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JokerNick said:
the other thing that comes to mind is just plain stupidity.... unable to understand what happened that day...
What happened that day was, a group of Islamic terrorists launched an unjustified, unprovoked attack against the symbol of American financial oppression around the world. They did so, more than likely, because they or people they knew, or maybe just people they represented and acted on behalf of, were sick of the USA and the rest of the West foisting themselves on everyone else. Why, was there something that I missed?
JokerNick said:
we remember this day so we don't forget
Why don't we remember the day we aided a coup in Guatemala, setting in motion a chain of events that would cause a civil war to ravage the nation, literally setting neighbor against neighbor, and causing instability that persists to this day? I'd say that's something we shouldn't forget, but most people never learned about it in the first place, so they don't even know what to remember.
We're always happy to ***** and whine and "remember" the things other people do to us. But we're never ready to acknowledge our own mistakes, mistakes that are often the reason people go after us in the first place! Maybe if we spent more time remembering and atoning for our own ****ups, we wouldn't have had a 9/11 to mourn in the first place. Or are you gonna come back with that old chestnut about the terrorists are irrational, rabid animals who hate our freedoms?
JokerNick said:
today should be taken to remember all those who lost their lives.... ITS CALLED RESPECT
Respect for the dead only applies to the dead you knew. I have no reason to respect dead Nazis. I don't respect Hitler, even though the mother****er's one dead-ass sonofa*****. Got no respect for Nixon. No respect for suicide bombers. No respect for Israeli soldiers that died perpetrating state-sponsored terrorism "because they were ordered to." Respect is earned, it's not just given because you ****in' died.
WorthyStevens4 said:
Over 2000 people were killed that day. I guess you just don't understand how awful that was, and how they should all be remembered.
Nope. And I don't either. Perhaps, while we're doing this whole remembering-the-tragedy thing, we should set aside a day to remember all the Iraqis who were victimized by the UN sanctions regime, because their leader was an international *******. How about remembering the villages that were destroyed, in order to be saved, in Vietnam, by US forces? Should August 6 be remembered as the day 80,000 people died in Hiroshima, with the following weeks remembered as the period of time during which 60,000 more died of complications resulting from the bombing? We'd have to make room for August 9, when we'd commemorate 74,000 deaths in Nagasaki, followed by another 214,000. Hell, we don't even remember Oklahoma City anymore, because it was one of our guys that did it.
We don't bother with that stuff, Steve, because if we did we'd feel so terrible about ourselves and what we've condoned by way of our votes, that we'd shut down. That stuff is depressing. Better to only commemorate the times when we lost. Gives us something to rally around, a reason to feel morally justified, and righteous. We weren't the aggressors! Not this time! But what about all the other times? Why don't we remember those? Is this how the dead wish to be remembered? As no more than cheap political tools? Because that's what it is, no matter how much you spout about keeping it apolitical. The dead should be remembered by the families who lost them. The rest of us should just ****ing be honest. It's none of our ****ing business whether some random dead guy gets remembered, except to note that there was a reason that structure was selected.
Wilhelm-Scream said:
Erm, wrong wrong wrong ******ed wrong.
Such compelling argumentation. You scintillate today, Watson.
Wilhelm-Scream said:
Do you know how many janitors, baristas, lowly temps and receptionists you're talking about? In the WTC?
Suppose I'd have to view employment records. Why? Just because you do a lowly job for someone, that means you're not facilitating that person? If those lowly workers would have had the courage to stand up to injustice--and many workers and unions have had that courage over the past 150 years--who knows what a simple strike could have accomplished? That inaction is what makes all of us guilty.
If a terrorist kills me tomorrow, I should be remembered as just another socialist loudmouth who never put his money where his mouth was because he was too damned comfortable staying put right where he was. No one better use me as some nationalistic rally point. No one who never knew me better "remember" my death--it won't mean a ****ing thing to you! You'll be doing it to feel good about yourself, to feel compassionate. Tons of people die all over the world every day, just not in one fell swoop. Remembering these deaths is like remembering ol' Dan Hubbard of Stump****, PA, who just passed away of a heart failure.
Wilhelm-Scream said:
I know you got goosebumps and a stiffy typing that
Oh, I surely did. I'm cramming my cock into a CD drive, right now.
C'mon. Can't you come up with a more original way of accusing someone of intellectual self-gratification?
Wilhelm-Scream said:
but it's just safer to say, nobody should get blown up at work unless they have a say in deciding to do the things that caused the beef in the first place.
No, you're quite right. No one deserves to die. But if they did, it would be the people that have helped create the single biggest problem in the world. Like, ifthere was one guy who caused AIDS, as some epidemiologists posit, and you could find him, wouldn't some part of you want to kill the mother****er? Just be like, "Dude, ****ing monkeys isn't cool in the first place, but then you had to bring the most horrific STD in history down upon your fellow human? Not cool, bro!"
JokerNick said:
and no one is forcing you to watch these movies, listen to these radio stations.... do what I do, and don't partake in anything like that.... if it offends you, ignore it....
Oh, right, ignore it so it will go away. Isn't that what our parents used to tell us about monsters under the bed? See, that only works for fictional characters, Nicky. Not reality. The whole problem in this country is people like you, who just ignore all the bad stuff and hope it goes away. Well, it doesn't. It keeps happening, and then, someday, out of nowhere, a guy comes along who got tired of you ignoring the way he and his family have been screwed over, and he flies a plane into your place of employment.[/FONT]
