are we being lied to about the threat of terrorism?

[Mr. Credible]

okay, so my friend and i were just talking about crap in general, blah blah blah, and i brought up a good point that i'd like to ask your thoughts on, i'll make it short and sweet:

okay, so, terrorists hate america so damn much, right? and according to bush, if we pull out of iraq, the terrorists win, and we'll "have another 9-11" on our hands... um... so, what's stopping the terrorist from hitting us now? how does us being in iraq stop terrorists from blowing some stuff up? how hard can it be, if the insurgants in iraq can kill 10 or so soldiers a day, via suicide bombing in a lot of cases, (proving they're not out to only kill thousands at a time) to kill people over here? especialy given out very lax border policy? if some high school kid can find out how to make pipe bombs via the internet, get guns, etc, and kill a bunch of kids that picked on him, why aren't we being attacked more? how hard wold it be for a terrorist to make a bomb and go to a mall or something?

my point is, are we being lied to about the actual threat of terrorism? is the government using fear to keep us compliant about being in iraq (among other things)? if we pulled out right now, how would america be any less safe than it is now?

if the terrorists wanted to get us so bad, then why aren't they? it would be so easy.

 

[PhotoJones]

The fact that you're seriously asking this question is laughable.

"Are we being lied to?"

Are you kidding me?

 

[Mr. Credible]

wow... good point. you sure showed me.

 

[DorkyFresh]

he has a point...we've been lied to by our government for decades. it's only common sense that they're lying about the threat of terrorism. if anything, the politicians that keep bringing up terrorism are the terrorists themselves. they scared America into thinking there was a significant threat in the first place...

 

[PhotoJones]

It's not about "showing" you. How old are you? If you were, say, under the age of 12, I would be more apt to take the question seriously.

 

[Motown Marvel]

i dont think we're necessarily being lied to about terrorism being a threat....because obviously, especially after 9/11, it is. but to what degree? im sure that has been quite exaggerated by this administration to keep the country in fear.

 

[DorkyFresh]

i dont think we're necessarily being lied to about terrorism being a threat....because obviously, especially after 9/11, it is.

i'd even argue against that. it's pretty clear that 9/11 didn't happen because the "terrorists" were so good that they penetrated our defenses. all the evidence points to the government knowingly letting 9/11 happen, ala Pearl Harbor.

 

[Mr. Credible]

i dont think we're necessarily being lied to about terrorism being a threat....because obviously, especially after 9/11, it is. but to what degree? im sure that has been quite exaggerated by this administration to keep the country in fear.

true.

but i don't think 9/11 is a good comparison, being one of (if not the) worst terrorist attack on american soil.

my point was

a) terrorists hate us, and want to hurt us.
b) they are not against using suicide bombers to do so.
c) they are not only out to get "the big score" (ie: killing thousands at a time) they can kill 10 or 20 at a time, and think it's worth while.
d) it's very easy for them to get into america (especially through mexico), and easy for them to either get, or make weapons.

so, why aren't they? i think it's fairly obvious we're being lied to.

 

[Mr. Credible]

i'd even argue against that. it's pretty clear that 9/11 didn't happen because the "terrorists" were so good that they penetrated our defenses. all the evidence points to the government knowingly letting 9/11 happen, ala Pearl Harbor.

word.

 

[PhotoJones]

i dont think we're necessarily being lied to about terrorism being a threat....because obviously, especially after 9/11, it is. but to what degree? im sure that has been quite exaggerated by this administration to keep the country in fear.

Exaggerated?

It's gotten to the point where if you don't agree with the Republicans about what color the sky is, then you're letting the terrorists win, and they're going to come in the night and take your mother.

Seriously, what's the point of the "Terror Alert" crap? Everytime they need to distract you from something, they raise the alert. Then the "news" covers it, you hear it and begin wondering what happened that all of a sudden it's a little unsafer to be an American. When you're wondering that, they've done their job, and you're another oblivious American lost in a sea of lies.

So yes. You're being lied to.

