Anyone upset about Jolie as Fox?

[CaptainGenerica]

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.

I don't know; this seems like a bigger fuss than I've ever seen about cross-racial casting in the other direction.

Of course, the time when there's really no fuss is when neither the original character nor the actor playing him are white... like Ken Watanabe playing R'as Al Ghul. Or at least from what I saw.

 

[CombatRock319]

i think its just dissappointing since the there was such a blantant reference to the fox being halle berry. although if eminem isnt in the movie, i really wont hold a grudge.

 

[RockSP]

I don't know; this seems like a bigger fuss than I've ever seen about cross-racial casting in the other direction.

You have got to be kidding.

 

[JMadisonIV]

of course nobody is upset about Jolie as Fox.

but let a black actress be cast as Mary Jane Watson, and see what happens.

I'm just sayin'.....

(for the record, I think the casting of The Fox stinks. just like most every other part of this movie that I've heard or read of.)

 

[shinlyle]

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.

Well, either way, the casting is just one of MANY problems this film has right now.

 

[Superman_]

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.

I have to agree here. I mean look at the fuss they had when Stan Lee made Batman black or the fuss they had when Lois was almost cast as a black woman.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I liked it as well. I know a lot of girls who liked it for Angie as well as Brad. Both were very good in the film, IMO.

Hehe - I loved Mr & Mrs Smith - It's funny, and entertaining. Sure, it's light, throwaway and a tad superficial but it damn sure is fun.

Exactly. Cast Kingpin as a Black guy, and it's okay...but if Blade or Black Panther were white in the films, the **** would hit the fan at how Hollywood is a bunch of racists.

Can you say double standards, boys and girls? I knew you could.

Still I have no real issue with such decisions. I'd rather see a faithful script with a couple of races changed than see a steaming pile of crap...which is probably what we'll get.

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.

I don't know; this seems like a bigger fuss than I've ever seen about cross-racial casting in the other direction.

Of course, the time when there's really no fuss is when neither the original character nor the actor playing him are white... like Ken Watanabe playing R'as Al Ghul. Or at least from what I saw.

of course nobody is upset about Jolie as Fox.

but let a black actress be cast as Mary Jane Watson, and see what happens.

I'm just sayin'.....

(for the record, I think the casting of The Fox stinks. just like most every other part of this movie that I've heard or read of.)

Quite - the buzz about Fury being in Iron Man as played by SLJ springs to mind. I love the Ultimates as much as the next guy, but I'm pissed that 616 Fury doesnt get the chance to redeem himself cinematically after the disastrous Hassellhoff effort.

Well, either way, the casting is just one of MANY problems this film has right now.

Yup, as it happens, in answer to the thread, I don't agree with the casting of Jolie - simply because I like the actors cast to actually resemble the characters they are potraying.

But hey, as far as I'm concerned, these arent the characters from the comic so I don't really care what they look like tbh.

 

[Hole Shot]

I wouldn't mind Jolie if the movie was going to maintain the story and theme of the comic, but since it's going in a complete opposite direction and completely missing the point ...then yes, Jolie and everything else sucks so far

 

[ang_hulk]

agian-YES

 

[TheVileOne]

Just FYI for perspective:

When the Spawn movie was being made, they cast a white actor, DB Sweeney, in the role of Terry, Al Simmons best friend and Wanda Blake's second husband in the comics. The character in the comics is a black man, changed to a white character in the movie.

This upset a lot of Spawn fans. The Spawn creative team that OK'ed it defended it by saying, "We need another white guy in there because if we don't then it will be considered a 'black' movie." I'm serious, they put this in the letter and news sections of the Spawn comics at the time. Some were incensed by it, other fans that were just blind Spawn fans at the time and were willing to eat whatever crap McFarlane fed us.

Looking back the reasoning for that change was racist and quite frankly ******ed. Then again, the movie sucked, probably like WANTED will as well.

 

[terry78]

I think all the white people I see coming out of Tyler Perry flicks would argue that assessment.

 

[TheVileOne]

That assessment being . . . what exactly?

 

[KenK]

That assessment being . . . what exactly?

