The Amazing Spider-Man Anyone hate the shoes?

[Web face]

Ben's voicemail was meaningful, definitely, but that doesn't really take away the idea that I feel Webb tried to succeed as how Nolan succeeded.

Agree to disagree then?

 

[Anno_Domini]

That has to be the most f*&^ing pathetic reasoning I have ever read from someone.

What do box office numbers have to do with anything?! By that logic, when Batman Begins was released, most people prefered Keaton over Bale. But we don't know that for sure. It could have been the opposite.

And the poll? Really? When? What poll? Could I have a link?

To a certain degree, people do enjoy Keaton's Batman more, is just when it comes to Bruce Wayne, people prefer Bale's interpretation.

Very much as how I enjoy Garfield's Spider-Man more, but when it comes to just the characterization of Peter Parker, I prefer Maguire. If Garfield were in Raimi's trilogy, I'm sure Raimi would have showed him the ropes on how to become a better Peter Parker.

Agree to disagree then?

Definitely. But, again, I also agree that certain ideas such as Ben's voicemail did work as well.

 

[LegendAssemble]

I'm ignorant for having an opinion? I don't see the problem with me saying that I think The Amazing Spider-Man is a better film than the first one was. And also, if you think that this is a "wannabe Nolan flick" you have either not seen The Amazing Spider-Man or you haven't seen a film by Christopher Nolan in your life.

It's the physical aspects that feel like a Nolan film. The camera angles, the lighting, the way it's shot, it was very much shot in a Nolanesc style. You are very wrong if you don't think The Dark Knight changed things, because it very much did. In 2008 Marvel had it's most important hit since Spider-Man with Iron Man and DC had it's most influential film in years as well with the Dark Knight. 2002s Spider-Mans days as being the model superhero film that others followed were up. Marvel gave a huge amount of control to Jon Faverou in shaping the MCU in order to make all the films feel more like their model, Iron Man, just as DC did with giving Nolan Superman. Studios care about money and they tend to follow the success of other films. Also aren't you the one that said he's like a sophomore? Have you ever even taken a film class?

 

[LegendAssemble]

To a certain degree, people do enjoy Keaton's Batman more, is just when it comes to Bruce Wayne, people prefer Bale's interpretation.

Very much as how I enjoy Garfield's Spider-Man more, but when it comes to just the characterization of Peter Parker, I prefer Maguire. If Garfield were in Raimi's trilogy, I'm sure Raimi would have showed him the ropes on how to become a better Peter Parker.

It's just a matter of opinion, but Keaton wasn't a bad Bruce Wayne either. He was just different, just like how Tobey and Andrew are different. One doesn't suck just because he was in three older more successful movies, with one of them not being well received.

 

[Anno_Domini]

You are very wrong if you don't think The Dark Knight changed things, because it very much did.

"You've changed things...forever."

 

[AF3619]

You are very wrong if you don't think The Dark Knight changed things, because it very much did.

how?, just curious...

 

[LegendAssemble]

"You've changed things...forever."

Hahaha I was thinking about that line and the irony when I was typing that!

 

[Anno_Domini]

how?, just curious...

I know that wasn't to me, but if you did ask me, I would say how the tone feels very much the same between The Amazing Spider-Man and any of the films in the Dark Knight Trilogy which were darker with the tone and the lighting as well.

Webb wanted to film a "real" New York, but it didn't feel that real, imo. A more lighter "attitude" from Raimi's trilogy felt like a more New York and most of the time it wasn't even filmed in NY, lol.

 

[Web face]

Definitely. But, again, I also agree that certain ideas such as Ben's voicemail did work as well.

 

[AF3619]

I know that wasn't to me, but if you did ask me, I would say how the tone feels very much the same between The Amazing Spider-Man and any of the films in the Dark Knight Trilogy which were darker with the tone and the lighting as well.

Webb wanted to film a "real" New York, but it didn't feel that real, imo. A more lighter "attitude" from Raimi's trilogy felt like a more New York and most of the time it wasn't even filmed in NY, lol.

oh i tought in general tone of superhero films but yeah TASM it was influenced by Batman films in general for the darker tone (Batman Begins wasn´t the first dark batman flick)

 

[LegendAssemble]

how?, just curious...

A lot of movies use it as a standard to measure up to, much like pre Nolan superhero films used Raimi's Spider-Man. The words "Dark and gritty" have been used a lot to describe the Dark Knight and now it seems like when ever a studio wants to stir up the audience they'll drop those words. Also the Hans Zimmer style score is becoming more and more prevalent. It's a lot of minor details but they're easy to find once you start looking. Anyway the pacing, the focus on Peters day to day life, the attempt at being more grounded in reality rahter than only being more serious, dropping hints about Norman Osborn, using a villain the fans wanted in the canceled sequel (Lizard/Scarecrow). The explanation of the mask, ect. Also a lot of technical choices like the lighting and the types of shots chosen. Really this movie doesn't borrow from the Dark Knight as much as from Begins, but the Dark Knights success definitely lead to the influence the trilogy had.