 

[Motown Marvel]

true.

but i don't think 9/11 is a good comparison, being one of (if not the) worst terrorist attack on american soil.

my point was

a) terrorists hate us, and want to hurt us.
b) they are not against using suicide bombers to do so.
c) they are not only out to get "the big score" (ie: killing thousands at a time) they can kill 10 or 20 at a time, and think it's worth while.
d) it's very easy for them to get into america (especially through mexico), and easy for them to either get, or make weapons.

so, why aren't they? i think it's fairly obvious we're being lied to.

heres why they havent: because first off, its not as easy as you make it out to be. despite anyone's views on the effieciency of homeland security, they ARE doing something. in any case, they're certainly not making it any easier for terrorists, and im sure they've been a deterrent to at least some degree. secondly, the terrorists are quite patient. they are totally cool with biding their time for the oppertune moment. they're not ones to just throw a bunch of s#!t at the wall and hope something sticks. remember the attack on the world trade towers in 93? killed 8 people, not entirely successful or dramatic. what'd they do? waited 8 years, plotted and planned, and bam, 9/11. huge success. they're all about making every oppertunity count for all its worth. any attempt they make at an attack, they run the risk of being found out. and not just the perpetrators, but the people backing them too. that has an effect on the organization itself. nothing major has happened on US soil for those two reasons: heightened homeland security, and terrorists biding their time.

 

[hippie_hunter]

he has a point...we've been lied to by our government for decades. it's only common sense that they're lying about the threat of terrorism. if anything, the politicians that keep bringing up terrorism are the terrorists themselves. they scared America into thinking there was a significant threat in the first place...

Terrorism is a threat. It's a threat in nearly every country and we do need to be taking steps to try and counter it. It's pretty much what Motown said.

The stuff about the PATRIOT Act, the War on Terror, etc., now that's a different story and that is what should be up for debate. Not the actual threat of terrorism because it does exist.

 

[sinewave]

this administration understands that a fearful population can be easily manipulated and they've played up the sense of danger to their advantage.

 

[PhotoJones]

Terrorism is a threat. It's a threat in nearly every country and we do need to be taking steps to try and counter it. It's pretty much what Motown said.

The stuff about the PATRIOT Act, the War on Terror, etc., now that's a different story and that is what should be up for debate. Not the actual threat of terrorism because it does exist.

Terrorism is not half the threat George Bush would have you believe. Like I said before, if you don't agree with them, then you are to feel afraid and should constantly look behind your back. There's no telling where those terrorists are hiding!

 

[DorkyFresh]

Terrorism is a threat. It's a threat in nearly every country and we do need to be taking steps to try and counter it. It's pretty much what Motown said.

i'm not saying terrorism isn't a threat...but i don't think mid eastern terrorists are nearly as much of a threat that the government make them out to be. like i said, it's pretty clear that the government new about 9/11 but purposefully let it happen. we didn't need the Patriot Act or Homeland Security to prevent 9/11 from happening...we just needed honorable people in charge of the government.

i think the biggest terrorists in the world right now are the ones that keep pushing "terrorism" down our throats through mainstream media. Bush and co. make the terrorists, that were supposed to be responsible for 9/11, look like ants...

 

[Mr Sparkle]

d) it's very easy for them to get into america (especially through mexico), and easy for them to either get, or make weapons.

so, why aren't they? i think it's fairly obvious we're being lied to.

yeah, why step over a 6"conc. curb through canada when you can hop a 10 foot fence and then swim a river , after which you can do about 24 hours though the arizona wasteland? in Mexico

 

[hippie_hunter]

i'm not saying terrorism isn't a threat...but i don't think mid eastern terrorists are nearly as much of a threat that the government make them out to be. like i said, it's pretty clear that the government new about 9/11 but purposefully let it happen. we didn't need the Patriot Act or Homeland Security to prevent 9/11 from happening...we just needed honorable people in charge of the government.

i think the biggest terrorists in the world right now are the ones that keep pushing "terrorism" down our throats through mainstream media. Bush and co. make the terrorists, that were supposed to be responsible for 9/11, look like ants...

