BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion

[Spider-Aziz]

It should also be pointed out that Snyder and Miller likely have a solid working relationship at this point.

Have people forgotten 300?

I didn't watch the whole movie, it's depressing

Still, I don't see why people hear "DKR will inform the story for Batman/Superman" and are more or less okay with it, but freak out just because Snyder meets with the author of said work.

I don't think I heard this before now
I hope the inspiration is mild, just borrowing a few panels, but not in the $#%^^)( manner of DKR

 

[Smallville13]

http://www.batman-on-film.com/BATMAN-REBOOTED_BvS_rumor_Batman-BW-older-in-BvS_8-1-13.html

If this is true, they may as well cast Christian Bale. If it is, it definitely informs that at some point it was Snyder/Goyer's intention to combine the two worlds. They were probably so pleased with how well the visual tone could fit in with the TDK universe. Too bad it won't happen after MOS' critical reception though. Woulda been nice just to have Anne as Catwoman again!

 

[Herolee10]

I think it actually makes more sense for Batman to be much older in this film, let alone to not be introduced as a rookie since if he were still a rookie then he wouldn't likely have time to worry about Metropolis and would be focused in getting used to dealing with Gotham.

 

[The Guard]

It's difficult to take Jett seriously when he calls Josh Duhamel a very good actor.

And most of the rest of the time.

 

[Lencho01]

So, does this mean Bruce waited until his 40s to become Batman after being inspired by Superman? And I thought I had problems with Clark wandering around aimlessly until his 30s. t:

 

[Deserana]

It could be a 20 year experienced Batman who ventured to Metropolis after the events of MoS.

The only issue I have at the moment is IF they are in some form adapting TDKR that they will not convince in making Clark a complete d**k through the course of this film if it takes place soon after MoS.

 

[Lencho01]

But, didn't Goyer say Superman is the first superhero in this universe?

 

[Herolee10]

They could either say that they changed their plans about who debuted first since then or that Batman was more of an urban myth for the longest time and that Superman is the first publicly accepted hero that debuted onto the scene, or something to that effect.

Plus, imho, it doesn't really make sense for a young Bruce to get involved into this at such a early stage in his career because one would think that he'd be more concerned with getting established in Gotham and taking care of that city before he started thinking on a global scale.

 

[Deserana]

But, didn't Goyer say Superman is the first superhero in this universe?

Wow really... that was kinda... stupid.

 

[Lencho01]

They could either say that they changed their plans about who debuted first since then or that Batman was more of an urban myth for the longest time and that Superman is the first publicly accepted hero that debuted onto the scene, or something to that effect.

Plus, imho, it doesn't really make sense for a young Bruce to get involved into this at such a early stage in his career because one would think that he'd be more concerned with getting established in Gotham and taking care of that city before he started thinking on a global scale.

10-20 years seems pretty long for someone like Batman to just remain an urban myth.

Wow really... that was kinda... stupid.

But, isn't that how it usually is in the comics?

 

[Deserana]

But, isn't that how it usually is in the comics?

My knowledge of the comics isn't great but if this was a team-up film that makes sense. But they cant honestly have a brand new Batman (character wise) come up against this Superman and have S lose? And have everyone believe it?

If he was new and whilst a little conflict (no physical combat) they team up to take some one down that would work but not a vs film.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

My knowledge of the comics isn't great but if this was a team-up film that makes sense. But they cant honestly have a brand new Batman (character wise) come up against this Superman and have S lose? And have everyone believe it?

If he was new and whilst a little conflict (no physical combat) they team up to take some one down that would work but not a vs film.

A versus film is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. I think the fans (myself included) want a brief skirmish, but not a long-term opposition.

As soon as it comes down to WINNER vs LOSER, Superman would have to go down, to appease the general audience and BatSnobs.

Stalemate is the only really fair way to do it, though I would like them to allude to Superman rolling with the punches so that Batman's hand remains intact.

 

[Lencho01]

My knowledge of the comics isn't great but if this was a team-up film that makes sense. But they cant honestly have a brand new Batman (character wise) come up against this Superman and have S lose? And have everyone believe it?

