All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion

[Black Narcissus]

What if they change it so the lasso doesn't force people to tell the truth, but let Diana knows if they are telling the truth or not? Like Daredevil listening heartbeats...

She would feel the heartbeats and/or feel some magical vital energies, IDK...

It would make it sound less silly and it's more in line with the polygraph allusion. And it would depend on her own skills to analyze the signs and to make strategic questions in order to know what she wants.

I don't find it silly at all. Hell, I would kinda want to see her spin.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Just a thought. But I'm confident they will try to find a more complex explanation for it.

 

[Mad Love]

What if they change it so the lasso doesn't force people to tell the truth, but let Diana knows if they are telling the truth or not? Like Daredevil listening heartbeats...

Then they could just not talk and stay quiet. If they change it, I rather it be more like a telepathic link that allows her to see inside their mind and find the truth, but I don't really see why that's any better than how it already is. It's still magic either way.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

This aspect of the lasso has been rarely portrayed after Crisis anyway. I think it will be the case in the movie. Not something she uses on every bad guy to tell where their boss is or to know how to prevent the bomb from exploding and tropes like that. The lasso will be used as a weapon/gadget most of the time (specially because of its indestructible nature, and maybe its feature to stretch indefinitely), then used as the truth power for the biggest moment, and in a more unconventional way.

 

[haephestus]

What if they change it so the lasso doesn't force people to tell the truth, but let Diana knows if they are telling the truth or not? Like Daredevil listening heartbeats...

Personally, I'm fine with the lasso being a magical item. If they're introducing Aquaman, The Flash, Green Lantern, etc into the DC Movie Universe, then a magical item which compels people to tell the truth isn't that much of a stretch.

They can always use the explanation from Thor - what is magic to one person/culture is science to another - if needed. Or I vaguely recall a fan (?) theory that the lasso has never been a magical item, but Diana's force of will intimidates anyone bound by the lasso such that they tell the truth. It's Diana's version of Batman's preferred method of dangling someone off the top of a building.

But, I'm happy for it to be magic. Heck, if Wonder Woman herself is a demi-goddess, then they're planning on introducing the Greek gods however they spin them (i.e. from another dimension, from outer space or whatever) so if there were beings who were essentially immortal and with super-human abilities, then it's not so strange that they would also develop unique weapons which would appear magical to a regular, present day human.

 

[KarkClent]

Yeah, I was reposting the info from: http://www.ssninsider.com/film-deve...n-mcgregor-to-light-up-beauty-the-beast-more/

Ivan Reitman was supposed to direct a Wonder Woman movie at some point? That's weird. I wonder what his take was.

 

[roach]

why is there a constant need to scrub the mystical aspects away from the character???

 

[KarkClent]

Heck, if Wonder Woman herself is a demi-goddess, then they're planning on introducing the Greek gods however they spin them (i.e. from another dimension, from outer space or whatever) so if there were beings who were essentially immortal and with super-human abilities, then it's not so strange that they would also develop unique weapons which would appear magical to a regular, present day human.

I actually don't like that kind of approach. Not only is it a bit of a cliche at this point, but I think it's a little condescending. If you're going to have super-powered Greek gods in your movie, I'm willing to suspend my disbelief already. It doesn't make it any more believable to me that they're defying the laws of physics if you say they're aliens. Plus, are all magical beings you're going to introduce after that point going to have to be aliens, too?

 

[roach]

I actually don't like that kind of approach. Not only is it a bit of a cliche at this point, but I think it's a little condescending. If you're going to have super-powered Greek gods in your movie, I'm willing to suspend my disbelief already. It doesn't make it any more believable to me that they're defying the laws of physics if you say they're aliens. Plus, are all magical beings you're going to introduce after that point going to have to be aliens, too?

Exactly. I hate this need to wipe away the mystical. The movies don't have to line up with your personal beliefs.
If all 'magic' comes from aliens...what's going to happen when you have to introduce Dr Fate? Zatanna? Zauriel?

 

[Vonter-Voman]

Look, I know you guys want it to be 100% magical, and so do I... but it's not what WB will do. They are already bringing Aquaman "down to Earth" if Momoa's comments are any indication. I'm pretty sure they will try the same with Wonder Woman. There will be magic, but they'll try to explain it.

And like I said, in my idea she would not only sense heartbeats but "vital energies"... and this is the "magical" part. They won't do "it's magical because it's magic". There will be logic behind it, even if it's fictional.

Shazam is the movie that has more potential to be more fantastic, but like initial talks, it wouldn't tie too much into the rest of the DCCU. And even then, I bet they won't go full fantasy with it.

