BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion

[BH/HHH]

I'm not toooooo worried about miller because at least he recognizes his portrayal of Superman was not favorable to the character because that isn't the story he was telling:



http://www.comicscube.com/2010/05/clearing-up-misconception-about-frank.html

But after saying that he then portrayed Superman in a far worse light about two decades later in Strikes Again and in All Star B&R. I honestly think he may have said that just because he was working for DC.

 

[Krumm]

That quote still doesn't give reason for making Superman the way he was done in that crap
I hate The Dark Knight Returns, never liked it

But after saying that he then portrayed Superman in a far worse light about two decades later in Strikes Again and in All Star B&R. I honestly think he may have said that just because he was working for DC.

I'm just tying to find some silver lining no matter how fleeting...

Honestly though, I thought both characters came off looking pretty bad in TDKR, which I guess shouldn't bode well for this meeting by that logic.

 

[king666]

About the plot:
I honestly think Batman is already a thing in this universe. They'll probably get an older Batman. He is back after a few years, Supes goes after him, they fight, they become friends, they kick another villain's ass.

 

[Krumm]

About the plot:
I honestly think Batman is already a thing in this universe. They'll probably get an older Batman. He is back after a few years, Supes goes after him, they fight, they become friends, they kick another villain's ass.

I wouldn't mind if they are both investigating Luthor and run into each other. Ultimately Batman serves as Superman's sidekick because Luthor should be left to Superman alone and assuming this is a Superman sequel.

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm just tying to find some silver lining no matter how fleeting...

Honestly though, I thought both characters came off looking pretty bad in TDKR, which I guess shouldn't bode well for this meeting by that logic.

I agree, they both do in the book for sure, but it works as an else worlds story.

 

[BatLobster]

Won't it be kind of repetitive if we get another "Batman comes out of retirement" story loosely based on DKReturns when the last Batman movie was already a "Batman comes out of retirement" story loosely based on DKReturns?

I mean I'm all for a more seasoned Batman, just wondering why it has to be him coming out of retirement rather than just "in his prime".

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I agree, they both do in the book for sure, but it works as an else worlds story.

I feel like TDKR showed Batman near his breaking point. Push the character further, and it just isn't Batman to me.

I view TDKR to be an EXTREME portrayal of the character though, and shouldn't be the main source for "standard Batman."

Putting TDKR Batman in Legends of TDK makes me appreciate TAS' approach more. I'm actually more for augmented Miller (The Long Halloween is based off of Year One's Batman) than the pure Frank Miller experience. His female characters tend to be weak, and he tends to mock the DCverse rather than respect it.

Year One's like the only version of his Batman that isn't absolutely psychotic in some way.

And yes, beating up someone in a robotic suit who is bigger than you and just wants to talk counts as pretty darn crazy to me.

 

[BH/HHH]

Won't it be kind of repetitive if we get another "Batman comes out of retirement" story loosely based on DKReturns when the last Batman movie was already a "Batman comes out of retirement" story loosely based on DKReturns?

I mean I'm all for a more seasoned Batman, just wondering why it has to be him coming out of retirement rather than just "in his prime".

Yeah that won't happen, they're rebooting Batman they'll get a younger actor someone more around Cavill's age.

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

No way Batman will not be old Just because the Inspiration came from Dark Knight Returns
Batman will just as Young as Superman otherwise It will Ruin the Charm of the movie .
Batman and superman will both be established Superhero Icons In this sequel .
WB don't Want to loose another Millions do they .
Also They are certainly Trying to Test a Team up Movie before Doing A JL movie .

 

[BH/HHH]

I feel like TDKR showed Batman near his breaking point. Push the character further, and it just isn't Batman to me.

I view TDKR to be an EXTREME portrayal of the character though, and shouldn't be the main source for "standard Batman."

Putting TDKR Batman in Legends of TDK makes me appreciate TAS' approach more. I'm actually more for augmented Miller (The Long Halloween is based off of Year One's Batman) than the pure Frank Miller experience. His female characters tend to be weak, and he tends to mock the DCverse rather than respect it.

Year One's like the only version of his Batman that isn't absolutely psychotic in some way.

And yes, beating up someone in a robotic suit who is bigger than you and just wants to talk counts as pretty darn crazy to me.

Agreed in that

 

[Mysteryman]

No way Batman will not be old Just because the Inspiration came from Dark Knight Returns
Batman will just as Young as Superman otherwise It will Ruin the Charm of the movie .
Batman and superman will both be established Superhero Icons In this sequel .
WB don't Want to loose another Millions do they .
Also They are certainly Trying to Test a Team up Movie before Doing A JL movie .

Well he cant be as old as Bruce was In The Dark Knight Returns and Snyder made it very clear that he wasnt adapting Millers graphic novel .
The inspiration didnt come from The Dark Knight Returns, the quote did .

 

[king666]

Won't it be kind of repetitive if we get another "Batman comes out of retirement" story loosely based on DKReturns when the last Batman movie was already a "Batman comes out of retirement" story loosely based on DKReturns?

