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[Microchip]

I wouldn't mind getting an essential spider-man (essential is what they call their collections) if I could find one that included the Punisher one in it. I like Spidey as a character, I just never found his comics all that well done. Older ones feel dated, and newer ones just don't seem that good.

I could make an exception for the Punisher though.

Apparently there a lot more freedom shooting in Florida and it was cheaper. As for Travolta, that was probably the studio and Marvel wanting to get a big name for the movie.

New York doesn't need to be New York. 2004's Dawn of the Dead is midland America. No, wait, it's Ontario. TV's Smallville is rural Kansas. I mean, Langley, BC. Seinfeld is Manhattan. Although most of the time it's California.

Punisher War Zone is New York City. And Toronto. You're probably very right about Travolta though.

 

[Kable24]

I really don't understand the whining about it taking place in Florida. That to me is minor compared to the other problems it had

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

If Marvel thought Travolta would save the movie, no wonder they went bankrupt in the 90's. LOL.

 

[rogue trooper]

If Marvel thought Travolta would save the movie, no wonder they went bankrupt in the 90's. LOL.

Indeed. From the looks of it, if Travolta is not under the direction of a high-caliber director like John Badham, Brian DePalma, or Quentin Tarantino, he really falls extremely far from greatness.

 

[S. Grundy]

New York doesn't need to be New York. 2004's Dawn of the Dead is midland America. No, wait, it's Ontario. TV's Smallville is rural Kansas. I mean, Langley, BC. Seinfeld is Manhattan. Although most of the time it's California.

Punisher War Zone is New York City. And Toronto. You're probably very right about Travolta though.

There’s no possible way you could shoot the script that I wrote in Toronto for $13 million. There’s just no way. You couldn’t shoot it in an urban environment with city lockdown. I don’t know if you’re aware of what’s required to lock down an urban environment, but the costs are extraordinary. The reason why Tampa was chosen was because Tampa wanted to incite film production in its city. So they basically allowed us to do anything and allowed us to do it for free. So Tampa PD became kind of our second ADs. We said to the mayor’s office and the film commission, “Hey we want to shut down the entire downtown between the hours of seven am and six pm on the weekdays” with just 48 hours notice. They said “Sure. Go ahead.” It could be done in Toronto but it would be eight times the cost

Even still, stuff from the shooting script had to be cut, combined or pared down.

 

[citizenpain]

hensleigh couldn't shoot the script on that budget... a good director could. lexi certainly made the best of her budget and it was much smaller and there's lots more action in her film.

 

[S. Grundy]

The action in PWZ is on a lot smaller scale though. The original '04 script had some more action beats to it and what not, but like I said stuff was either combined, pared down or just plain cut out. That script was written as a big budget action movie, this one knowing what type budget it was getting was on a smaller scale.

Besides if what's being said has any validity to, Alexander turned in a piece of **** anyway.

But the blame shouldn't be all on her if true, much like the last movie this movie didn't have that long of a shoot and a small budget.

 

[Dark Victory]

I have great expectations for this movie...at least for Lexis cut.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

I think this film will be on par with the 2004 version, decent low budget action flick. I really wish we could get a studio backing this movie that honestly cares about the character and delivering a solid punisher film rather than exploiting Frank to make a quick buck. I HAD high hopes for this movie because I absolutely adore the actor, but things keep going downhill for the film. Ray Stevenson deserves better than this, Frank Castle deserves better than this and above all else, the FANS deserve better than this.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think this movie will be ok actually. Looking at the trailer, I think Lexi is working wonders with the budget she was given.

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

The budget of a film should in no way be a means to measure the quality of the feature. Halloween was made on a budget of $325,000, and Clerks was made for a measly $27,575 dollars, and both movies are superb. A movie about a crazy war vet killing mobsters must, by necessity, be made cheaply. The expenses should be on actors, prop-guns, fake blood, and SFX. Out of the vast universe of comic book characters, Frank Castle should be the easiest to adapt to film. It’s a pretty straightforward action movie plot, but somehow studios manage to sodomize almost every aspect of the character. If Lexi took liberties with one of the few comic heroes that don’t need it, I’m glad they let her go. My only criticism thus far is the Schumacher neon light thing; it’s not really necessary.

Also remember that if you go into this film with little to no expectations, it will most likely be entertaining.

 

[Docker2.0]

That bothers me to! That's what I was saying earlier about them commercializing him.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I disagree.

I think if you go into this film with little to no expectations, you can still be dissappointed.

Atleast if you believe all the reports and rumors going around right now. Which is now rumored to have all been made up by the studio....?????...

I'm just hoping for the day we get to see Tom Jane again.

 

[citizenpain]

The budget of a film should in no way be a means to measure the quality of the feature.

but the budget does ultimately affect the quality of the feature.

Halloween was made on a budget of $325,000, and Clerks was made for a measly $27,575 dollars, and both movies are superb.

i'm guessing you're talking about the original halloween. those were different times. and clerks? really? what was the body count in that film? any explosions? that was a talking heads film, your comparisons are all way off.