 

[LegendAssemble]

oh i tought in general tone of superhero films but yeah TASM it was influenced by Batman films in general for the darker tone (Batman Begins wasn´t the first dark batman flick)

Well aside from the Marvel Studios films which follow in Iron Mans footsteps (which takes cues from Batman Begins) you just have the superman reboot and the Spider-Man reboot besides some halfassed cashin flicks. Plus I can't see a movie like Kick-Ass getting the green light in a pre Dark Knight world.

 

[AF3619]

A lot of movies use it as a standard to measure up to, much like pre Nolan superhero films used Raimi's Spider-Man. The words "Dark and gritty" have been used a lot to describe the Dark Knight and now it seems like when ever a studio wants to stir up the audience they'll drop those words. Also the Hans Zimmer style score is becoming more and more prevalent. It's a lot of minor details but they're easy to find once you start looking. Anyway the pacing, the focus on Peters day to day life, the attempt at being more grounded in reality rahter than only being more serious, dropping hints about Norman Osborn, using a villain the fans wanted in the canceled sequel (Lizard/Scarecrow). The explanation of the mask, ect. Also a lot of technical choices like the lighting and the types of shots chosen. Really this movie doesn't borrow from the Dark Knight as much as from Begins, but the Dark Knights success definitely lead to the influence the trilogy had.

true

 

[©KAW]

Oh sh--, what happened to this thread, you all went from talking about shoes to holding Nolan's nuts for him again?

 

[Oscorp]

Of course The Dark Knight changed things. Would be a little ignorant to say otherwise. That doesn't mean ASM is a wannabe Batman. TDK made studios realise that a more serious take on their heroes is the way to go, to not fill their films with fluff.

But to you, every serious superhero film is now a TDK rip off? Haha!

 

[VenomSpawn]

Oh sh--, what happened to this thread, you all went from talking about shoes to holding Nolan's nuts for him again?

It's not like this thread wasn't s**t from the beginning.

 

[Spider-Who?]

It's the physical aspects that feel like a Nolan film. The camera angles, the lighting, the way it's shot, it was very much shot in a Nolanesc style.

You know, I saw some low angle, slanted shots with heavy back light in Prometheus. Scott must have been copying Nolan too!

I will certainly concede that Nolan's films paved the way for other studios to not be afriad of making dramtic, serious takes on superheros. But there is nothing special about the cinematography of Nolan's Batman films, at least enough to suggest that certain shots/lighting rigs/etc are "Nolans" and everyone who uses the similar tried-and-true industry standard techniques is riding Nolan's coat tails. I greatly enjoy his films, but Nolan is no god whom every comic director aims to be. His third acts are always terrible, his fight scenes are typically sophmoric and the only movie of his that made me stop and say, "that was beautifully shot" was Inception.

 

[Oscorp]

You know, I saw some low angle, slanted shots with heavy back light in Prometheus. Scott must have been copying Nolan too!

I will certainly concede that Nolan's films paved the way for other studios to not be afriad of making dramtic, serious takes on superheros. But there is nothing special about the cinematography of Nolan's Batman films, at least enough to suggest that certain shots/lighting rigs/etc are "Nolans" and everyone who uses the similar tried-and-true industry standard techniques is riding Nolan's coat tails. I greatly enjoy his films, but Nolan is no god whom every comic director aims to be. His third acts are always terrible, his fight scenes are typically sophmoric and the only movie of his that made me stop and say, "that was beautifully shot" was Inception.

Exactly!! Though I do love Nolan's films

 

[Spider-Who?]

Exactly!! Though I do love Nolan's films

I do as well. He's in my top 5 of favorite directors, but he's no where near the level of director worship that some people claim he is.

 

[OP84CC82]

It's the physical aspects that feel like a Nolan film. The camera angles, the lighting, the way it's shot, it was very much shot in a Nolanesc style.

Since when have Christopher Nolan's films had a colorful nature to them? Since when have the images looked warmer when it's daytime? Everything was much colorful in this film than a Christopher Nolan film which strive more for realism. And no, I haven't taken a film class because I'm only a freshman in high school.

 

[Anno_Domini]

TAS-M was in no way more colorful than any of Nolan's Batfilms.

 

[Web face]

TAS-M was in no way more colorful than any of Nolan's Batfilms.

C'moon didn't some shots just look a little more colorful to you? Like the bridge scene, or the school fight? Maybe I was just a little too distracted by Spider-man's suit (It was really vibrant in this movie) and the Lizards green skin.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The only thing really vibrant was Spidey's suit, lol. Imo, the bridge scene maybe looked vibrant because of the lights from the cars and what not, but I can't call it vibrant.

The school fight, sure, but again, that's during the day time.

 

[VenomSpawn]

The crane-swinging scene is colorful as hell, I don't know what you're talking about Anno.

And the scene in my avvy is pretty colorful too.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Moonlight, a vibrant-colored suit and lights on the top of buildings in NYC would do that. As well as white doves.