Am I really the only person who really doesn't like the Spiderman movies?

[S.A.A.D.]

I prefer the 90's cartoon a lot more. But I think a few of the movies are good in their own right,as true
Spiderman movies they are a big time ZZZZZZZZ kind imo.

 

[Johnny Drama]

I prefer the 90's cartoon a lot more. But I think a few of the movies are good in their own right,as true
Spiderman movies they are a big time ZZZZZZZZ kind imo.

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[S.A.A.D.]

That video is funny,but you aren't. *****.

 

[Johnny Drama]

I beg to differ

 

[Man in the Suit]

Peter Parker cries on the pay phone.

 

[Docker2.0]

I agree. When Spidey first came out, I loved it but I can't watch it again to save my life! Raimi just got it all wrong when it came to Spidey. He doesn't have the one liners, MJ is just fugly, overall it's cheesy. I'm glad they are rebooting!

 

[webhead731]

No you are not the only one. You're kind of in a minority, but oh well.

I obviously love them. Still hate Sony and their really garbage reason for rebooting.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I have issues with Spider-man, but it's mostly to do with memories or that period in my life surrounding that movie. When they were filming in Queens my buds and I made it to the set a couple days though, it's nice seeing your own street in a superhero movie.

 

[Infinity9999x]

You're not the only one. I don't mind the SM movies, but I have a lot of problems with them. I don't think Raimi ever understood the character of Spider-man (he got Peter all right, but it still wasn't perfect), he treated MJ absolutely horribly (the way she was written was garbage) and he really underused the great supporting cast Spider-man has.

However, they still aren't bad movies. As adaptations they left me wanting a lot more, but as movies they're pretty solid. I'm still glad they're rebooting. However, what really bugs me is that SSM got canned. Easily the best media adaptation of the character and it gets the shaft. That just sucks.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I think the three Raimi/Maguire Spidey movies are a lot of fun, very entertaining, and full of heart. Raimi took the baton from Bryan Singer and carried superhero movies to a new cinematic level. Some of the action and spectacle in these three movies has yet to be surpassed anywhere, and Spider-Man 2 is often listed alongside X2 and The Dark Knight on these boards as one of the best comicbook flicks ever.

That said, I am looking forward to a brand new interpretation of the character. One where Spidey IS a character, and not just Peter with a mask on. Andrew Garfield simply looks like the classic John Romita Sr Peter, whereas Tobey did not. This is no indication he wil be better than Maguire or even as good - but it's exciting nonetheless. I never thought of the Raimi/Maguire Spider-Man as the character stepped off the comicbook page in the same way Christopher Reeve is Superman or Patrick Stewart is Professor X.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I think the three Raimi/Maguire Spidey movies are a lot of fun, very entertaining, and full of heart. Raimi took the baton from Bryan Singer and carried superhero movies to a new cinematic level. Some of the action and spectacle in these three movies has yet to be surpassed anywhere, and Spider-Man 2 is often listed alongside X2 and The Dark Knight on these boards as one of the best comicbook flicks ever.

That said, I am looking forward to a brand new interpretation of the character. One where Spidey IS a character, and not just Peter with a mask on. Andrew Garfield simply looks like the classic John Romita Sr Peter, whereas Tobey did not. This is no indication he wil be better than Maguire or even as good - but it's exciting nonetheless. I never thought of the Raimi/Maguire Spider-Man as the character stepped off the comicbook page in the same way Christopher Reeve is Superman or Patrick Stewart is Professor X.

Agreed. Raimi played a big part in the superhero movie Renaissance that started with X-men. He upped the level in a lot of ways. The train sequence in SM2 is still one of, if not the best action sequence in any superhero movie to date.

That said, I completely agree about Spider-man. He was never the full character he should have been. Spider-man is Peter's chance to be all the things he wishes he could be normally, but was always too afraid to be. Cocky, confident, charming, Spidey should have the kind of swashbuckling charm of the classic adventure movies, with a modern mouth and wit.

And I also hope we get a Mary Jane that actually acts like Mary Jane, or maybe actually develop Gwen Stacy as a character. And I really, REALLY hope that they use the supporting cast!

of course SSM was already doing all that, but whatever

 

[the_joker]

I liked Raimi's Spider-man films when they first came out. But quite recently I tried re-watching the first two and they don't replay well. I ended up fast-forwarding through most of it. I wonder if watching it on blu-ray would make any difference though...

The 90s cartoon series was fantastic, but they had episodes and seasons to develop storylines and characters, Raimi only had three films to do all that in. So it probably isn't fair to compare the two.

 

[El Payaso]

Spiderman 1 has to be the biggest cinema dissapointment in my life.

Less than 2 minutes into the movie I had been bombarded with bad jokes and cartoon-level common places about what the life of a nerd is like. They always miss the bus, girls don't want them sitting on the next seat, people trip them when they walk, but oh, there's always a beautiful girl who "understand" them. I was so afraid that it was going to be "that" kind of movie. And it was.

