a lot of my complaints start there? The beginning of Alien 3 had a couple of ridiculous plotholes that destroyed the movie for me.

after watching AC you shouldnt have any characterisation problems, and yes, the start is different, as is alot of the movie- its around an extra 40 minutes which really makes a difference. its pretty epic. the egg on the ship "plothole" is still there though (although I think its more of a contrivance than a hole. if we can accept the queen fitting in a tiny elevator at the end of Aliens, then im sure we can accept a stray egg no one noticed)

the AC is a far superior cut. its not a masterpiece, but a flawed masterpiece imo. I didnt like Alien 3 that much at all until I saw the AC. Its virtually like watching a different movie, its got some seriously gothic overtones but it still comes with a few of the theatricals flaws to boot.

 

[Nightwing]

Why do people slate Alien 3 so?

It was very well made....i loved it purely because it had a similar fear factor to Alien (the whole no big guns, just running around airducts/corridors scared poopless)

you all need to show more love...theres no way on gods green and blue earth (with a hint of brown and white where mountains are and yellow where the sand is) that any Alien vs Predator film to be made will ever be better than the original trilogy....your all probably the samer folk who though episodes 1-3 were better than the original trilogy for star wars.....

shame on you...shame on you all.....

 

[Wolverini]

Actually, no.

Episode 3 came CLOSE to the originals, but thats about it.

Funny thing is that I liked AVP:R. Sure, there is almost NO character development but thats okay. If I wanted that I'd go see Shawshank Redemption. What WAS wrong with AVP:R?

People want to see what they envisioned in there own heads. If they dont see there thoughts onscreen they WILL hate this movie. Its sad really, people just cant seem to enjoy a simple hack/slash movie anymore.

 

[Theweepeople]

after watching AC you shouldnt have any characterisation problems, and yes, the start is different, as is alot of the movie- its around an extra 40 minutes which really makes a difference. its pretty epic. the egg on the ship "plothole" is still there though (although I think its more of a contrivance than a hole. if we can accept the queen fitting in a tiny elevator at the end of Aliens, then im sure we can accept a stray egg no one noticed)

I disagree. The queen in Aliens looked like she could have fit inside that elevator if she crouched down and curled herself up. It would have been a tight squeeze but after considering how flexible the xenomorphs appeared I think the queen would fit. I have a much harder time believing the elevator would have supported her weight than whether she would fit in it. Of course we don't know how much weight the elevator could take so I don't see this as a plothole.

The queen from AVP who appeared to be no less than 50 feet tall wouldn't fit in the elevator. Maybe you were thinking of that queen when
considering this because the AVP queen was 3 times the size of the one in Aliens.

 

[Timstuff]

How could the queen lay a secret egg if she didn't have the egg sac to gestate one in? Alien 3 was built on a logical leap, which was the same problem that Terminator 3 had. And the fact that they started Alien 3 by killing off all the characters didn't help.

 

[SalaciousVC]

NECA has just released some official pictures of its upcoming Wolf figure, both masked and unmasked version:

"The Predator's trademark shoulder-mounted Plasma Cannons are jointed, can swivel and pivot up and down, and be folded back when not in use. And just like in AVP: Requiem, they can be removed from the shoulders and used as hand-held guns with attaching battery packs! The interchangeable left hand allows the Predator to hold two weapons at once, and his right hand features retractable blades! All weapons are interchangeable between both the Masked and Unmasked figures."



You can find more pictures on NECA's website.

 

[Theweepeople]

Why do people slate Alien 3 so?

It was very well made....i loved it purely because it had a similar fear factor to Alien (the whole no big guns, just running around airducts/corridors scared poopless)

you all need to show more love...theres no way on gods green and blue earth (with a hint of brown and white where mountains are and yellow where the sand is) that any Alien vs Predator film to be made will ever be better than the original trilogy....your all probably the samer folk who though episodes 1-3 were better than the original trilogy for star wars.....

shame on you...shame on you all.....

I feel no shame towards hating the worst sequel I've ever seen. There are multiple reasons why Alien 3 sucked for me:

The first and most blatant was Fox's teaser trailer I saw in a theater which placed the storyline on earth with a blade runner style setting.

