Comics Are any of you pissed at JMS?

[Dangerous]

The way I see it SSM is good, and apart from that I am happy to pin all my hopes and dreams on the teaming of Loeb/JSC in 07 right now.

 

[Chris Wallace]

As it should be. After all, a writer can only do so much with his EIC breathing down his neck pushing these ******ed ideas on him.

"Ooh! Ooh! Now give him organic webshooters! Gwen had a baby with Norman! No! TWO! Yeah, this is great stuff! Okayyy..... make him sick! Put him in a coccoon! Wrist spikes! I am awesome! Nowwwww....... make him roll over! Play dead! Fetch a stick!"

That is the funniest post you have made yet.

 

[HoratioRome]

As it should be. After all, a writer can only do so much with his EIC breathing down his neck pushing these ******ed ideas on him.

"Ooh! Ooh! Now give him organic webshooters! Gwen had a baby with Norman! No! TWO! Yeah, this is great stuff! Okayyy..... make him sick! Put him in a coccoon! Wrist spikes! I am awesome! Nowwwww....... make him roll over! Play dead! Fetch a stick!"

t: t:

 

[Jack O'Lantern]

On topic (somewhat), I'm not so much angry at him anymore as I am dissappointed. He CAN write a great Spidey, he just doesn't. We've seen how hit and miss his stories are. It's upsetting.

I think everyone's anger has been directed towards Joe Q, at this point.

Totally. JMS has proven to be a very capable writer...when he isnt turning out bull**** like The Other. Its Joe's job to tell him "Uh...no. Try again." He hasnt been doing that. He's aiding and abetting.

 

[Kool-Aid]

I read Sins Past again a few weeks ago and during the parts where he was trying to explain that and why they were Normans kids felt rushed and not smooth like it did up to that. I felt bad for Pete when Sarah tried to explain why he wasn't the dad, then they focused on his face(or mask) after she said because they never.... . I was just like damn poor Pete.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I'm pissed at JMS for writing The Other and crapping on his own totem storyline.

And moving Supreme Power from MAX to Marvel Knights.

Other than that he's a pretty good writer and wrote some pretty awesome Spidey tales. Too bad his run is tarnished by a couple storylines with most of the Spider-fan community.

I mean, we COULD have Howard Mackie.

 

[Cyclops]

But Howard suffered from the same things JMS suffers from now - editorial mandate.

 

[Cullen]

Wait a second. There was a thread bashing JMS I missed? How could that have happened?

 

[Cyclops]

Probably because this thread is older than you.

 

[vegeta21]

I don't mind JMS, but I think he's running out of steam. I'd like to see someone else give a go on ASM.

 

[Dragon]

I read Sins Past again a few weeks ago and during the parts where he was trying to explain that and why they were Normans kids felt rushed and not smooth like it did up to that. I felt bad for Pete when Sarah tried to explain why he wasn't the dad, then they focused on his face(or mask) after she said because they never.... . I was just like damn poor Pete.

It's because it was rushed. JMS was writing the story with the intent being that they were indeed Peter's kids. Joe Q weighed in saying that Peter having kids would "age" him (That's a serious pet peeve for Joe Q. Kids age Peter. Marriage ages Peter. Divorce ages Peter. He need s to focus on what crappy stories do to Peter). So they had to scramble to come up with a new solution- that being the ridiuclous idea of Norman being the father.

 

[Orko Is King]

I don't mind JMS, but I thik he's running out of steam. I'd like to see someone else give a go on ASM.

Yah, he started out quite nicely, but it's time for a change methinks. Really, how long does it take to say all you need to say about a character?

 

[Cullen]

Probably because this thread is older than you.

It's over 33 years old? Whoa!

 

[Cyclops]

You know that on the Internet, the only age that matters is your join date age.

We don't care that you're almost a middle-aged man who's probably going to start losing his hair any day now if he hasn't already.

 

[Cullen]

You know that on the Internet, the only age that matters is your join date age.

We don't care that you're almost a middle-aged man who's probably going to start losing his hair any day now if he hasn't already.

