Civil War Along Came a Spider - The Peter Parker / Spider-Man Thread - Part 1

[ciscostudent561]

Spidey's the one character whose mythos is so vast that he doesn't need to team-up with another in his own solo films.

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[ImSGirl95]

Also, I have a strong feeling the villain will originate from Stark Industries. Any villain that has artillery could easily fit the story.

I think that's a given. Every "tech" kind of villain can originate from Stark Industries. Vulture, Scorpion, even Doc Ock, etc.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

As long as all villains don't start coming from one place like they do in Ultimate Spider-Man where they nearly all come from Oscorp.

 

[harryoscop]

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Great contribution.

 

[SpideyJJ]

Given their relationship in civil war, Stark will probably be like what Nick Fury was in TWS (except more superhero mentor like) in terms of screen time and relevance. Homecoming has been described as a coming of age story, and while that obviously relates to his out of costume life as a New York teen, I think it also relates to the kind of hero he wants to be. Feige last year had talked about how part of his struggle is trying to figure out what kind of hero he is in the wake of civil war, so most likely in the beginning he'll try to be what Stark tells him to be. Probably events running through the course of the movie show that Peter may not fully agree with his viewpoint, and thus form his own ideal of who he should be as a hero. Or probably they'll play up the science grant Stark told Aunt May about and have him be strictly a scientific mentor of sorts, while probably trying to dissuade Pete from taking on crazy supervillains just yet, and instead focus more on developing his keen intellect (residual guilt from the kid who died in Sokovia, plus the worry he felt when Pete was knocked out by Ant-Man would play a factor in this). The writers did say recently that Stark saw himself in Peter a bit, which, combined with the guilt over the death of the kid in Sokovia, pushed him to take Peter under his wing to prevent another brilliant young mind perishing too soon

 

[ironman29758]

As long as all villains don't start coming from one place like they do in Ultimate Spider-Man where they nearly all come from Oscorp.

Looking back at Ultimate Spider-Man , the only real connection was the fact they were created as a attempt to recreate the super soldier/Captain America:

Oscorp (Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Dr.Octopus, technically leading to the events of Clone Saga), Kingpin (Electro, Sandman, The Enforcers, Black Cat, Elektra), His father (Venom and Carnage) and random cameo villains with only the loosest connection to each other.


Other tv shows did more to tie in the Spider-Man universe with each other(Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, Amazing Spider-Man films, Ultimate Spider-Man, technically Sam Raimi Spider-Man films, 90's Spider-Man films with Neogenics Recombination and Kingpin,) than Ultimate Spider-Man in hindsight, despite being based on Ultimate Spider-Man films, inspired by or inspired USM, or having some connection to USM. I don't mind if they tie in the villians together in some way, if they handle it like the Ultimate comics, Spectacular cartoon or the previous Marvel films, without it feeling forced.

Given their relationship in civil war, Stark will probably be like what Nick Fury was in TWS (except more superhero mentor like) in terms of screen time and relevance. Homecoming has been described as a coming of age story, and while that obviously relates to his out of costume life as a New York teen, I think it also relates to the kind of hero he wants to be. Feige last year had talked about how part of his struggle is trying to figure out what kind of hero he is in the wake of civil war, so most likely in the beginning he'll try to be what Stark tells him to be. Probably events running through the course of the movie show that Peter may not fully agree with his viewpoint, and thus form his own ideal of who he should be as a hero. Or probably they'll play up the science grant Stark told Aunt May about and have him be strictly a scientific mentor of sorts, while probably trying to dissuade Pete from taking on crazy supervillains just yet, and instead focus more on developing his keen intellect (residual guilt from the kid who died in Sokovia, plus the worry he felt when Pete was knocked out by Ant-Man would play a factor in this). The writers did say recently that Stark saw himself in Peter a bit, which, combined with the guilt over the death of the kid in Sokovia, pushed him to take Peter under his wing to prevent another brilliant young mind perishing too soon

That actually sounds fantastic if we can see it handled like that. Starting off with Peter trying to hard to follow in Tony's footsteps before finding his own path. I would hope if they handle Pete's relationship with Tony and Cap like the USM comics with elements of 616 Tony/Pete and Steve/Pete's relationship.

