Comics Amazing spiderman 577

[kguillou]

No one is talking about this?? This issue was great man. This is what i call a team-up, not that bullcrap we got with daredevil a few months ago. Wells is pretty much on par with Dan Slott with his characterization and thats a good thing. He's got a real good grasp on the character, the punisher too. Plus Riviera's art is awesome! His art style reminds me of Marcos' Martin's alot, very old-school looking but with a touch of grittiness. I loved this issue, a very solid fun spiderman team up with the punisher, hands down one of the best BND issues yet.

 

[Web-Head408]

This was great. The interlude with Jameson I DID NOT see coming. I seriously said "Oh ****!" out loud at that.

I applaud them for taking his character somewhere new finally.

 

[Themanofbat]

Yeah... it was a good solid issue... very enjoyable.

Surprised to see Wells not part of the Braintrust anymore...

 

[kguillou]

I know man, he's so good, and Rivera needs to be part of the regular artist rotation, i love his art style for spiderman.

 

[stillanerd]

I thought this issue was just okay. Not bad, but nothing all that Amazing, pardon the pun. At least when it came to the Spider-Man/Punisher team-up. Mainly, I just got the feeling that Frank Castle just overshadowed Spidey to the point where it seemed like the guy whose name is on the title all but became a guest star in his own book.

Also, I thought that it was established that Peter never got a driver's license or learned to drive because it played havoc on his Spider sense? Then again, he did once upon a time used to drive a motorbike and there was that Spider-Mobile.

Maybe it's because the idea of him trying out different jobs apart from his freelance photography work and being unable to get one more suitable to his education is feeling a bit played out. Course, you know that this gimmick will be dead on arrival if they have Peter delivering pizzas like the character did in Spider-Man 2.

However, the section I did like and which worked really well (although it easily could have occurred after the main story rather than an interlude) was the Bookie fingering Jameson as the "S.T.K." as he calls him (not to mention the tongue in check "noirish opening" that sounded like riff on the "My city screams" trailer of the Spirit movie that's coming out.) And I think with that "Cover your ass" revelation he got makes me think the Bookie thinks it's Bill Hollister. Not just because the latest victim was a Hollister campaign volunteer, but also because (and this might be a stretch) Hollister also a clothing company which has as a featured item men's jeans (get it? "Cover your ass" with a pair of jeans). Of course, I think is another wrong lead but much closer to the truth than he realizes because I happen to think the S.T.K. is also Meance, who I also think is Carlie Cooper, who, being a forensic scientist for the NYPD (thus allowing her to rule the deaths as murders) would also have a "passion for justice" and who regards Hollister as a father figure.

 

[iloveclones]

For the first time, my issue didn't come early, so I'm still waiting. I'm so jealous.

 

[Themanofbat]

Also, I thought that it was established that Peter never got a driver's license or learned to drive because it played havoc on his Spider sense? Then again, he did once upon a time used to drive a motorbike and there was that Spider-Mobile. Maybe it's because the idea of him trying out different jobs apart from his freelance photography work and being unable to get one more suitable to his education is feeling a bit played out. Course, you know that this gimmick will be dead on arrival if they have Peter delivering pizzas like the character did in Spider-Man 2.

While in Marvel Team-Up #88, Spidey does tell the Invisible Woman that he can't drive/have a driver's license, but at the beginning of Sins Past, it shows Peter getting of a car, having driven to his work (the big talk at the time is that "why" Peter would ever feel the need to "drive" to work...), so obviously, even though he rarely drives a car, Peter was somewhat competant enough to get his license...

 

[Themanofbat]

For the first time, my issue didn't come early, so I'm still waiting. I'm so jealous.

Karma is such a good/bad thing at times...

 

[Donald Thomas]

For the first time, my issue didn't come early, so I'm still waiting. I'm so jealous.

Aloha,
Now you know how it feels to be on the outer world of the latest Spidey comics.
Spidey rules

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

While in Marvel Team-Up #88, Spidey does tell the Invisible Woman that he can't drive/have a driver's license, but at the beginning of Sins Past, it shows Peter getting of a car, having driven to his work (the big talk at the time is that "why" Peter would ever feel the need to "drive" to work...),

Read ASM Family #2, and you'll SEE why.

 

[Themanofbat]

Read ASM Family #2, and you'll SEE why.

Ok... I have the issue, but I have yet to read it... thanks.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Ok... I have the issue, but I have yet to read it... thanks.

Come back and tell me what you think afterwards.

I've been pretty happy with ASM Family so far. Anyone else?

 

[kguillou]

I'd be happier with ASM Family if J.M. DeMatteis and Alex Cal teamed up every issue, their story in #1 was awesome. But yea ASM family is solid. But back to 577, i was also a bit peeved to see Peter trying to become a cab driver. I was like "Wow, is this how low Peter has sunk? Cab Driving? He went from becoming a teacher to a cab driver??" Luckily Wells and Rivera wowed me with the rest of the issue and made me forget about that tidbit. But seriously Marvel needs to stop trying so hard to make Peter this incredible loser who can't do anything. The whole "down on his luck" thing is cool but they're really pushing it, Peter's not a kid anymore.