The opening scene of Alien 3 never made any sense to me. The queen had time and room to create another egg sac in the dropship's landing gear during the few minutes it took to leave LV-426 and return to the Sulaco? If all of this did happen what happened to the new egg sac that was formed?!!! Who did the queen get free of the egg sac so quickly? It took her minutes to get herself free of the old one to chase after Ripley.

Before going in hybernation Ripley decided not to check the Dropship for any other alien lifeforms after seeing the queen successfully hide herself
and after considering what happened with her previous encounter 57 years ago with the original alien? Right.

Ripley and the crew also decided not to run a diagnostic of the ship for any alien life forms before going into hybernation. That's way too many plotholes for me too accept.


The 1st five minutes of Alien 3 ruined the final events of Aliens. Hicks, Bishop, and Newts' quick demise was quite shocking in a very bad lazy writing kind of way.


99% of the characters in Alien 3 were forgettable. Ripley was the only one I cared about and she bites the dust.

Overall I think the script is terrible in comparison to the previous films. What was so amusing about putting an alien in an environment with hardened criminals looking for God? This movie was the combination of a wannabe ripoff of the previous films. It couldn't be mysterious like Alien because we already know what the creatures look like. It couldn't have the action of Aliens because the prisoners didn't have any weapons.
As a result of this Alien 3 felt like a lame slasher horror film where no one gives a damn about who the antagonist kills. I sure didn't care much.

The bad special effects of the alien running after the prisoners only made the film worse.


Alien 3 will always be the most disappointing Alien film for me after considering all of the reasons mentioned above. It's certaintly not as bad as all the crap that came after it. However, the crap that came after doesn't bother me as much because my opinion of this franchise after Alien 3 became so low it's almost impossible to disappoint me.

 

[DorkyFresh]

you acknowledged that A:R was worse than A3 so s'all good.

 

[Theweepeople]

How could the queen lay a secret egg if she didn't have the egg sac to gestate one in? Alien 3 was built on a logical leap, which was the same problem that Terminator 3 had. And the fact that they started Alien 3 by killing off all the characters didn't help.

I agree with you on Alien 3. The logic leap is too great for me to accept. However, the Terminator 3 problem didn't bother me because there were other scientists who worked on the same skynet technology with the black scientist who died. Unless those scientists had their memories erased it's feasible that they could start redeveloping all the software and re-enegineering the robotics that had been created. Terminator 3 could have done a much better job explaining this however, I still don't consider it to be a gigantic plothole like the one in Alien 3.

 

[Theweepeople]

you acknowledged that A:R was worse than A3 so s'all good.

This is like me admitting that one turd smells less offensive than the other. Just for the record I would rather watch the crappy A:R than Alien 3 because at least it does not bore me to death.

 

[co2]

wow. I just watched Alien 3 tonight and came to the board to post my thoughts not knowing all of this uproar was going on.
I bought the Alien Triple Pack at Target tonight. I had never bought the Quadrilogy. I rented it because I knew I would never watch all of those features again and didn't want to shell out for it. For some time, I've seen at Target a triple pack which has the first 3 movies in a slim pack case, so you save shelf space. It's the same disks that were released in the previous Alien box set, Legacy collection. The first two movie disk are particularly jammed with great special features anyway. And Aliens is the special edition, which in my book is the only way to fly...all for only $20!! I've actually seen it go on sale for under $18.00 and wish I would have jumped on it at that time. If you are like me, want a wallop of entertainment at a cheap price and want to just ignore Alien Resurrection, it is a great way to go...so I'm really pleased I bought that tonight.

On Alien 3, I just finished it..probably the third or fourth time I've ever sat and watched that film, and for a film I did not like on my initial viewing 15 years ago, it continues to move up the field everytime I see it. I found it to be really tense this time around and it was moving at times. It may well have my favorite music from the series too. Tonally, it fits with the series where Resurrection totally does not. Great acting too. It is obvisous that Fincher was trying to return to the mood of the original. That movie essentially gets a lot of crap because of the high note it comes off of from the previous film..but if you consider it on it's own merit, it's a great movie.

 

[co2]

NECA has just released some official pictures of its upcoming Wolf figure, both masked and unmasked version:

"The Predator's trademark shoulder-mounted Plasma Cannons are jointed, can swivel and pivot up and down, and be folded back when not in use. And just like in AVP: Requiem, they can be removed from the shoulders and used as hand-held guns with attaching battery packs! The interchangeable left hand allows the Predator to hold two weapons at once, and his right hand features retractable blades! All weapons are interchangeable between both the Masked and Unmasked figures."



