The Dark Knight Rises Am I the only one that feels like TDKR prevents Nolan's trilogy from being perfect?

[BlueLightning]

This is getting out of control. Can we go back to discuss other pointless, yet relevant somehow, on topic issues?

 

[Tequilla]

What contradiction? Do you not see the difference between a. using YOUR OWN interpretation of a plot point as evidence in an argument and b. agreeing with another posters point, which essentially is what QFT means? You guys are trying way too hard

Im not trying anything. I dont think i even have ever used that ridiculous expression.

You can write whatever you want. It was a funny contradiction. That's it. No reason to get so mad. Move on.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Im not trying anything. I dont think i even have ever used that ridiculous expression.

You can write whatever you want. It was a funny contradiction. That's it. No reason to get so mad. Move on.

What's the contradiction though? Maybe I'm slow but I don't get it

 

[Anno_Domini]

Wow, now you're deflecting. You tried to prove a point, it got turned back on you, and now all of a sudden you're being 'stalked'.

Better luck next time

Lol, I would say the same to you when you actually think something gets turned around

But...it didn't failed tragically. You were the one who made the contradiction. He pointed it. It was amusing.

Bingo.

I simply made a point.

It's nice that someone wants to say the same thing about me, but we've all had instances where we quoted others. You must be blind to NOT understand the point I was making.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Lol, I would say the same to you when you actually think something gets turned around



Bingo.

I simply made a point.

It's nice that someone wants to say the same thing about me, but we've all had instances where we quoted others. You must be blind to NOT understand the point I was making.

Then point out the contradiction, and make it clear for us stupid people

 

[Tequilla]

Truth is most often used to mean in accord with fact or reality (dictionary)

"Dude clearly said that what you quoted was all his opinion and didn't try to present it as fact . A couple of posters on here could learn a thing or two from him" (you)

Amusing. That's it. Period. A funny contradiction. Don't need to be that defensive.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Then point out the contradiction, and make it clear for us stupid people

You said it, not me.

Why didn't you include the disclaimer he put before all this? Dude clearly said that what you quoted was all his opinion and didn't try to present it as fact. A couple of posters on here could learn a thing or two from him

A couple of posters on here only quote others as truth and make it seem like fact. I rarely do this, others rarely do this...but there are a couple of posters on here that do it simply all the time like what others say are fact.

 

[The Joker]

Hey hey hey here's your culprit that started this crap by making a blatant personal dig at moi http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=24728539&postcount=279

All I did was show up him up as a hypocrite cos he used QFT several times in the past. Just cos I use it more doesn't make it bad. He was just trolling cos he hates how I criticize a flick he loves.

Does it matter who started this nonsense? It's just a pissing contest that you're helping continue.

Just stop replying to it.

This is getting out of control. Can we go back to discuss other pointless, yet relevant somehow, on topic issues?

I second this.

 

[Fudgie]

Does it matter who started this nonsense? It's just a pissing contest that you're helping continue.

Just stop replying to it.

Fine. He's been exposed as a QFT user anyway. My work is done.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

You said it, not me.



A couple of posters on here only quote others as truth and make it seem like fact. I rarely do this, others rarely do this...but there are a couple of posters on here that do it simply all the time like what others say are fact.

My initial post adressed people who use their own interpretation of the movie as evidence in their arguments. As in EXTRAPOLATING beyond what is shown in the film.

QFT isn't necessarily saying what the person said is fact, it is saying that you agree with the person's post whether that be opinion or fact. You might be taking the term a bit....literally

There is no contradiction

 

[C. Lee]

How about moving on to a new subject......

 

[Anno_Domini]

Edit: Not going to say any more after Lee's post.

 

[TheBat812]

Just gotta say, the worst form of posting is simply quoting long ass posts and saying "QFT." What a waste of a page, and what a meaningless addition to a conversation.


And back on topic, honestly each movie has its own small issues. Ie, the pacing in TDK after the hospital is distracting to me, as that feels like a climax and then we get a whole other sequence on the boats that to me just feels long as hell. Doesn't ruin the film at all, just a personal preference. I never felt this kind of thing in TDKR. Basically I'm saying there is pretty much no such thing as a perfect film, and this trilogy never was going to be perfect from a cinematic standpoint, but goddamn, it's still gotta be the best trilogy I've ever experienced and the perfect Batman/Bruce Wayne experience.

 

[C. Lee]

How about moving on to a new subject......

Some didn't understand the subtleness of my quoted post above....let me try it again....

STOP THE ARGUING.....MOVE ON TO A NEW SUBJECT!!

 

[Lord]

What's up in this thread?

 

[MAKAVELI25]

What's up in this thread?

So much for all knowing

 

[BatLobster]

Just gotta say, the worst form of posting is simply quoting long ass posts and saying "QFT." What a waste of a page, and what a meaningless addition to a conversation.

...Not gonna say it....not gonna say it...

Annnyhow....nah, TDKR definitely isn't what's preventing this trilogy from being perfect.

The "okay that's NAHT good!" guy in TDK is.

 

[Lord]

Some didn't understand the subtleness of my quoted post above....let me try it again....

