anyone think it was strange that storm turned on jean instantly?

[DarknessOfDeath]

heh funny, Im watching a Famke movie

And yeah Storm believed Jean was dead for a while. She did mourned the loss of Jean... she got over that but when Jean came back, she wasn't the Jean storm knew. So. ask yourself this. how the hell would you feel when your friend comes back to life and she's killed two people already. you think she'd warm up to Jean/Phoenix?


aww Kitty cats

 

[weatherwitch]

heh funny, Im watching a Famke movie

You? No way! *le gasp*

 

[gambitfire]

Well i dunno about anyone else but im not saying Storm should of been like oh well she's still my BF4Life!! but she didn't even bother looking at the otherside to it, she was like you killed XAVIER you b.i.t.c.h you will die!! She shouldn't have not let it affect her but it was as if they where complete strangers to each other.

This thread feels like a blossoming of the Storm Ego and no offense to Storm fans but Storm (movie Storm) probably woulnd't of turned the 360 like that, Notice i said probably, because in X2 she was filled with rage.

 

[gambitfire]

Why is eveyone like "oooh, Storm turned on Jean, oooooh." Uhm, JEAN turned. That's what happened. Not Storm, Jean.

Let's not forget the fact that for awhile Ororo believed Jean to be dead. She mourned the loss of her "sister". Phoenix was not that person to her. It's not really all that complicated.

HOW OLD ARE YOU ,

No oooohs here buddy just opinion that the way Storm turned on her was awfully quickly and from everything you have wrote (which wasn't explored in the movie) she didn't even think of helping her sister just killing her.

Edit- You can argue that you can't forgive a person for being crazy but that's an opinion. If you can't forgive someone or atleast give them the benefit of the doubt because they have a problem, than that's you as a person who can't do that and your problem, but i felt like Storm wouldn't have done that, not too the movies full extent anyways.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

You? No way! *le gasp*

and please edit ur post

yeah I've never watched a halle movie besides x-men but funny, I've seen most of Famke's movies within the past 10-11 years... erm...yeah watching love and sex. good movie...

 

[weatherwitch]

Well i dunno about anyone else but im not saying Storm should of been like oh well she's still my BF4Life!! but she didn't even bother looking at the otherside to it, she was like you killed XAVIER you b.i.t.c.h you will die!! She shouldn't have not let it affect her but it was as if they where complete strangers to each other.

This thread feels like a blossoming of the Storm Ego and no offense to Storm fans but Storm (movie Storm) probably woulnd't of turned the 360 like that, Notice i said probably, because in X2 she was filled with rage.

It's 180. To turn a 360 you would end up exactly where you started. Just so you know.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

HOW OLD ARE YOU ,

No oooohs here buddy just opinion that the way Storm turned on her was awfully quickly and from everything you have wrote (which wasn't explored in the movie) she didn't even think of helping her sister just killing her.

Edit- You can argue that you can't forgive a person for being crazy but that's an opinion. If you can't forgive someone or atleast give them the benefit of the doubt because they have a problem, than that's you as a person who can't do that and your problem, but i felt like Storm wouldn't have done that, not too the movies full extent anyways.

Forgive?

Would you be saying that if that crazy person had a gun to your face and would enjoy the thought of pulling it?

Would you want a nearby cop to think about "helping" that nutcase when it was clear they were beyond help and wanted to kill you? Or would you want them to do their job and protect you--even if it meant the loss of your former friend?

Think about that and get back to me.

 

[gambitfire]

It's 180. To turn a 360 you would end up exactly where you started. Just so you know.

sorry im sure you know what i ment but you didn't response to the matter at hand.

 

[weatherwitch]

HOW OLD ARE YOU ,

Old enough to know better than to engage oversensitive comic book fans, but *sigh* I foolishly assumed that sarcasm and gentle ribbing would not be seen as direct insults. But alas, no.

No oooohs here buddy just opinion that the way Storm turned on her was awfully quickly and from everything you have wrote (which wasn't explored in the movie) she didn't even think of helping her sister just killing her.