Terrorism is not half the threat George Bush would have you believe. Like I said before, if you don't agree with them, then you are to feel afraid and should constantly look behind your back. There's no telling where those terrorists are hiding!

The stuff about the PATRIOT Act, the War on Terror, etc., now that's a different story and that is what should be up for debate. Not the actual threat of terrorism because it does exist.

I think the George Bush overstating the treat of terrorism goes under the category of etc.

 

[PhotoJones]

I think the George Bush overstating the treat of terrorism goes under the category of etc.

Not really. He's on TV everyday speaking about the "terrorists" and "evildoers" and how they're going to eat your babies if you don't vote Republican. That's what people think of when they think "terrorism". You're either under the impression that the government is protecting you from a massive threat 24/7, or you think it's a scare tactic. That's what the word "terrorsim" was become. It's not about extremists anymore. It's about political leverage.

 

[Sun_Down]

The government definitely lies about the magnitude of the threat. The threat is, has and will always be there, but it's not nearly as grave a threat as our president would have us believe. Statistically you've got a better chance of being struck by lightning than being killed by terrorists on U.S. soil. This whole idea that "if we don't fight them abroad, they'll come here" is utter crap. Like Mr. Credible said, if they wanted to attack us, they would.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Not really. He's on TV everyday speaking about the "terrorists" and "evildoers" and how they're going to eat your babies if you don't vote Republican. That's what people think of when they think "terrorism". You're either under the impression that the government is protecting you from a massive threat 24/7, or you think it's a scare tactic. That's what the word "terrorsim" was become. It's not about extremists anymore. It's about political leverage.

I completely agree with you there. I wasn't saying that I didn't. All I was saying is that the arguement lies there, not upon the actual threat.

 

[Blade90]

Not at all.

As someone put it in another thread, if we pull out of Iraq now, it will give them time and a safe haven to congregate and form a counter-attack plan on the US. But if we continue, they'll be so busy trying to avoid our troops, that they won't even have time to formulate another 9/11 attack.

That simple.

Also, the threat of Terrorism is VERY real. Have you forgotten the lesson of 9/11 so soon already? People just think this is a game, when it isn't. These b******s play for keeps. If they see an opening to attack us again, you can bet they'll sure as hell take it.

I don't like this war as much as anyone, but what choice have we? It's either this or a terrorist attack our home turf again.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

if the terrorists wanted to get us so bad, then why aren't they? it would be so easy.

If they want to..they will.

 

[ang_hulk]

of course?

 

[ScottyBBadd]

okay, so my friend and i were just talking about crap in general, blah blah blah, and i brought up a good point that i'd like to ask your thoughts on, i'll make it short and sweet:

okay, so, terrorists hate america so damn much, right? and according to bush, if we pull out of iraq, the terrorists win, and we'll "have another 9-11" on our hands... um... so, what's stopping the terrorist from hitting us now? how does us being in iraq stop terrorists from blowing some stuff up? how hard can it be, if the insurgants in iraq can kill 10 or so soldiers a day, via suicide bombing in a lot of cases, (proving they're not out to only kill thousands at a time) to kill people over here? especialy given out very lax border policy? if some high school kid can find out how to make pipe bombs via the internet, get guns, etc, and kill a bunch of kids that picked on him, why aren't we being attacked more? how hard wold it be for a terrorist to make a bomb and go to a mall or something?

my point is, are we being lied to about the actual threat of terrorism? is the government using fear to keep us compliant about being in iraq (among other things)? if we pulled out right now, how would america be any less safe than it is now?

if the terrorists wanted to get us so bad, then why aren't they? it would be so easy.

Of course we are bieng lied to about the terrorist threat. It may actually be worse than we have been told.

 

[TNC9852002]

Yeah, the government "let" terrorists implode three buildings so that they can receive the funding to go to war and get more money.

Yeah, sure. If I know that the government lies way before 9/11, how did I possibly let them trick me into thinking that terrorists were responsible for what happened? If they had nothing to do with it, they would've released all of the information concerning the plane crashes in PA and the Pentagon..

-TNC