 

[ciscostudent561]

The ultimate super soldier theorem and how everything rolled from that was pretty awesome.

Iron Man's involvement should be tied to maybe competition with Oscorp.

 

[JB33]

The ultimate super soldier theorem and how everything rolled from that was pretty awesome.

Iron Man's involvement should be tied to maybe competition with Oscorp.

That's a good point. I was originally not too enthused about Tony showing up in Homecoming but if this is the angle then I could live with it, especially if it's just Tony and not Iron Man. There's absolutely no need for Iron Man in that movie.

 

[The Shape]

It's more than him "showing up" in the movie. If the big press release is any indication, Tony will have a major role in the film and will undoubtedly be suiting up at least once for whatever reason.

I'm completely against it, but it is what it is.

 

[spider-neil]

My number one criteria for Homecoming is to see something different. We've had 5 movies and they are essentially all the same.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Yeah, no way they will announce RDJ that early if he is just "showing up" in the movie.
And no way he is not suiting up. I can bet that he indeed suits up, but for the final battle he gets knock out early, and it's up only to Spidey to defeat the villain all by his own. Or something like that.

 

[Hero_of_Time98]

Yeah, no way they will announce RDJ that early if he is just "showing up" in the movie.
And no way he is not suiting up. I can bet that he indeed suits up, but for the final battle he gets knock out early, and it's up only to Spidey to defeat the villain all by his own. Or something like that.

Yeah, Sony wouldn't make a deal with Marvel if they couldn't capitalize on it as well. Marvel got to use Spider-Man all the way in Civil War. Sony is going to want to have Iron Man to be used all the way in their movie. Remember, even though Marvel Studios is reportedly running the show with the creative process, Sony is still footing the bill on production and it's their money to be made, not Marvel's. You better believe Sony is going to want to have RDJ appear in the film in more than just a cameo role. He is going to be a supporting player. While I don't believe he'll be as big of a supporting role as he was in Civil War, he should have quite a big of screen time. Both outside and inside the Iron Man suit with Peter Parker/Spider-Man. I fully expect him to be a major influence and mentor to Peter in Homecoming.

 

[JOE]

I think that's a given. Every "tech" kind of villain can originate from Stark Industries. Vulture, Scorpion, even Doc Ock, etc.

Not necessarily. Have you forgotten about Oscorp?

 

[Hero_of_Time98]

Not necessarily. Have you forgotten about Oscorp?

Yeah, I kinda want to see Norman Osborn get cast so we can see Tony Stark have a real tech rivalry. He really didn't have that with Justin Hammer. Osborn is a genius, but he's also insane. I would love to see Tony Stark go up against Norman Osborn.

 

[harryoscop]

You guys do realize that movies don't always cast 'in order' of importance, right?

 

[JOE]

You guys do realize that movies don't always cast 'in order' of importance, right?

What makes you think we think that?

 

[BrollySupersj]

Yeah I'm thinking Homecoming will be a Spider-Man and Iron Man team up movie. Makes sense to me. What better way to spearhead Spider-Man in the MCU than have Iron Man at his side taking down bad guys. It'll be a merchandising mega tsunami.

 

[harryoscop]

Yeah I'm thinking Homecoming will be a Spider-Man and Iron Man team up movie. Makes sense to me. What better way to spearhead Spider-Man in the MCU than have Iron Man at his side taking down bad guys. It'll be a merchandising mega tsunami.

Except this movie has been touted as a 'solo' story by Feige, Watts and pretty much everyone involved in the creative process. It's suppose to be about Peter's struggle with the duality of both sides of his life, him finding his place in the world. (quote directly from Tom) and smaller-scale. Just because RDJ is in the movie doesn't suddenly make it a "Team up" movie.

 

[Havok83]

Iron Man and Thor didn't in fact team up with anybody in all of their films. (unless you count Rhodey, but he's ingrained in the IM supporting cast, so I don't think he counts) Cap didn't team up with anybody in his first solo film either and I doubt Black Panther will in his solo film, But Spidey in particular has the most the best, most iconic rouges gallery in the Marvel Universe.