If he was new and whilst a little conflict (no physical combat) they team up to take some one down that would work but not a vs film.

From my understanding Superman's usually the first and within months Bruce figures out how he exactly he wants to dress up while fighting crime.

Thus far, this doesn't sound much like a team up film to me.

 

[Marvin]

The audience ratings discrepancies between MOS and STM on RT and IMDB is surprisingly telling.

Then again, not really.

 

[BatLobster]

IMO, a VS. film is an awesome idea with a lot of potential. And it's the right way to get the general audience interested in this film.

Bottom line, Batman and Superman should have a complex relationship. They are going to have some major issues to sort about before they can work together. I don't want to see a brief skirmish, that is such a cop out if they're going to market this film as them "facing off" (which is how they worded it in the press release).

And as far as making it "fair". Pretty simple...let them have two fights in the film. Batman wins one, Superman wins the other. Let the story dictate which order that happens in. But that would keep things on an even keel as far as "fan bragging rights" goes.

To be honest, I could care less who wins. I just want to see a good story. It's pretty childish to really care about who wins the fight. We all know that they'll be on the same team either by the end of the film, or by the next film. As long as it's portrayed in an epic way that makes me feel awe and wonder, I'll be happy even if Batman ends up getting his ass kicked. And I'm one of those pesky BatSnobs.

 

[Lencho01]

I don't see how a versus film would get people more excited than a simple team up.

And I don't see how it won't look ridiculous given how they handled things in MOS.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't see how a versus film would get people more excited than a simple team up.

And I don't see how it won't look ridiculous given how they handled things in MOS.

Indeed; plus when you consider on how a versus angle will just create more hostility between the fans of both characters along with how Superman's the character that needs more of a stronger footing to hold his own franchise, I think a team up angle in a buddy cop style would also work.

 

[BatLobster]

I don't see how a versus film would get people more excited than a simple team up.

And I don't see how it won't look ridiculous given how they handled things in MOS.

It has more intrigue to it. Why are they fighting? Who will win? Etc. People will want to know.

Not that a team up wouldn't get people more excited, but as you said it's...simple. They need to distinguish this from The Avengers as much as possible IMO.

Indeed; plus when you consider on how a versus angle will just create more hostility between the fans of both characters along with how Superman's the character that needs more of a stronger footing to hold his own franchise, I think a team up angle in a buddy cop style would also work.

Hostility or not, it'll get us TALKING. It's already getting us talking. And all of us are going to buy a ticket no matter what.

And buddy cop style?

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i prefer a psychological battle between the two as opposed to a full on fight. bruce knowing right off the bat would make it a fairer "fight". they shouldn't go from fighting to full on bromance.

 

[Herolee10]

Plus, when I think about it, no matter what way you put it, a fight between batman and Superman is always going to be unfair on some level since Superman is physically stronger than Batman or that Batman will have some trump card that will miraculously beat Superman.

This film is already alienating quite a bit of fans as it is and turning this into a full on "who's better than the other" thing could make it worse.

This film already comes off as nothing more than a gimmick film, with no substance to back it up at the moment.

At the end of the day, I can say **** off Batman because I would rather get a great Superman story than a ****** and crappy ass movie with the two.

 

[Deserana]

IMO, a VS. film is an awesome idea with a lot of potential. And it's the right way to get the general audience interested in this film.

Bottom line, Batman and Superman should have a complex relationship. They are going to have some major issues to sort about before they can work together. I don't want to see a brief skirmish, that is such a cop out if they're going to market this film as them "facing off" (which is how they worded it in the press release).

And as far as making it "fair". Pretty simple...let them have two fights in the film. Batman wins one, Superman wins the other. Let the story dictate which order that happens in. But that would keep things on an even keel as far as "fan bragging rights" goes.

To be honest, I could care less who wins. I just want to see a good story. It's pretty childish to really care about who wins the fight. We all know that they'll be on the same team either by the end of the film, or by the next film. As long as it's portrayed in an epic way that makes me feel awe and wonder, I'll be happy even if Batman ends up getting his ass kicked. And I'm one of those pesky BatSnobs.