STOP THE ARGUING.....MOVE ON TO A NEW SUBJECT!!

I don't know what's up but i'll simply answer the thread title.
In my opinion Batman Begins was the weakest of the three, TDKR was a good ending but the best part was the middle film, this kind of reminds me of the original Star Wars trilogy that had Empire as the best.

 

[BH/HHH]

I loved Rises but I still had my problems with it, for one I think the Dark Knight Rises should've ended the first year of Bruce Wayne's Batman careere not actually the end of his career as the Bat. Rises also ruins the ending of the Dark Knight for me but I still loved it as a quality film, I just think it could have been left open just having that last shot be Batman looking over Gotham City. Then the next trilogy could've been Year two still a reboot of sorts but the events of the Nolan trilogy still happened kind of like they do all the time with the comics, with different writers and styles etc. Just feel it was a missed oppurtnity but still as a trilogy it works but its not perfect.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I think I remember we had a discussion about this before as you wanted to see Batman continue on like Bond films. While it would be nice, I'm glad Nolan had a trilogy and we're getting a whole different reboot myself, but I see your point.

 

[DKDetective]

I really have to agree with BH/HHH. My biggest problem with the approach they took with TDKR, and the trilogy as whole as a result, was also deciding to make the trilogy the entirety of Bruce's story. Having Bruce be Batman for a year ior so between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, then retire for a decade, and come back for single last adventure just isn't satisfying. TDK makes a lot less sense thematically as a result of where they took the story in TDKR. I guess you can put that down as a problem with Nolan's one film at a time approach. A lot of the problems with TDKR stem from TDK's ending.

I think TDKR would have been a lot more satisfying if they had approached the trilogy as a story of Bruce's early years as Batman (which I believe Goyer or Nolan said somewhere was their original intention). The third film should have been about Bruce taking the lesson of TDK too far, throwing himself into Batman, and driving himself towards death fighting both against crime and the trying to evade the police. Then have Selina and Robin as forces for good in Bruce's life, things that give him something to live for. The final film should have been about balance - finding satisfaction as both Batman and Bruce, realizing that the war on crime will never be won but that doesn't that he should stop living or stop fighting. They should have given us a story that drew more from Dark Victory.

 

[BatLobster]

I like that the Nolanverse is finite. The slate is clean for the next director to take it in any direction, without being shackled to what has come before (though they might be shackled to JL ). If the story had ended with Batman looking ahead to an illustrious future as Gotham's protector, there would be absolutely no good reason to reboot. There was just such a specific and personal style to these movies that it would have been a shame to see it slowly degrade over time and become less and less consistent with itself as they made sequel after sequel within the same continuity.

 

[Lord]

I loved Rises but I still had my problems with it, for one I think the Dark Knight Rises should've ended the first year of Bruce Wayne's Batman careere not actually the end of his career as the Bat. Rises also ruins the ending of the Dark Knight for me but I still loved it as a quality film, I just think it could have been left open just having that last shot be Batman looking over Gotham City. Then the next trilogy could've been Year two still a reboot of sorts but the events of the Nolan trilogy still happened kind of like they do all the time with the comics, with different writers and styles etc. Just feel it was a missed oppurtnity but still as a trilogy it works but its not perfect.

Agreed, i allways thought that with a new series they could consder Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as year one and move on from that, taking any liberties they want like changing Joker's looks again, with the news i began to expect less and less of TDKR, which is probably why i ended up loving it.

I don't agree with the notion that Nolan's series is realistic and so more fantastic villains in the sequels wouldn't work, i don't agree with that, when you have a world as big as Batman's you can do anything, in the comics his career also starts realistically but slowlly becomes stranger and stranger.

 

[BH/HHH]

Exactly all you have to do is look at the Comics or even a long standing series like the Bond films they've changed the tone and style so many times and it works.

 

[Deserana]

I think I'm the only one who actually liked the 8 year gap as for me this was never a Bruce that seemed devoted to doing this for his whole life. His parents were his motivation still but it always seemed that if there was a way out he'd take it. Just look at TDK as soon as Harvey stood up he was ready to step down.

Unless I'm remembering it wrong when Bruce is asked how long he wants to do this for he says "As long as I have to" (I think that is in the film) so that clearly isn't a man who wants to do this forever. You also have Dent in TDK saying "The Batman doesn't want to do this for the rest of his life how could he? He is looking for someone to take up his mantle." then in TDKR he found that in Blake and then Bruce moved on.

The 8 year gap seemed logical to me yes it may seem like Bruce was barely Batman but he still made a mark on this Gotham. The actions of TDKR were exactly the same IMO and not out of characater. I've seen people say he takes an 8 year gap because of Rachel! He didn't. There was no need for him to be Batman. I've seen people say that Batman should still be fighting small crime. Nolan's Batman has never been shown doing that he has only attacked some sort of organised crime. And people have said Batman would never quit. Nolan's Bruce was never devoted to Batman it seemed more like a period of his life he wanted to get past.

Nolan isn't claiming to make thee definitive Batman. It was just another take on the character. I have issues with TDKR but Bruce was not one of them I thought his arc was perfect and entirely in line with the previous two films.