A movie about a crazy war vet killing mobsters must, by necessity, be made cheaply. The expenses should be on actors, prop-guns, fake blood, and SFX. Out of the vast universe of comic book characters, Frank Castle should be the easiest to adapt to film. It’s a pretty straightforward action movie plot, but somehow studios manage to sodomize almost every aspect of the character. If Lexi took liberties with one of the few comic heroes that don’t need it, I’m glad they let her go. My only criticism thus far is the Schumacher neon light thing; it’s not really necessary.

Also remember that if you go into this film with little to no expectations, it will most likely be entertaining.

a movie about the punisher must be made cheaply by necessity? not true. look at some of the effects in the red band trailer... this movie looks like it could have used a bigger budget. he's the easiest character to adapt? well, apparently not cuz they've tried it 3 times already. i will agree with you one the studios sodomizing characters however lexi has come closer to giving us a true punisher film that anybody else. the colors are right out of the comics, but it's understandable that some people don't like them. but she got the origin right, a high body count, real villains, and hopefully she's captured the essence of the character. time will tell.

 

[NameIsn'tBuddy]

but the budget does ultimately affect the quality of the feature.

The budget does play an important role, but money does not buy a good movie.

i'm guessing you're talking about the original halloween. those were different times. and clerks? really? what was the body count in that film? any explosions? that was a talking heads film, your comparisons are all way off.

Why would anyone even bring up the atrocious Rob Zombie film? LOL. Carpenter did nothing short of a miracle with Halloween, for a shoestring budget. Oh and Clerks 2 used The Talking Heads, not the original.

a movie about the punisher must be made cheaply by necessity? not true. look at some of the effects in the red band trailer... this movie looks like it could have used a bigger budget. he's the easiest character to adapt? well, apparently not cuz they've tried it 3 times already. i will agree with you one the studios sodomizing characters however lexi has come closer to giving us a true punisher film that anybody else. the colors are right out of the comics, but it's understandable that some people don't like them. but she got the origin right, a high body count, real villains, and hopefully she's captured the essence of the character. time will tell.

Realistically, with current budgets for films, this movie is being made quite cheaply, and the SFX aren’t at all being compromised. The Red Band trailer made me excited for this film because the Punisher is about cruel, obscene, brutal violence. I think that it’s a good thing there is no hype for the film, because IMO hype builds up unlikely expectations.

 

[Kable24]

the Punisher is about cruel, obscene, brutal violence.


That would make him a sadist. And he is not a sadist.

 

[66 Face]

I'm not really sure why The Punisher is having such a hard time getting a quality movie. It doesn't even need a bigger budget but a director that gets the tone of the character.

IMO The Punisher should be more like Taxi Driver, Henry and The Mechanic than a Schwarzenegger movie. Sappy lines, mindless action and bad actors just aren't the way to go.

 

[Microchip]

Lionsgate doesn't want to make him that way, and I doubt Marvel would either. Marvel'd just license him out to someone else, or make a PG-13 Punisher movie. And if they go the PG13 way, it'll be an action movie set in 616, because that's what Marvel does.

 

[KT7777]

Lionsgate doesn't want to make him that way, and I doubt Marvel would either. Marvel'd just license him out to someone else, or make a PG-13 Punisher movie. And if they go the PG13 way, it'll be an action movie set in 616, because that's what Marvel does.

Marvel won't be doing that no time soon.Marvel said that they will not do a PG13 Blade or Punisher.

 

[Kable24]

Marvel won't be doing that no time soon.Marvel said that they will not do a PG13 Blade or Punisher.

linky?

 

[Dark Victory]

I was completely hype for this film since day one but after reading the script (thanks to Kable24) which was very dissapointing I am in the middle right now. Can't really decide until Dec. 5.

 

[WeaponXProject]

I think this movie will be ok actually. Looking at the trailer, I think Lexi is working wonders with the budget she was given.

I agree, from what we have seen in the trailer it is man fighting with his past and inner demons. You can see the conviction in Ray Stevenson's face that is so important to the character. I think it will be a bigger hit than the 04 Punisher. The only parts I liked of the 04 Punisher was the scenes in which his family was killed and he was left for dead.

Unrelated to you Docker, I keep reading the crap about people saying there some dark humor in the movie and they don't like it. I think some of the elaborate ways he kills his enemies can be shockingly funny. Hell in the 04 Punisher he put the popsicle to the one guys back and told him he was torching him to find out information. That was funny and F***ed up at the same time. I liked that stuff.

Commercially, I doubt it will have success but with a big fan base it will become a sort of cult hit.

 

[Gotham'sKnight]

I will give this movie something the other didn't. This guy looks a lot closer to the punisher I remember growing up. This dude looks crazy,lol

 

[LastSunrise1981]

the Punisher is about cruel, obscene, brutal violence.


That would make him a sadist. And he is not a sadist.

Actually he kind of is Kable. While it's true that does have feelings and isn't a monster in what we define as a monster. He does enjoy inflicting pain if it means ridding the world of scum.

 

[Kable24]

Actually he kind of is Kable. While it's true that does have feelings and isn't a monster in what we define as a monster. He does enjoy inflicting pain if it means ridding the world of scum.

He doesn't take any joy in what he does. he has said that countless times when the character is written by competent writers anyway. Most writers (Fraction, Whedon especially) don't understand the Punisher and make him this mindless killing machine who gets a ***** every time he has a gun in his hands. When writers write him like that, of course he will come across as a sadist.