You can find more pictures on NECA's website.

I may be picking up one of those.

 

[Timstuff]

I agree with you on Alien 3. The logic leap is too great for me to accept. However, the Terminator 3 problem didn't bother me because there were other scientists who worked on the same skynet technology with the black scientist who died. Unless those scientists had their memories erased it's feasible that they could start redeveloping all the software and re-enegineering the robotics that had been created. Terminator 3 could have done a much better job explaining this however, I still don't consider it to be a gigantic plothole like the one in Alien 3.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I liked Terminator 3, moreso than a lot of people. The logic leaps weren't that bad, it's just that you had to swallow that there were things happening during the second movie that you weren't aware of.

In Alien 3 though, you had to accept that the entire movie was built on something that didn't make sense if you saw Aliens, and that all of the emotional investment you had in Aliens gets thrown out right at the beginning. Ripley starts the movie essentially where she was at the end of Alien. Imagine that they just said "Oh, the Alien laid an egg on Ripley's escape pod and it got frozen in deep space," and the movie "Aliens" could have been retconned out of existance, with Alien 3 happening basically the same way it was in the actual movie. It basically took a dump on Aliens, like the writers thought James Cameron ruined the franchise, and that they were fixing it.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

dont see AVP-R twice. second time SUCKS ASS.

 

[Nightwing]

On Alien 3, I just finished it..probably the third or fourth time I've ever sat and watched that film, and for a film I did not like on my initial viewing 15 years ago, it continues to move up the field everytime I see it. I found it to be really tense this time around and it was moving at times. It may well have my favorite music from the series too. Tonally, it fits with the series where Resurrection totally does not. Great acting too. It is obvisous that Fincher was trying to return to the mood of the original. That movie essentially gets a lot of crap because of the high note it comes off of from the previous film..but if you consider it on it's own merit, it's a great movie.

thankyou

ok so yes there are plotholes in Alien 3...there are plotholes in most sequels nowadays but think of it this way.....you have just seen a film created by Cameron and there is not initial intention to make a third (its not like now adays where they plan films in 3 ie matrix,pirates) so how would you create something that would be both scarier than its predecessor and gripping all the way through and on top of that keep it in continuity with Camerons work?

Alien 3 people thats how....Fincher did a fantastic job.....the idea of a lone egg was a good touch i felt....i mean the Queen or any drone alien couldve planted that there at any point in the second one....Or to really put a spanner in the works, it couldve been put there by the writers cos the entire colony was wiped out and for all intensive purposes they couldnt have any more aliens....so they created one....

yes there were a lot of characters you couldnt care to like.....but so what?the films premise is Ripley....she is the one whose goen two films and fought these things.....the fourth has unknown characters in it....the idea of the prison was brilliant....it was an explainable reason as to why they all dont just run outside and let the alien free....they cant...theyre convicts....It had a good cast,a good script and i agree the musical score was brilliant....when ripley falls into the lava clutching the alien....brilliant....tears form everytime....you cant knock this film if you think Terminator 3 is good or AvP 1 or 2 are good....and to think Star Wars episode 3 comes anywhere near the originals....oh my god....

the biggest plot hole from episode 3 to episode 4?

VADER DOESNT LOVE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

the guy who's meant to be the most evil man in the universe killed everyone for someone else....does that not sound odd to you?hes meant to be ruthless selfish and violent...yet he did all he did to save someone he loves...that doesnt sound like someone evil to me....that just sounds like someone determined so dont start complaining about Alien 3's plotholes when you support tripe like that....

 

[Ancracks]

dont see AVP-R twice. second time SUCKS ASS.

I've seen it twice. And the second is actually better cause it's easier to focus on some of the more subtle things and your expectations are tempered too.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

I've seen it twice. And the second is actually better cause it's easier to focus on some of the more subtle things and your expectations are tempered too.

my 2nd time was worse becuz all i saw was the things i disliked...

 

[DoomRulz]

my 2nd time was worse becuz all i saw was the things i disliked...

My 2nd time had me walking outta there with a bigger smile on my face

And why did you see it a 2nd time if u disliked it?