BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - Part 104

[roach]

Guys, we all know Jett is full of fudge

mmmmmm fudge

 

[Chip Chipperson]

do you think we could use construction of the watchtower? or a newly built Hall of Justice at the BvS? It would be a great setup for JL

A shot of watchtower construction at the end of the movie would be amazing

Especially with this playing as the shot fades out:

 

[roach]

A shot of watchtower construction at the end of the movie would be amazing

Especially with this playing as the shot fades out:

I think Im a cylon now

 

[titansupes]

A shot of watchtower construction at the end of the movie would be amazing

The Avengers did that already.

 

[serendipity]

I prefer the Watchtower to the Hall of Justice

 

[Wise]

I doubt we're going to see the watchtower in the DCCU.

a) Because it's kind of a ridiculous concept when you think about it and although it kind of works that Bruce could fund such a thing in the cartoons and comics, in a film with the realistic sensibilities in the style of MoS noone is going to buy that a billionaire can afford a trillion dollar space station. In fact it says something quite disturbing that the heroes could spend such an exhorbitant amount of money (that could conceivable clothe and feed billions of starving people) just because they want a rad space clubhouse.

b) Because it would be sort of weird and awkward to have super powered beings build an orbital space station base, when the Earth is still reeling from a devastating attack from superpowered beings who had an orbital space station base.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

I've found that convincing myself that I am going to love/hate something I haven't seen no matter what is one of life's less profitable enterprises.

You're free to do what you want. But if you're going to go into this movie with your mind already made up, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. You're going to hate it, and frankly I won't feel much sympathy towards your disappointment. Not that you care, of course.

Can this be a sticky for the entire internet?

 

[SpideyFan866]

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but these reports were totally confirmed by WB/DC's recent announcements, and the insider reports that followed.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I doubt we're going to see the watchtower in the DCCU.

a) Because it's kind of a ridiculous concept when you think about it and although it kind of works that Bruce could fund such a thing in the cartoons and comics, in a film with the realistic sensibilities in the style of MoS noone is going to buy that a billionaire can afford a trillion dollar space station. In fact it says something quite disturbing that the heroes could spend such an exhorbitant amount of money (that could conceivable clothe and feed billions of starving people) just because they want a rad space clubhouse.

b) Because it would be sort of weird and awkward to have super powered beings build an orbital space station base, when the Earth is still reeling from a devastating attack from superpowered beings who had an orbital space station base.

Is it really established that the satellite took trillions to make? You got "gods" with powers that range all over the map to build (some of whom could conceivable actually be richer than Bruce. Want to guess what the royal treasury of Atlantis and Paradise Isle is worth in comparison? I'm sure both are filled with antique gold and gems) it and then put it into orbit so, I think that could be overstating things by just a teansy bit. As far as I know I don't think a specific price tag was ever put on it, and I don't think if it was that it came to over a trillion dollars. It's an HQ built with a group effort so it's not really all about Bruce. Classically it's filled with technology Bruce would have no clue how to reproduce or built from the various aliens that are part of the team.

 

[Jekecy]

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed, but these reports were totally confirmed by WB/DC's recent announcements, and the insider reports that followed.

Yeah, I had a feeling those reports were real. It'll be interesting if Snyder and co. manage to keep the ending/cliffhanger a secret all the way into release.

Zod's death was spoiled for me unfortunately, so I might have to take a sabbatical from these forums a couple weeks before it premieres.

 

[Verick808]

I don't think a space station made by the Justice league would have anywhere near the cost anywhere near as much as it would cost for a corporation or a government. They wouldn't have to fly small pieces of it up one by one by shuttle since Superman could just fly it into space. Cyborg could probably design it himself. There's always a chance it could be a spaceship from an invading force that the League retrofits as a HQ satellite. I'm fine with the Hall of Justice but Watchtower is still cooler.

 

[DaJanksta]

I hope supes has a fortress

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I don't think a space station made by the Justice league would have anywhere near the cost anywhere near as much as it would cost for a corporation or a government. They wouldn't have to fly small pieces of it up one by one by shuttle since Superman could just fly it into space. Cyborg could probably design it himself. There's always a chance it could be a spaceship from an invading force that the League retrofits as a HQ satellite. I'm fine with the Hall of Justice but Watchtower is still cooler.

Why not both I say. I really liked the idea from Young Justice that the Watchtower was secret (there's your Batman influence for sure) and that the Hall of Justice was a PR ploy for the public and to give the villains a target that if destroyed actually wouldn't harm League operations.

 

[Bran The Man]

It would be cool to see what Zack Snyder's version of the FOS would look like for this Superman, assuming that scout ship from MOS wasn't our only "Fortress".

 

[ChrisB]

Regardless of the source, I don't think the idea of a teaser trailer in December is too farfetched, considering they already showed a teaser this year. Then we can get the first full trailer next summer.... maybe another next winter, and then finally one more before the release. TDKR had a teaser and 3 full trailers. I know there were a lot of trailers for MOS too.