That black movies won't make any money. But I'd have to argue with you, Terry, that Tyler Perry movies are proving more an exception than a rule. You have to understand, Tyler Perry made a name for himself with the black public with his plays BEFORE he started making movies. The "Madea Franchise" as it were was a huge hit when it came to the plays, so when he started adapting those plays to film, the films succeeded on word of mouth from people who had seen the plays. For Diary of a Mad Black Woman to make so much money as a movie, it had to be from just one person saying, "There's gonna be a movie based on the Madea play!", 'cause there certainly wasn't that much official promotion for the film.

But all this is irrelevant in regards to Wanted. Casting Fox as a black woman wouldn't have made Wanted a "black movie", especially with the lead still being white.

I could accept Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin because that's a tough role to fill when the actor has to be a certain size, and be as articulate as the Kingpin is. Not to mention casting suggestions that ignored the fact that Kingpin isn't fat, as somewould like to think. He couldn't have a sumo wrestler's body. But in the case of The Fox, it doesn't really make any sense. As others have stated, as much of a reputation as Jolie has, she's not nearly as bankable as we're led to believe, and this is coming from someone who'd tramble some old ladies to get close enough just to smell Jolie's hair(and not the kind that's on her head!). Not that Halle Berry had to be cast, but she was clearly meant to serve as a visual inspiration. And judging from behind the scenes photos, they couldn't even give Jolie a comparable look in the film, in regards to clothing or hairstyle.

 

[TheVileOne]

Is there anything comparable to the comic and movie regarding Wanted?

 

[Swordmaster]

The first half-hour. Kind of.

 

[Venomfan]

Actually, I meant that people cry that it's being too p.c. when a black actor is cas as a white character, but a white one being cast as a black, no one really cares. I think you misunderstood my rant. If Fox was white and say...Angela Bassett was cast, fanboys would go nuts. No one really gives a rat's ass about this.

i think the reason no one cares though, as pointed out many times throughout this thread, is because the movie is nothing like the comic anyway, if it was, more people would care.

 

[Symbiotica]

She's not gonna be much like Fox of the book WANTED anyways....no matter if she was played by a black actress or not....so my answer is NO. I'm so disapointed in what I've read about this movie (and I loved the book), I wouldn't care if Fox was played by a dude at this point.

I was hoping for Michelle Rodriquez, who is more than tough enough to make a good Fox, with the added bonus of being ethnic.

I have to agree here: they could cast PeeWee Herman in the role at this point. I really don't care, the entire thing is already ruined beyond repair.

I will never understand the POINT of ticking off the target audience.

 

[RockSP]

Of course, the time when there's really no fuss is when neither the original character nor the actor playing him are white... like Ken Watanabe playing R'as Al Ghul. Or at least from what I saw.

Yeah but Liam Neeson was really Al Ghul.

 

[chamber-music]

Just FYI for perspective:

When the Spawn movie was being made, they cast a white actor, DB Sweeney, in the role of Terry, Al Simmons best friend and Wanda Blake's second husband in the comics. The character in the comics is a black man, changed to a white character in the movie.

This upset a lot of Spawn fans. The Spawn creative team that OK'ed it defended it by saying, "We need another white guy in there because if we don't then it will be considered a 'black' movie." I'm serious, they put this in the letter and news sections of the Spawn comics at the time. Some were incensed by it, other fans that were just blind Spawn fans at the time and were willing to eat whatever crap McFarlane fed us.

Looking back the reasoning for that change was racist and quite frankly ******ed. Then again, the movie sucked, probably like WANTED will as well.

they do that often in Hollywood. more that a couple black main characters and its a black movie.

Thats why Hollywood never moves forward. If they just cast who was best for the part instead of filling some kind of demographic then we would actully start getting some decent movies without token racial characters.

 

[terry78]

Now if they ever decide to do the Ant movie, they will have no choice.

 

[Venomfan]

Now if they ever decide to do the Ant movie, they will have no choice.

it would be politically correct to cast an actual ant, they do outnumber us, we don't want to anger them

 

[Justin]

I have to agree here. I mean look at the fuss they had when Stan Lee made Batman black or the fuss they had when Lois was almost cast as a black woman.