Peter is a nerd and therefore he's been in love with the same girl since he was 6. And of course the first time he saw her he asked aunt May if she was an angel... Jesus Christ, how much worse could that go. By the time when Peter was telling MJ what he told Spiderman about her, my eyeballs were dry of so much eye-rolling. That has to be the worst love speech ever written.

Goblin was another dissapointment. The suit was awful. His motivations end after he kills Oscorp executives and then all he wants is... what exactly? To be Spiderman's friend. God. And he gets angry when Spiderman refuses! Worst villiain's motivation I've seen. The scene when he's talking to Spiderman on the rooftop was awuful. Both actors with their faces covered looked bad. Those could have been any two guys moving their heads with the dialogue done off-screen. And, speaking of that, the dialogue did nothing for the scene either, just more repetitions for "Hey, be my friend, please." And he wants Spiderman to be his friendy... for what exactly?.

Oh and he had several minutes to get Spidey's mask removed, but no, he got to the obvious conclusion that his identity could be useful after that scene.

When newyorkers decided to throw things to Goblin along with lines such as "You mess with one of us, you mess with all of us" I thought seriously about leaving the theater. Sure, people of big cities are always solidarian, everything but individualists, I buy that.

And yes, Dunst sucked, she was number 1,000 on the list of uninsteresting generic love interests. And she wasn't Mary Jane, just a girl with her hair died red.

Oh, and Raimi's obsession with humour. God Almighty. If you're going to be so obsessed with humour so that you're going to force a joke every single time you can, at least you have to have a great sense of humour. Raimi's not the case. His jokes were terrible, and they were all over all the time. The elevator scene in Spiderman 2 has to be one of the reasons why I can't consider that movie one of the best of the genre, oh and aunt May's painfully obvious "heroes" speech).

And I have to be the only person who loathes every contribution by Bruce Campbell (I'm not opening a new thread for that though). Yes, he might be Raimi's friend and have been great at the Evil Dead movies, but he had nothing good to do here. Forced unnecessary unfunny roles. In every one of the movies.





But Spiderman 2 was very close to be one of the great superhero movies. That movie showed me that Raimi had some heart and soul to give to these movies below layers and layers of idiotic Hollywood crap.

And then Spiderman 3 came and told me that no, that Raimi was more interested in repeating the same things over and over. That well had gotten completely dry.



So no, you're not the only person who dislikes Raimi's approach and I am too happy for a reboot.

 

[El Payaso]

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Better than Peter dancing on the street. You're funnier than Sam raimi.

 

[Infinity9999x]

But Spiderman 2 was very close to be one of the great superhero movies. That movie showed me that Raimi had some heart and soul to give to these movies below layers and layers of idiotic Hollywood crap.

See, this is where I'm a bit confused. SM2 had all the same layers of generic Hollywood movies just as SM1 did. The love story was generic, MJ was still horrible (but I blame the writing more then Dunst. It wasn't her fault MJ was written like crud) they still overused the "look at how nerdy Peter is!" humor and had him getting knocked over/breaking things/getting his drink stolen ect. ect.

To be honest, I prefer SM1 over SM2. SM2 was one of the biggest cinematic disappointments to me. I thought it would improve upon the problems I had with SM2, and it didn't. It had all the same problems, just dressed up in fancier wrappings. And to add to that, they made Doc Ock a good guy at heart. Another extremely annoying factor that I hated.

 

[El Payaso]

See, this is where I'm a bit confused. SM2 had all the same layers of generic Hollywood movies just as SM1 did. The love story was generic, MJ was still horrible (but I blame the writing more then Dunst. It wasn't her fault MJ was written like crud) they still overused the "look at how nerdy Peter is!" humor and had him getting knocked over/breaking things/getting his drink stolen ect. ect.

And that's exactly what I said. "That movie showed me that Raimi had some heart and soul to give to these movies below layers and layers of idiotic Hollywood crap." And SM2 had some (not a whole lot) heart and sould under those layers of crap you mention.

The scene with Peter confessing aunt May his responsibility in uncle Ben's killing was truly great.

 

[The Joker]

Spider-Man 2 is definitely the best of the trilogy, and does deserve to be mentioned next to the greats like TDK, X-2 etc.

Spider-Man 1 was good. I enjoyed it. The action scenes are bland as hell compared to those in 2 and 3. The Goblin costume was terrible.

I'm not going to go into a bashing tirade about Spider-Man 3. It's definitely the weakest of the trilogy for obvious reasons.

 

[DACrowe]

No, you're not.

They're not very shiny and new anymore, eh?

I personally think for the time when they came out they were quite faithful to the comics. In the days of Nolan's Batman films and Marvel Studios movies, they look not nearly as faithful. But in all honesty, TIH and IM2 were mediocre films, IMO, so faithfulness is hardly a gauge of quality.