Edit- You can argue that you can't forgive a person for being crazy but that's an opinion. If you can't forgive someone or atleast give them the benefit of the doubt because they have a problem, than that's you as a person who can't do that and your problem, but i felt like Storm wouldn't have done that, not too the movies full extent anyways.

I can argue that you can't forgive a person that evaporated one of your dearest friends and mentor. Benefit of the doubt? It was frikkin' witnessed. Jean killed Xavier--or at least believed she did. And then countless more at the end of the movie. Jean wasn't your typical MPD patient. Her plit-apart could rip apart the planet on a molecular level. There's no room to err on the side of "she's troubled, but maybe we can help her." Maybe's won't cut it with lives on the line.

 

[weatherwitch]

and please edit ur post
.

Sure, sure DoD, just as soon as you edit every random, useless, "I love Famke" post you've made across the board. I'll get right on that.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

This thread feels like a blossoming of the Storm Ego and no offense to Storm fans but Storm (movie Storm) probably woulnd't of turned the 360 like that, Notice i said probably, because in X2 she was filled with rage.

A fan of the Phoenix is questioning why Storm distanced herself from someone who obliterated hundreds of people in cold blood--including half of the original X-Mansion staff.

And you're saying this thread is about Storm's ego?

No.

It was Jean who apostasized. It's just that simple. Those who survived had to make decisions accordingly. This is not about Storm betraying Jean. It's about Jean betraying everything the X-Men stood for--and killing them.

 

[gambitfire]

Forgive?

Would you be saying that if that crazy person had a gun to your face and would enjoy the thought of pulling it?

Would you want a nearby cop to think about "helping" that nutcase when it was clear they were beyond help and wanted to kill you? Or would you want them to do their job and protect you--even if it meant the loss of your former friend?

Think about that and get back to me.

Oh no LS youve made me see the light i fall in your glory.........................


Anyways, your situation is overwhelmingly extreme and you can take down the crazy person without killing them, and as scared as i would be i won't be thinking please kill my friend please kill my friend, I would also try to reason with "my crazy friend" sure id bee scared *****less and crying like a baby but i would try something, anyone would to not get shot.

oh and while you say they would enjoy the tought of pulling it, Jean did have a good side to her so your comparison isn't that well done.

 

[Farren]

I don't take issue with Storm quickly deciding that Jean needed be dealt with - even if it meant killing her.

I do however have problems with how she viewed Jean: her whole 'She's made her choice' comment didn't make sense to me - Jean's crazy, I wouldn't say she outright chose to vaporize Scott and Xavier. I also would have expected Storm to feel a little, er, sad about having to kill Jean - instead she just seemed nothing but angry at her.

 

[gambitfire]

A fan of the Phoenix is questioning why Storm distanced herself from someone who obliterated hundreds of people in cold blood--including half of the original X-Mansion staff.

And you're saying this thread is about Storm's ego?

No.

It was Jean who apostasized. It's just that simple. Those who survived had to make decisions accordingly. This is not about Storm betraying Jean. It's about Jean betraying everything the X-Men stood for--and killing them.

2 ppl had died not a hundred when storm turned so don't give me that, AND ALL IM SAYING IS THAT STORM DIDN'T EVEN GIVE THE WOMAN A GLIMPSE OF A CHANCE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO REALIZE THAT JEAN HAD A PROBLEM.

 

[gambitfire]

I don't take much issue with Storm quickly deciding that Jean needed be dealt with - even if it meant killing her.

I do however have problems with how she viewed Jean: her whole 'She's made her choice' comment didn't make sense to me - Jean's crazy, I wouldn't say she outright chose to vaporize Scott and Xavier. I also would have expected Storm to feel a little, er, sad about having to kill Jean - instead she just seemed nothing but angry at her.

Exaclty, and that felt wrong coming from the storm character. IMO

Edit- Then again heaven forbid a character is properly potrayed in a movie adaptation, cuz we all know all change is allowed when it comes to movies.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Oh no LS youve made me see the light i fall in your glory.........................

Good.