Both of those characters are iconic characters known by the general public and this is a character that was in one graphic novel. Batman and Superman both had comics that at one time sold millions of copies a week and yet Wanted sold around 100k per issue...right? Batman and Lois Lane are characters well known by the general public from the various TV and Movie adaptations and this character is from a limited series not heard of outside of the comic book community (usually not heard of). Its not like there would be no uproar if this was done with a well known black comic book character like Cyborg from the Teen Titans, Luke Cage, or Black Panther.

So when Lois Lane is almost cast as a black woman you get people from movie sites, news sites, and entertainment sites who dont read comics complaining. With Wanted you have a minority of comic book fans complaining, so it seems like not that many people care, but in reality its that not that many people are even familiar with the source material. I mean look at how few comments this board gets compared to boards for movies way farther out from release. Even then the majority of people I have seen talking about this have been upset by the casting decision or didnt care because this movie is already a massive screw up.

I have no idea what the fuss was over a black Batman, never paid any attention to it myself. I mean he was from an alternate reality, right? Its not like he changed the original character in any way, about the only thing that he used from the character was the name.

I think the casting of Angelina Jolie as Fox is stupid, but so is everything else with this movie, it seems. I dont understand how they can say she has the ability to "become" this character more then anyone else. She is not really that good of an actress and I think there are plenty of people out there who could pull off a portrayal of the character way better than she can.

Quite - the buzz about Fury being in Iron Man as played by SLJ springs to mind. I love the Ultimates as much as the next guy, but I'm pissed that 616 Fury doesnt get the chance to redeem himself cinematically after the disastrous Hassellhoff effort.

I dislike the Fury casting decision because in my mind it changes the movie from being a regular Iron Man movie (616) to being an Ultimates Iron Man movie. I missed the boat with the Ultimates and was never able to pick up any of the series so I am not to attached to those versions of the characters.

 

[GL1]

So... basically when a white main character is cast as black

• Fanboys go up in arms
• They instantly assume the movie will horribly suck because of it
• They cry "PC! PC!" until their lungs get sore
• They don't really gain any more information at all on the subject and cannot be disuaded from their current point of view.

When a black main character is cast as white

• Fanboys don't really care that much
• They note other problems in the movie make this a non-issue
• They think how much they like the Actress and then REALLY don't care
• They pretend that casting white-to-black didn't really raise much of a stink, despite how loudly they decried such "atrocities."

W.T.H???

Regardless, Hollywood is completely clueless on blackness... Hollywood feels like Black headlined movies can't sell, so Will Smith has to do it five or six times before they relent, and then they say, "But it won't sell oversesas" and then after he does (Happyness) they say "Oh, but Will is the exception, no other black person could possibly do it, so we still won't let other blacks headline movies" and that, is complete illogical bull****.

What's worse... movies with plenty of main cast members who are black. Obviously that's a "black movie," and "only black people go to black movies" hollywood seems to feel... forget how many black people go to "White movies." I guess black people are just easier to please or something... you can just give them anything. So when Tyler Perry makes an all black movie that everyone loves Hollywood (and other myopic individuals) say "Oh, Tyler Perry's the exception, people still don't like to see black movies... it's just Tyler Perry movies, they would never go out to see OTHER black movies." Also completely illogical bullcrap. In the face of clear proof, a person unwilling to learn says: "Oh, that's just an exception, I refuse to change my perspective even when it has been clearly disproven."

Regardless, this topic makes me laugh. If Morgan Freeman's character had been named one of the leads in the GN, fans would be up in arms... but having Fox be a white woman? ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM.

Now, that is a hot mess no matter how you slice it.

Edit:
Oh, yeah... to answer the question:

NO, I do not have a problem.

• Just like I didn't have a problem with MCD as Kingpin
• Just like I didn't have a problem with Halle as Catwoman (despite the fact that it was a HORRIBLE movie)
• Just like I didn't have a problem with Organic Webshooters
• Just like I didn't have a problem with Hulk's Nanites Origin change
• Just like I didn't have a problem with "The Tumbler"

See the consistency? Yeah, I'm a jerk... but I'm a consistent jerk, at least.

 

[TheVileOne]

Al Sharpton probably doesn't read comic books and doesn't know about this.

And just FYI, there was outcry and controversy when a white guy was cast as Terry in Spawn.

 

[terry78]

Yeah, I see the resemblance. Though like I said, Jolie could basically play any comic female, as she has the bone structure of a Jim Lee drawing.