When these movies came out, other than Bryan Singer's not-quite blockbuster X-Men (good movie, didn't have much impact on pop culture at the time until its sequels) the only superhero movies in the last 20 years were terrible Superman sequels and Batman & Robin most recently.

Raimi made them kid-friendly (which is about right for Spidey) and put his own quirky campy humor in there, but he made them fun, engaging films. I think the spirit of the comics are there in the sense of a large world with a huge revolving supporting cast (especially in his sequels) and Peter being always down-on-his-luck, anguished and burdened.

...But there was a lot he didn't get right. At the time compared to Tim Burton and Joel Schumaucher--or even Ang Lee in between sequels--it looked really good.

I personally think SM2 is the perfectly made "superhero movie," in the sense that it follows a certain formula. Almost all superhero films have had it since Superman (1978), but few had done it well when the first two Spideys had come out. Now it is just so tedious with 500 superhero movies and the only ones in recent memory to break the formula (IMO) are The Dark Knight, Watchmen and Kick-Ass. Otherwise you know the story before going in.

That makes Raimi's first two movies, IMO, very hard to rewatch. They genuinely play great the first time or two, but they are not meant for a lot of repeat consumption and fanboys (myself included when the first one came out) watched these movies far, far, far too much. And quite frankly it kills the experience....Ironically I think SM3 for just being so wacky has the most rewatch value. While the worst of the three, it has the most of Raimi's personality in it, so it makes it slightly less restrictive in a Hollywood sense of tone, IMO.

But these films are dated in that the formula has been killed because over oversaturation. It is why I don't like Marvel Studios' Incredible Hulk or Iron Man 2. It just is boring. Raimi's films are most responsible for creating this "age of superheroe films," but the genre explosion has made his filmsa lot more hoe-hum.

With that said, I think in occasional viewing they can be quite good and better than most Hollywood blockbusters. Certainly better than any not made by Christopher Nolan or Pixar this year.

But I'm open to a new interpretation. I dunno if it will be good, but we shall see.


P.S. SM2 and SM3 hands down have the best action sequences ever put in superhero films. The formula may be dead, but I have yet to see anyone come close to the Doc Ock fights, the New Goblin fight or any sequence featuring Sandman. And considering how fast CGI and special effects advance, that says something, I think.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally, I absoloutley always have and will LOVE these films. To make a post short, I agree with Webhead731. Just an overall incredible fanchise, IMO. Hell, it's the best superhero film franchise, IMO. That's just me though.

 

[CelticPredator]

The first two are good. 3 is pure dog **** on a stick.

 

[Docker2.0]

I actually think SM3 is better than the first one. SM2 is obviously the best but I don't think SM3 was as bad as people say. Still...............Raimi missed the mark of who Spidey was. And don't get me started on Dunst!

 

[Spider-Vader]

Spider-Man 2 is a great movie, but a medicore comic movie. Spider-Man & Spider-Man 3 are mediocre movies, but bad comic movies.

That's how I see it.

 

[Infinity9999x]

With that said, I think in occasional viewing they can be quite good and better than most Hollywood blockbusters. Certainly better than any not made by Christopher Nolan or Pixar this year.

But I'm open to a new interpretation. I dunno if it will be good, but we shall see.


P.S. SM2 and SM3 hands down have the best action sequences ever put in superhero films. The formula may be dead, but I have yet to see anyone come close to the Doc Ock fights, the New Goblin fight or any sequence featuring Sandman. And considering how fast CGI and special effects advance, that says something, I think.

I agree with most of this. However, I will say I was one of the few people that haven't like SM2 since it came out. Opinions have changed since then, because when I voiced my views about it on the hype back in '05, I was pretty much flamed. I've always thought of them as good movies, because they are, very good movies, just not good adaptations.

Kind of like watching the Bourne movies and reading the books, or Jurassic Park and then watching the movie. Both examples have solid movies, but in terms of adaptations, they suck. Doesn't mean it's a bad movie though.

The problem for me is that Spider-man is probably my favorite superhero, so I have more of a personal connection to him, and it's harder for me to give Raimi leeway. But hey no one's perfect, Nolan's Bat-franchise (which I consider to easily be the best franchise thus far) has things I dislike about it.

It's become much more common to bash Raimi lately, especially after SM3, but I think that's unfair. The guy put out good films, were they the best adaptations? No, but like the Burton Bat-films before him, I think they have their own charm, even though they're not all that true to the comics in many cases.

El Payaso--I see, sorry, at first I thought you were saying SM2 had none of the negatives you listed with SM1.

 

[Daredevil]

I never thought any were that wonderful. I did like Spiderman 2 though if only for Alfred Molina as Doc Ock. And I thought 3 was superior to the first film.

 

[superhero]

what got me in spider-man one is that when green goblin was fighting spider-man on the bridge the people started throwing rocks and bricks. if green goblon was super vilian why didn't he just throw one of his pumnkin bom he could killed them all.