 

[Themanofbat]

I'd be happier with ASM Family if J.M. DeMatteis and Alex Cal teamed up every issue, their story in #1 was awesome. But yea ASM family is solid. But back to 577, i was also a bit peeved to see Peter trying to become a cab driver. I was like "Wow, is this how low Peter has sunk? Cab Driving? He went from becoming a teacher to a cab driver??" Luckily Wells and Rivera wowed me with the rest of the issue and made me forget about that tidbit. But seriously Marvel needs to stop trying so hard to make Peter this incredible loser who can't do anything. The whole "down on his luck" thing is cool but they're really pushing it, Peter's not a kid anymore.

Even grown up mature men can have hard luck all the time... hard luck does not equate to immaturity.

Peter could not hold onto his teaching job on account that he was never there to teach... sure, it was good (for him), but if he's not there half the time (on account of his being Spider-Man), is he being good for the kids that he teaches?

That's one of the coer driving points about Spdier-Man... Peter could be with and/or do anything he wants to in life, and he tries to achieve that... but unfortunately, the Spectre of Spider-Man will always come between Peter Parker and his personal life... no matter how old/young he is...

 

[Themanofbat]

Come back and tell me what you think afterwards.

I've been pretty happy with ASM Family so far. Anyone else?

Good solid issue... really enjoyable...

I liked how Peter said he was an engineer, because with his intelligence, he could easily be one, among any other sciences out there...

Reading those old ASM issues was a blast... on top of the 3 other new stories.

 

[Blader5489]

It was a good issue, but I just don't like the Punisher outside of the MAX setting.

 

[kguillou]

Originally Posted by Themanofbat


Even grown up mature men can have hard luck all the time... hard luck does not equate to immaturity.

Peter could not hold onto his teaching job on account that he was never there to teach... sure, it was good (for him), but if he's not there half the time (on account of his being Spider-Man), is he being good for the kids that he teaches?

That's one of the coer driving points about Spdier-Man... Peter could be with and/or do anything he wants to in life, and he tries to achieve that... but unfortunately, the Spectre of Spider-Man will always come between Peter Parker and his personal life... no matter how old/young he is...

Ah, all right i'll right TMOB, i'll give you that. It's true that is beauty of Peter Parker that no matter how hard he tries at everything, he seems to screw up. I dunno, i guess it just comes down to personal opinion, i'm guessing you grew up with the younger more carefree Peter Parker. Me personally, i'm a 90's baby so i guess i'm kinda used to the older, more mature teacher parker and im just sad to seem him well... kinda de-aged this way, i liked where JMS was taking him. But heck i'll get used to it, Zeb Wells and Dan slott have made me a little more confident about BND, and im optimistic about it.

 

[Themanofbat]

You're right... my first Spider-Man comics I ever bought was in 1975 (ASM #148)... and the one consistancy that I've seen in the life of Peter Parker is that no matter how hard he tries to fight it, his responsibiltiy to being Spider-Man will always come between any normal life Peter Parker craves...

I thought Spider-Man 2 really showcased the Parker Luck beautifully, in my opinion...

He's at that party, he gets yelled at by his best friend, he can't get a drink, the last hors d'oeuvre is taken from his grasp, and John Jameson announces Mary Jane's wedding proposal...

Brilliant...

 

[kguillou]

That was a brilliant movie in general, my favorite superhero movie of all time, i dont care what people say about Dark Knight( although that movie kicked 11 kinds of ass too). I dont think any movie will ever capture the magic that that movie had done. But again, the thing with Spider-man 2 was that he was still fairly young and inexperienced so everything was kinda new at the time. In the comics, Pete's a grown man and he's been through pretty much everything already, we've seen him "down on his luck" so many times already that it just kinda feels redundant when we see him penniless and jobless. I'm not saying he has to be rich or anything but a part of me wants to see some new progressive territory explored with the character, but i guess that ages Peter too much.

 

[wolvie2020]

Ah, all right i'll right TMOB, i'll give you that. It's true that is beauty of Peter Parker that no matter how hard he tries at everything, he seems to screw up. I dunno, i guess it just comes down to personal opinion, i'm guessing you grew up with the younger more carefree Peter Parker. Me personally, i'm a 90's baby so i guess i'm kinda used to the older, more mature teacher parker and im just sad to seem him well... kinda de-aged this way, i liked where JMS was taking him. But heck i'll get used to it, Zeb Wells and Dan slott have made me a little more confident about BND, and im optimistic about it.

You know what? I've never understood when people refer to the 'younger carefree,' days of Peter Parker. I'm really glad Steve Wacker feels the same way, I've argued a lot about this.

From the origin story onwards, there's always been very dark and emotional driving forces in Spider-Man stories. And they've always pushed right to the edge of what's deemed acceptable to a mainstream audience, (and I mean worldwide, not cult horror stories)

In every era, the best recieved Spider-Man stories critically and commerically have been the darkest ones generally.

 

[Themanofbat]

That was a brilliant movie in general, my favorite superhero movie of all time, i dont care what people say about Dark Knight( although that movie kicked 11 kinds of ass too). I dont think any movie will ever capture the magic that that movie had done. But again, the thing with Spider-man 2 was that he was still fairly young and inexperienced so everything was kinda new at the time. In the comics, Pete's a grown man and he's been through pretty much everything already, we've seen him "down on his luck" so many times already that it just kinda feels redundant when we see him penniless and jobless. I'm not saying he has to be rich or anything but a part of me wants to see some new progressive territory explored with the character, but i guess that ages Peter too much.

There can still be progression, but you can't have Peter "winning" all the time.. it takes away the dynamic that is Spider-Man.