 

[Wise]

Is it really established that the satellite took trillions to make? You got "gods" with powers that range all over the map to build (some of whom could conceivable actually be richer than Bruce. Want to guess what the royal treasury of Atlantis and Paradise Isle is worth in comparison? I'm sure both are filled with antique gold and gems) it and then put it into orbit so, I think that could be overstating things by just a teansy bit. As far as I know I don't think a specific price tag was ever put on it, and I don't think if it was that it came to over a trillion dollars. It's an HQ built with a group effort so it's not really all about Bruce. Classically it's filled with technology Bruce would have no clue how to reproduce or built from the various aliens that are part of the team.

Trillion dollars is a pretty conservative evaluation when it comes to the watchtower. The ISS cost 100 Billion and that's basically just a few corridors and rooms with basic labs. Watchtower is essentially a skyscraper in space.

Personally I think the watchtower is just too out there of a concept. I liked the fact that the JLU cartoon basically questioned it's existence as several military and civilian characters noted how ominous it was to have the equivalent of gods sitting up in space on a giant weaponized space station. It just feels saturday morning cartoonish to me. A floating space base.

 

[jmc]

It would be cool to see what Zack Snyder's version of the FOS would look like for this Superman, assuming that scout ship from MOS wasn't our only "Fortress".

I assumed it was.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Regardless of the source, I don't think the idea of a teaser trailer in December is too farfetched, considering they already showed a teaser this year. Then we can get the first full trailer next summer.... maybe another next winter, and then finally one more before the release. TDKR had a teaser and 3 full trailers. I know there were a lot of trailers for MOS too.

I am totally down with the idea that they follow the MOS pattern of trailers only of course in the context of this film. Two teasers with similar footage only one with narration for Superman and one focused on Batman would be great to me. I would just ask for more footage than the Jor-el/Kent one's we got which were not that spectacular.

 

[Jekecy]

Trillion dollars is a pretty conservative evaluation when it comes to the watchtower. The ISS cost 100 Billion and that's basically just a few corridors and rooms with basic labs. Watchtower is essentially a skyscraper in space.

Personally I think the watchtower is just too out there of a concept. I liked the fact that the JLU cartoon basically questioned it's existence as several military and civilian characters noted how ominous it was to have the equivalent of gods sitting up in space on a giant weaponized space station. It just feels saturday morning cartoonish to me. A floating space base.

I can't justify looking down on the Watchtower as an out there or silly concept, when the very property we're discussing involves a ragtag group of gods from alien planets and dimensions.

 

[Bran The Man]

I assumed it was.

You might be right. I guess we'll see in BvS.

 

[ChrisB]

I am totally down with the idea that they follow the MOS pattern of trailers only of course in the context of this film. Two teasers with similar footage only one with narration for Superman and one focused on Batman would be great to me. I would just ask for more footage than the Jor-el/Kent one's we got which were not that spectacular.

Yeah, I didn't follow MOS too closely, but I remember there were 2 versions of the teaser. If BOF is hearing there's a "Batman heavy" teaser, maybe there's a Superman heavy one as well.

Anyone know how many trailers there were for MOS?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Trillion dollars is a pretty conservative evaluation when it comes to the watchtower. The ISS cost 100 Billion and that's basically just a few corridors and rooms with basic labs. Watchtower is essentially a skyscraper in space.

Personally I think the watchtower is just too out there of a concept. I liked the fact that the JLU cartoon basically questioned it's existence as several military and civilian characters noted how ominous it was to have the equivalent of gods sitting up in space on a giant weaponized space station. It just feels saturday morning cartoonish to me. A floating space base.

Once again though, what made getting the ISS as expensive as it is? The cost of A. the materials but mostly B. getting it into orbit. Building it and putting it up there are going to be a fraction with the talent and powers of the people involved I think. YMMV

 

[jmc]

You might be right. I guess we'll see in BvS.

I could be wrong but I just assumed that was new interpretation of the FOS given its location. Was there any word from the creative team as to whether it was suppose to be?

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Yeah, I didn't follow MOS too closely, but I remember there were 2 versions of the teaser. If BOF is hearing there's a "Batman heavy" teaser, maybe there's a Superman heavy one as well.

Anyone know how many trailers there were for MOS?

Teasers (Jor-El and Pa Kent narrated)-July 2012
Trailer #1-Decemeber 2012
Trailer #2-April 2013
"Fate of your Planet" trailer-May 2013
Nokia trailer-June 2013

 

[Bran The Man]

I could be wrong but I just assumed that was new interpretation of the FOS given its location. Was there any word from the creative team as to whether it was suppose to be?

I'm not sure. I think it's mostly just referred to as the scout ship. I think it may have been the Fortress too with it being in the Arctic, containing the suit, and having a genesis chamber.