I agree with this. Though for me it has to at least be a 5 or so years experienced Batman. I just don't I'd believe a brand new Batman who comes AFTER the events of MoS could deliver a remotely even fight with Superman.

 

[BatLobster]

I think if WB is smart they could use the "who's better" thing to their advantage. Imagine all the social networking possibilities. You can have the Batman centric facebook page and the Superman centric facebook page. Viral marketing for each character. They could make it really fun and get people into the spirit of the geekiness of it all. Yes, the fans will get passionate and heated about it, but seriously when is that ever NOT the case?

I think people are being overly insecure and missing the big picture of how potentially FUN this could be for all of us.

I agree with this. Though for me it has to at least be a 5 or so years experienced Batman. I just don't I'd believe a brand new Batman who comes AFTER the events of MoS could deliver a remotely even fight with Superman.

I agree with that. I'm glad that seems to be the direction things are heading in.

 

[Lencho01]

Indeed; plus when you consider on how a versus angle will just create more hostility between the fans of both characters along with how Superman's the character that needs more of a stronger footing to hold his own franchise, I think a team up angle in a buddy cop style would also work.

What they need to do is make it a mix of HISHE and JL8. t:

It has more intrigue to it. Why are they fighting? Who will win? Etc. People will want to know.

Not that a team up wouldn't get people more excited, but as you said it's...simple. They need to distinguish this from The Avengers as much as possible IMO.

I really don't understand how this would add more intrigue to it. It just makes it sound really dumb that a normal guy can even stand a chance to the type of power we saw in MOS. I can seriously see people laughing at it. I know I would.

Simple isn't bad. When you make things more complicated than they really need to be, that's when you can run into problems. People aren't going to be turned off by the idea of a team up between Superman and Batman just because they've seen something similar before.

 

[BatLobster]

I really don't understand how this would add more intrigue to it. It just makes it sound really dumb that a normal guy can even stand a chance to the type of power we saw in MOS. I can seriously see people laughing at it. I know I would.

If you don't understand why pitting the two most iconic and legendary superheroes of all time against each other and marketing it as this epic clash of the titans doesn't add intrigue for the general public, I don't know what else to say.

I keep saying...we saw Superman get his ass handed to him by Lex in SR, in one of the most brutal on-screen superhero beatdowns ever (that at Bane breaking the Bat are the two worst). Superman famously has a weakness with kryptonite. It's needed as a plot device to get him INTO jams as much as Batman's utility belt is needed as a plot device to get him out of jams.

Everyone knows Superman's weakness. Just because MoS didn't introduce kryptonite doesn't mean the general public has forgotten it exists. I think people can put two and two together that Batman wouldn't be engaging him in any sort of fight if he didn't have an equalizer.

 

[Tempest]

I honestly am not sure that this film is about the guys battling each other too much. I think that Snyder came out with the news in a way that would generate a lot of buzz and controversy.

The Avengers is coming out with another film. Big deal. But we have Superman and Batman joining up! And probably fighting each other!

I'm hoping that they are just playing the title up to get people talking, and that it's not really what they're going to call the film.

My biggest fear with the film is that they will go too far with Batman. Now, I love me some Batman. But in the one film where Joker kidnapped Lois, wow, they made Batman ridiculous. Superman came off as being really stupid and slow, and Batman had to save the day constantly. Ehhhhhhhhhh.

I won't mind if Batman figures out and exploits a weakness of Superman's (especially if he's led to it by Lex Luthor!), but I will be extremely annoyed if Batman has an answer to every problem ever in the entire world. I till be even more irritated if Batman's utility belt once again holds the key to every problem they ever face ever. Batman's Crazy Preparedness is ridiculous to the point of boredom. And it's ridiculous to think that he'd be carrying so much gear around and it doesn't rattle or accidentally explode somehow while he's running around, punching bad guys, and diving off of rooftops.

When you have two characters like Superman and Batman, things can get really stupid really fast. I'm hopeful that the writers will not fall into the trope of having Batman be ridiculously prepared, while Superman is hopelessly blundering around like a fool.