I mean I'm all for a more seasoned Batman, just wondering why it has to be him coming out of retirement rather than just "in his prime".

Yes, it would be repetitive. But Zack Snyder said they're kinda using TDKR, so I think it's a possibility. And yeah, I think WB is looking for a young actor. Some people will probably be like "Batman is not Christian Bale? **** this", so they're probably looking for a big name.

Batman should be on the superhero business before Supes.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well he cant be as old as Bruce was In The Dark Knight Returns and Snyder made it very clear that he wasnt adapting Millers graphic novel .
The inspiration didnt come from The Dark Knight Returns, the quote did .

Oh yeah he used the quote to reveal that Superman and Batman were going to be in a film together. But the reveal that he's going to talk to Miler about it is worrying.

 

[STARMAN]

Pretty soon we'll find out Superman is not even a part of this film.

 

[BatLobster]

I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Jerry Robinson was technically a "consultant" on TDK. Yeah, wonder how much "input" he had there...

I think it's just a formality, and Snyder is going to Miller as friend to say, "Look we're taking some inspiration from your book but we're not directly adapting it. Please don't slam us in the press because we're doing our own thing here, not adapting your book."

That's just my take. I highly doubt he's like, "We have no idea to do here plz help us Frank!"

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Jerry Robinson was technically a "consultant" on TDK. Yeah, wonder how much "input" he had there...

I think it's just a formality, and Snyder is going to Miller as friend to say, "Look we're taking some inspiration from your book but we're not directly adapting it. Please don't slam us in the press because we're doing our own thing here, not adapting your book."

That's just my take. I highly doubt he's like, "We have no idea to do here plz help us Frank!"

Okay, that would comfort me. Everybody repost this. It makes me fear a little less scared.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Won't it be kind of repetitive if we get another "Batman comes out of retirement" story loosely based on DKReturns when the last Batman movie was already a "Batman comes out of retirement" story loosely based on DKReturns?

I agree with that, last year WB released two Batman movies having Batman coming out of retirment

 

[The Guard]

Oh, the overreactions...

 

[DChero]

I agree with that, last year WB released two Batman movies having Batman coming out of retirment

Weren't The Dark Knight Rises, The Dark Knight Returns P1 and P2 all in the same year? I'd count it as three since they were separate releases.

 

[BH/HHH]

Weren't The Dark Knight Rises, The Dark Knight Returns P1 and P2 all in the same year? I'd count it as three since they were separate releases.

Part 1 was the year before

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Weren't The Dark Knight Rises, The Dark Knight Returns P1 and P2 all in the same year? I'd count it as three since they were separate releases.

The Dark Knight Returns part 2 was released January this year

 

[Bathead]

Oh yeah he used the quote to reveal that Superman and Batman were going to be in a film together. But the reveal that he's going to talk to Miler about it is worrying.

I'm not a huge fan of a Miller in the least, but, really, him talking to Miller is a big non-issue. Talk is cheap, any advice that Miller might give him, he really doesn't have to listen to. Now on the other hand, if Miller were to be hired as a consultant, it might be a cause for concern, but even then Snyder wouldn't have to listen to him.
Just like most of the other concerns and hand-wringing I've seen so far (mostly from Superman fans it seems) It's much ado about nothing at this point, considering how very little is known so far.

 

[BatLobster]

I'm not a huge fan of a Miller in the least, but, really, him talking to Miller is a big non-issue. Talk is cheap, any advice that Miller might give him, he really doesn't have to listen to. Now on the other hand, if Miller were to be hired as a consultant, it might be a cause for concern, but even then Snyder wouldn't have to listen to him.
Just like most of the other concerns and hand-wringing I've seen so far (mostly from Superman fans it seems) It's much ado about nothing at this point, considering how very little is known so far.

THANK YOU. That's what's bugging me about people's reactions. You'd think Snyder was about to sit in on a hypnosis session with Miller. He's his own person, perfectly capable of independent thought. He and Goyer have probably already cracked the story anyway. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Goyer's first draft is already done.

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm not a huge fan of a Miller in the least, but, really, him talking to Miller is a big non-issue. Talk is cheap, any advice that Miller might give him, he really doesn't have to listen to. Now on the other hand, if Miller were to be hired as a consultant, it might be a cause for concern, but even then Snyder wouldn't have to listen to him.
Just like most of the other concerns and hand-wringing I've seen so far (mostly from Superman fans it seems) It's much ado about nothing at this point, considering how very little is known so far.

Oh yeah it could be meaningless but on the other hand maybe not. We just gotta wait and see.

I think one if the reasons any little bit of information is getting so much chit chat is we really having nothing to talk about.

 

[The Guard]

It should also be pointed out that Snyder and Miller likely have a solid working relationship at this point.

Have people forgotten 300?

Still, I don't see why people hear "DKR will inform the story for Batman/Superman" and are more or less okay with it, but freak out just because Snyder meets with the author of said work.