BvS All Things Batman v Superman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 2

[False Prophet]

And let's also not forget the x-factor in all this: Lex's manipulation.

 

[Boy Scout]

You don't destroy someone just because they MIGHT go bad. ANYONE can go bad.

Superman isn't anyone. A five minute temper tantrum from him can level an entire city. You're applying ordinary standards to an extraordinary man. You don't treat a nuclear bomb the same way you would a grenade.

 

[TDKR1977]

Ever since we heard that line I've been suspicious on whether there is actually any modulating at all and Affleck can just do that with his voice.

That's nuts if he can.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I think that's his real voice. Which should be the Batvoice :/ It's amazing that I'm complaining about Affleck being too good

 

[Cats]

You don't destroy someone just because they MIGHT go bad. ANYONE can go bad. Bruce is completely ignoring that fact. His behavior reminds me of Minority Report, where criminals are arrested for potential crimes. That is not only against civil liberties but totally illogical and leads to disaster.

You probably haven't seen Justice League: Doom. Batman tends to make these decisions both discreetly and indiscreetly, whether or not they're logical or against civil liberties.

[YT]GhLfvRogiTk[/YT]

 

[Rapunzel]

You realize that people are capable of going crazy, changing their behaviors, and acting out of character, right? Apply those possibilities to a man who can see through walls, shoot fire from his eyes, and fly. All Bruce has to go on in the beginning is Superman's word that he won't go bad, and frankly, that wouldn't be enough for me if the latter was a real person.

I think you're looking at this from the perspective of someone who knows that Superman won't go bad, as opposed to a character in the universe he inhabits. That person doesn't have the benefit of comic books, video games, television series, and movies to tell them that Superman is a good person.

Um....no. Superman kept the world from being destroyed in MoS. If it was real life, I'd be grateful and give him the benefit of the doubt until I saw a change occur. When you owe someone your freaking life, wanting to kill them because they are more powerful than you is absurdly ungrateful.

This has nothing to do with my knowledge of Superman lore...but is based on how I feel Superman's actions proved his worth in MoS.

 

[blumatic]

Wow.

The Cavill and Affleck spots were amazing.

Just give Snyder a team and he'll take you home. The dialogue is more sophisticated in MOS (never found anything wrong with it in MOS).

The visuals remain spectacular. The caliber of superheroes involved.

This movie is an event.

 

[flickchick85]

Have we actually seen Bruce saying "he brought the war to us"?

 

[Rapunzel]

You probably haven't seen Justice League: Doom. Batman tends to make these decisions both discreetly and indiscreetly, whether or not they're logical or against civil liberties.

[YT]GhLfvRogiTk[/YT]

I've seen that before. Didn't agree with Bats either.

 

[TDKR1977]

Um....no. Superman kept the world from being destroyed in MoS. If it was real life, I'd be grateful and give him the benefit of the doubt until I saw a change occur. When you owe someone your freaking life, wanting to kill them because they are more powerful than you is absurdly ungrateful.

This has nothing to do with my knowledge of Superman lore...but is based on how I feel Superman's actions proved his worth in MoS.

You're also not a guy that lost everything he loved and spends his nights crippling criminals, so...

 

[matt47]

Have we actually seen Bruce saying "he brought the war to us"?

Not before the spot. Seriously guys, that is my favorite piece of marketing we have seen yet. I have nothing negative to say. It was perfect.

 

[Cats]

Have we actually seen Bruce saying "he brought the war to us"?

First time in TV spot #4. It was just a voice-over before.

 

[Boy Scout]

Um....no. Superman kept the world from being destroyed in MoS.

That sentence does nothing to address any of the points I made. People change. People go bad. People do terrible things at the drop of a hat. There is literally no reason for Bruce to assume that Superman will remain benevolent until the day he dies. The consequences of Superman going bad completely eclipse the possibilities of you or I going bad, even if the odds are at 1%. Again: you're applying ordinary standards to an extraordinary man.

If it was real life, I'd be grateful and give him the benefit of the doubt until I saw a change occur.

And at that point, it'd be too late. We'd all be dead. You don't just sit around and wait for Superman to go bad.

 

[TDKR1977]

Have we actually seen Bruce saying "he brought the war to us"?

Yes. New TV spot. https://***********/BatmanvSuperman/status/691440801906176002

 

[Pickleweasel]

Have we actually seen Bruce saying "he brought the war to us"?

yes, he clearly says it in the spot

 

[Rapunzel]

Superman isn't anyone. A five minute temper tantrum from him can level an entire city. You're applying ordinary standards to an extraordinary man. You don't treat a nuclear bomb the same way you would a grenade.

True, but just because a nuclear bomb might go off, doesn't mean you destroy it. If that was the case, nobody would have them.

 

[Forever Evil]

Have we actually seen Bruce saying "he brought the war to us"?

Not until now I believe. Before it was used over scenes of Superman/Zod colliding in the air.

 

[Zordan]

http://comicbook.com/2016/01/25/kevin-smith-says-ben-affleck-looks-like-the-best-batman-so-far/

my boy big kev smith explained it perfectly.

 

[ernesth100]

I still think it's more of a case of Batman showing Superman that just incase he gets any ideas about being more restrictive and taking over the Earth or something that there are humans who can take him down and in this case, make him bleed. Install fear inside Superman incase he ever thinks about getting out of line. But not kill him. Not yet atleast.

And then there is Lex who's guiding the battle as well. Good spot.

 

[flickchick85]

Yes. New TV spot. https://***********/BatmanvSuperman/status/691440801906176002

Interesting, thanks. I too had assumed he was wearing the suit when saying that line.

 

[Knightfall]

I just love the fact that we actually have two sides to the dispute between Bats and Supes. It's a very good logical reason they both have to hate one another. When this film was first announced I figured it was just going to be

Act 1: They find out about each other and have no solid reason to fight but do so anyway.

Act 2: They go off and train

Act 3: They punch for a bit... They punch for a bit, now they're mates.


*Whispers* Ya d***head.

 

[Marvin]

He thinks it's acceptable to destroy Superman if there is even a 1% percent chance he's evil. He thinks a 1% chance deserves to be treated as an absolute certainty.

That is no way rational, and should not be treated as such.

Looks like Snyder and Affleck have done it.
Batman has finally arrived.

 

[Boy Scout]

True, but just because a nuclear bomb might go off, doesn't mean you destroy it. If that was the case, nobody would have them.

If nuclear bombs were living, breathing people who answered to no one but themselves, I don't think we'd be content to let them be.

 

[TDKR1977]

True, but just because a nuclear bomb might go off, doesn't mean you destroy it. If that was the case, nobody would have them.

Nuclear weapons don't have their own minds and motivations.

 

[TDKR1977]

Interesting, thanks. I too had assumed he was wearing the suit when saying that line.

You're welcome, and I think most of us did.