I just hope they find better ways to explain magic than the overused ones we have today. "Aliens", "unknown science" and stuff like that. Which is pretty hard.

 

[KarkClent]

The DCCU isn't ever going to be like Harry Potter or Disney movies, but the fact that they're developing Shazam and Justice League Dark, not to mention using magic-based characters like Wonder Woman and Enchantress, gives me hope that they'll adapt some of the more fantastical corners of the DCU to the big screen. A large portion of the fun of a big shared universe comes from seeing wildly different parts of that universe interacting. I hope WB sees it the same way I do.

 

[haephestus]

I actually don't like that kind of approach. Not only is it a bit of a cliche at this point, but I think it's a little condescending.

I agree. But, I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in DC/WB openly introducing the concept of the Greek gods into their cinematic universe. I'm more than happy if they do, but from what little we saw in Man of Steel and from what little has been shown in the "Dawn of Justice" trailer, it appears as though they're adopting a very "grounded" approach in which they feel the need to "explain" all the fantastical and fantasy aspects of their characters.

I would expect "Dawn of Justice" to provide some sort of background for Wonder Woman which will shed more light on their plans. Similarly, some of the characters in "Suicide Squad", notably the Enchantress, are more than likely going to receive some sort of explanation.

To be fair, even Marvel has taken a softly, softly approach to some of the more "bizarre" aspects of their shared universe. They finally explored outer space with Guardians of the Galaxy, but magic is still some way off with Doctor Strange.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

See... I got no impression that BvS is shying away from fantasy. We got Batman in a power armor and Superman himself with all the allusions to his god like status. Then there is simply the aesthetic of Wonder Woman's costume itself. It's a fantasy warrior take to my eyes and we see that the lasso is there. As of now, I don't think that we are getting a Marvel styled, "aliens in the sci fi Star Trek style over magical beings of traditional fiction" approach. That could change but I don't see anything in MOS or the trailer for BvS that suggests that.

 

[Black Narcissus]

We also have one of the main producers confirming she is a demigod and the daughter of zeus. That is some fantasy type **** as ever.

 

[jaymes_e06]

We also have one of the main producers confirming she is a demigod and the daughter of zeus. That is some fantasy type **** as ever.

I, like some others, really hope they don't shoehorn themselves with this all magic is alien tech "ancient aliens" mumbo jumbo. It's getting pretty tedious at this point.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah just say it's ****ing magic.

That's no more ridiculous than an human looking alien from another planet gaining magical powers because of our yellow sun. The explanation in Thor is nothing but nonsensical mumbo jumbo anyway.

 

[Snow Queen]

Yeah just say it's ****ing magic.

That's no more ridiculous than an human looking alien from another planet gaining magical powers because of our yellow sun. The explanation in Thor is nothing but nonsensical mumbo jumbo anyway.

Yeah, if we can have a boy who is granted the power to turn into a grown man with super powers by saying "Shazam" by a wizard, we can have magic in Wonder Woman.

 

[Lily Adler]

Yeah just say it's ****ing magic.

That's no more ridiculous than an human looking alien from another planet gaining magical powers because of our yellow sun. The explanation in Thor is nothing but nonsensical mumbo jumbo anyway.

But...

 

[roach]

We also have one of the main producers confirming she is a demigod and the daughter of zeus. That is some fantasy type **** as ever.

Why people keep forgetting this I do not know why

 

[Mad Love]

There's really no way around it. Magic has to be a thing in the DCU with the characters they announced. If people want an explanation, then they could say there is no explanation because it's a realm of physics outside human understanding and that's that.

 

[roach]

There's really no way around it. Magic has to be a thing in the DCU with the characters they announced. If people want an explanation, then they could say there is no explanation because it's a realm of physics outside human understanding and that's that.

Magic is the explanation.

 

[Mad Love]

Magic is the explanation.

Apparently it's not enough for some people.

 

[roach]

Apparently it's not enough for some people.

I know. I've been fighting this fight for a long time...ever since the Amazons are Kryptonians idea came about

 

[Loki882]

Given that a character called "The Enchantress" is showing up in the Suicide Squad film, you've got Shazam/Black Adam confirmed, and they're using the demi-goddess origin, I don't see how you get around the whole magic thing.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I know. I've been fighting this fight for a long time...ever since the Amazons are Kryptonians idea came about

I want them to just do what Smallville did (one of the things they actually got right) was to just make magic magic and have that be enough to explain it. I don't understand when magic became so out of style.