Anyways, your situation is overwhelmingly extreme

My analogy is "overwhelmingly extreme"?

And Jean's actions weren't?

Okay.

as i would be i won't be thinking please kill my friend please kill my friend, I would also try to reason with "my crazy friend" sure id bee scared *****less and crying like a baby but i would try something, anyone would to not get shot.

When did Storm ever come across like she wanted Jean to die? She warned Logan to let her go because she was dangerous. How did Logan respond? Let's count the ways:


* He ignored Storm

*He went after Jean

*He had his behind handed to him by Magneto

*Jean didn't help him--and left his butt for dead a SECOND time

*He came right back to X-Mansion begging for Storm's help



NEXT: Storm later counseled him by asking "Are you ready to do what you need to do?" before they went into battle. Some fans would like to assume that she meant "kill Jean"--but that's not what she said. Her ambiguous, cryptic statement was left wide open to Logan's interpretation.

And he did what he had to do....of his own accord.

I love debating these issues...but we must stick to the facts.

oh and while you say they would enjoy the tought of pulling it, Jean did have a good side to her so your comparison isn't that well done.

Where was this good side? Did Storm ever see it?

No.

What did Storm see? Terror. Let's count the ways:

*Logan left for dead in Jean's wake

*Scott's passing

*Charles' passing

*Jean's team-up with the X-Men's archnemesis

*A least a hundred innocents (the ground troops) being demolecularized

*Death, destruction and chaos--and Jean right in the middle of it

Where do you see anything "good" in those situations? Storm didn't witness any of it. And to be truthful, if it's in there I need help finding it too.

 

[gambitfire]

Old enough to know better than to engage oversensitive comic book fans, but *sigh* I foolishly assumed that sarcasm and gentle ribbing would not be seen as direct insults. But alas, no.

that's cute, im hurt........

I can argue that you can't forgive a person that evaporated one of your dearest friends and mentor. Benefit of the doubt? It was frikkin' witnessed. Jean killed Xavier--or at least believed she did. And then countless more at the end of the movie. Jean wasn't your typical MPD patient. Her plit-apart could rip apart the planet on a molecular level. There's no room to err on the side of "she's troubled, but maybe we can help her." Maybe's won't cut it with lives on the line.

Ok i didn't see she should forget the whole thing but their wasn't even a hint of compassion or care, w/e you obviously would do that to a friend who just killed another one of your friends, hell you may just kill him yourself, but me i can't do that i couldn't just turn on him/her but i wouldn't have to forgive them.

 

[S7ilver]

I'd love to hear Storm's explanation to the dozens of families whos husbands were murdered by Phoenix

"Well I know she went crazy and obliterated your husbands and fathers with the blink of an eye but..we were on a plane together for like 3 hours in X2, isn't that enough?"

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

2 ppl had died not a hundred when storm turned so don't give me that, AND ALL IM SAYING IS THAT STORM DIDN'T EVEN GIVE THE WOMAN A GLIMPSE OF A CHANCE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO REALIZE THAT JEAN HAD A PROBLEM.

Did we see the same Third Act? I could be wrong but Trask mentioned that there were a hundred ground troops on that bridge heading for Alcatraz. When they arrived and fired "Cure" darts, Jean destroyed them all.

Then she destroyed....well, everything else. I recall soldiers falling off watch-towers and not even hitting the ground before being vaporized.

That's more than 2 people man. A lot more than 2.

 

[gambitfire]

My analogy is "overwhelmingly extreme"?

And Jean's actions weren't?
Okay.

Not in comparison to what you said, last i checked Jean didn't gladly pull the trigger on Cyclops and when she killed Xavier their was instegation on Magneto's behalf although yes ill give you that Storm didn't know that.

When did Storm ever come across like she wanted Jean to die? She warned Logan to let her go because she was dangerous. He ignored her, went after her, had his behind handed to him and came right back to X-Mansion begging for Storm's help.

Well then did she come across like she didn't, what im saying is that their was no relation their no care, it was all like she turned bad let's take her down, friend she's not my friend i don't even know this woman.

It felt as if the character didn't even know each other.