Jeez, man, below the belt. And all too accurate.

 

[Arach Knight]

I mean, we COULD have Howard Mackie.

If you search the web, there is actually an interview where Howard Mackie states that the clone saga was originally only going to run for something like 5 or 6 issues. He said that the EIC at the time, was rushing Mackie and his team, and forcing a lot of outside ideas on them. That is what led to the two year disaster that we got. Flashing foward to now, I think about how Quesada and JMS openly admit that the more drastic changes to Spidey, have been warped takes on JMS's original plots, as carried out by Joe Q himself. It seems to me that the Editor In Chief more often than not, is responsibe for more grief in the comics room, than most fans acknowlede. I was reading up on Jim Shooter, and as great as he was, even he had controversy apparently. He used to have some poilcy where no Marvel characters could be gay. Apparently it caused quite the uproar. I believe somebody already said it, but most fan angst these days is directed all at Joe Quesada...mine included.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

As it should be. After all, a writer can only do so much with his EIC breathing down his neck pushing these ******ed ideas on him.

"Ooh! Ooh! Now give him organic webshooters! Gwen had a baby with Norman! No! TWO! Yeah, this is great stuff! Okayyy..... make him sick! Put him in a coccoon! Wrist spikes! I am awesome! Nowwwww....... make him roll over! Play dead! Fetch a stick!"

Hellarious!

I only hate JMS because he sucks, he's pompous about sucking and he's ruined the Amazing Spider-Man and Gwen Stacy for an entire generation of readers.

 

[Happenstance]

Just found a quote saying that I wouldnt be dropping ASM after this, I see that didnt last long

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

Wouldn't it be awesome if someone dressed up as Spider-Man went to a con where JMS is appearing and tried to beat him up, then someone 'caught' it on cameraphone and posted it on YouTube? Yes. That would. Be awesome.

 

[Venomfan]

Wouldn't it be awesome if someone dressed up as Spider-Man went to a con where JMS is appearing and tried to beat him up, then someone 'caught' it on cameraphone and posted it on YouTube? Yes. That would. Be awesome.

and joe q.......how i loathe him....

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Picturing that brought a tear of joy to my eye. Thank you, Ultimate Kaine.


Unfortunatly, it also made me wonder where I could pick up a Spidey costume.

 

[KingOfDreams]

I don't know how much of many of the more controversial things he's done are truly his decision or have some sort of editorial hand in it...but he's still the writer and I don't like the direction he's taken ASM and FF.

 

[Ultimate Kaine]

I'm sure once it's all said and done and JMS has moved on, there will be finger pointing. But we can all say with certainty that as a team, JMS & JQ have reamed Spider-Man.

JMS.
JQ.
The Spider-Man Ream Team!

 

[Chris Wallace]

Picturing that brought a tear of joy to my eye. Thank you, Ultimate Kaine.


Unfortunatly, it also made me wonder where I could pick up a Spidey costume.

Whatever you do, don't unmask.

 

[SpideyInATree]

If you search the web, there is actually an interview where Howard Mackie states that the clone saga was originally only going to run for something like 5 or 6 issues. He said that the EIC at the time, was rushing Mackie and his team, and forcing a lot of outside ideas on them. That is what led to the two year disaster that we got. Flashing foward to now, I think about how Quesada and JMS openly admit that the more drastic changes to Spidey, have been warped takes on JMS's original plots, as carried out by Joe Q himself. It seems to me that the Editor In Chief more often than not, is responsibe for more grief in the comics room, than most fans acknowlede. I was reading up on Jim Shooter, and as great as he was, even he had controversy apparently. He used to have some poilcy where no Marvel characters could be gay. Apparently it caused quite the uproar. I believe somebody already said it, but most fan angst these days is directed all at Joe Quesada...mine included.

I'm a Clone Saga freak. I've read the entire 32 part Life of Reilly article where it chronicles the entire clone saga and Tom F'n Defalco himself comments on the state of Marvel during that time period.

People complain about Quesada but during that time at Marvel people would be begging for a Quesada to be editor in chief.