Not true. IM teamed up with Black Widow in IM2 and as you mentioned, he's teamed up with War Machine. Thor will be teaming up with Hulk in the next solo. Cap didnt team up with any of the other heroes in his first solo bc none of them were born. Being a period film, he couldnt. He got BW and Falcon when his solo made it to present day. BP may or may not, but the end of CW set it up that we may end up seeing 1 or more Avengers. Spidey isnt special. They all are prone to team ups and another hero in his film isnt something that would be shocking or out of the ordinary.

 

[BrollySupersj]

Except this movie has been touted as a 'solo' story by Feige, Watts and pretty much everyone involved in the creative process. It's suppose to be about Peter's struggle with the duality of both sides of his life, him finding his place in the world. (quote directly from Tom) and smaller-scale. Just because RDJ is in the movie doesn't suddenly make it a "Team up" movie.

Well they can say all that, doesn't mean I'll believe it 100%.Possible misdirection when they say it's a solo act.

 

[harryoscop]

Not true. IM teamed up with Black Widow in IM2 and as you mentioned, he's teamed up with War Machine. Thor will be teaming up with Hulk in the next solo. Cap didnt team up with any of the other heroes in his first solo bc none of them were born. Being a period film, he couldnt. He got BW and Falcon when his solo made it to present day. BP may or may not, but the end of CW set it up that we may end up seeing 1 or more Avengers. Spidey isnt special. They all are prone to team ups and another hero in his film isnt something that would be shocking or out of the ordinary.

Black Widow was a very small role in IM2, she had 1 fight scene. Rhodey doesn't count because War Machine has always been an established supporting character in the Iron Man comics, he's not a character coming in from another franchise to team up. Iron Man 1 didn't have any Avengers as well as IM3. Raganarock has Hulk i it, but all previous Thor films had no other heroes. Cap 1 could've incorporated a hero from the 40s. Spidey is special because outside of him appearing in Avengers comics and Team-up spinoffs, he's a solo hero who faces his own challenges and obstacles without calling on help from the Avengers. Spidey's movies will be ruined if they have The Avengers hold him by the hand through every challenge/threat he faces. It's part of the appeal of what makes Peter such a compelling character.

 

[Overman27pj]

Great contribution.

Ditto.

 

[Overman27pj]

It's more than him "showing up" in the movie. If the big press release is any indication, Tony will have a major role in the film and will undoubtedly be suiting up at least once for whatever reason.

I'm completely against it, but it is what it is.

For me the excitement of having Spidey back in the MCU is to see him interact with these other amazing characters and actors, who are already established! I welcome it! I'm sure it'll play awesome. Have you not learned to trust the MCU yet?? They are like the 2016 Cubs!!!

 

[Havok83]

Black Widow was a very small role in IM2, she had 1 fight scene. Rhodey doesn't count because War Machine has always been an established supporting character in the Iron Man comics, he's not a character coming in from another franchise to team up. Iron Man 1 didn't have any Avengers as well as IM3. Raganarock has Hulk i it, but all previous Thor films had no other heroes. Cap 1 could've incorporated a hero from the 40s. Spidey is special because outside of him appearing in Avengers comics and Team-up spinoffs, he's a solo hero who faces his own challenges and obstacles without calling on help from the Avengers. Spidey's movies will be ruined if they have The Avengers hold him by the hand through every challenge/threat he faces. It's part of the appeal of what makes Peter such a compelling character.

But now you are just discreting stuff bc it doesnt support your point.

You are expecting him to have his hand held in the film, but having Iron Man in it doesnt mean that will happen.

 

[The Shape]

For me the excitement of having Spidey back in the MCU is to see him interact with these other amazing characters and actors, who are already established! I welcome it! I'm sure it'll play awesome. Have you not learned to trust the MCU yet?? They are like the 2016 Cubs!!!

It has nothing to do with not trusting the MCU, but more so wanting to see Spidey shine on his own in a strong, well-made solo film again, as he did in SM2. He shouldn't need the MCU's biggest character (and star) to help him carry his own film.

And of course I want to see Spidey interact with other Marvel characters and heroes, but that's what movies like Civil War, the Avengers, and other crossover films are for.