She later counseled him by asking "Are you ready to do what you need to do?" before they went into battle. Some fans would like to assume that she meant "kill Jean"--but that's not what she said. Her ambiguous, cryptic statement was left wide open to Logan's interpretation.

And he did what he had to do....of his own accord.

That is true but let's face it, it's obvious what the masses got out of the one line.

Where was this good side? Did Storm ever see it?

No.

What did Storm see? Terror. Let's count the ways:

*Logan left for dead in Jean's wake

*Scott's passing

*Charles' passing

*Jean's team-up with the X-Men's archnemesis

*Hundreds of innocents being demolecularized

*Death, destruction and chaos--and Jean right in the middle of it

Where do you see good in those situations? Storm didn't witness any of it. And to be truthful, if it's in there I need help finding it too.

She didn't really see much damage done to Wolverine nor did she see what really happend to scott and she only knows that Xavier died but didnt see it either, and again when Storm said what she said She had yet to kill hundreds so that's out of context.

So yes storm didn't witness any good but she had yet too witness The full extent of Chaos, so with the little knowledge she had she was awfully quick to jump on the band wagon. Yes i will agree that Xaviers death may have been enough to make her jump but their should of been a hint of compassion, ATLEAST I feel there should of.

 

[Goddessreicho]

i can't do that i couldn't just turn on him/her but i wouldn't have to forgive them.

Sooo...what would you do, just let them go and contiue commiting mass murder?

I mean Xavier and Storm had to make really tough choices and in the end so did Logan.

If Storm went on a killing spree, I think Jean would have been in the same place.

And where did you SEE in the movies that Jean and Ororo were close as sisters. They had ONE scene together in X2, and it all about them flying the jet to pick up Nightcralwer. All business.

 

[gambitfire]

Did we see the same Third Act? I could be wrong but Trask mentioned that there were a hundred ground troops on that bridge heading for Alcatraz. When they arrived and fired "Cure" darts, Jean destroyed them all.

Then she destroyed....well, everything else. I recall soldiers falling off watch-towers and not even hitting the ground before being vaporized.

That's more than 2 people man. A lot more than 2.

and Storm knew all of this how? because Magneto hasn't killed ppl.

Beast said they found Magneto not they found Magneto and he and Jean are killing hundreds.

 

[gambitfire]

Sooo...what would you do, just let them go and contiue commiting mass murder?

No i didn't say i wouldn't let them go to jail, i was talking about emotion not physical responsibility.

I mean Xavier and Storm had to make really tough choices and in the end so did Logan.

Yea well we never saw Storm struggel with her choice like Xavier and Logan did. It's not like the movie even had enough time to let anyone else properly struggle with anything.

If Storm went on a killing spree, I think Jean would have been in the same place.

That's your opinion i on the other hand don't think so because Jean is a very compasionate character.

And where did you SEE in the movies that Jean and Ororo were close as sisters. They had ONE scene together in X2, and it all about them flying the jet to pick up Nightcralwer. All business.

I didn't see that they where sisters i was responding to what WW wrote and how he wrote it.

 

[Goddessreicho]

"Well I know she went crazy and obliterated your husbands and fathers with the blink of an eye but..we were on a plane together for like 3 hours in X2, isn't that enough?"

lol, I just mentioned that, I think you beat me to it.

But just to stress this point, ah, driving from upstate New York to Boston is a three hr DRIVE, on a super sonic jet...





15-20 mins max!

 

[gambitfire]

I'd love to hear Storm's explanation to the dozens of families whos husbands were murdered by Phoenix

"Well I know she went crazy and obliterated your husbands and fathers with the blink of an eye but..we were on a plane together for like 3 hours in X2, isn't that enough?"

that was funny but we don't know anything about alot of these characters past so that's just an assumption that they didn't know each other, and with so many characters it's hard to get proper interaction between all of them so that when you get it, it seems weird awkward or bad. which i think is what happened here.

edit- also why not i mean apparantly Logan fell in love with Jean in less than week, so why can't they be best friends from a plane ride and some hanging out in X1