Arkham Asylum: The Thread for Debating the Insane Topic of Batman Realism

[Eddie Dean]

 

[Eddie Dean]

No super powers. How is he a super hero?

Come on dude

 

[BMW 224]

No super powers. How is he a super hero?

His mind is a superpower his body is a superpower and his tech is a superpower.

He fights super villains.

He's part of the DC universe.

Hes a superhero.

 

[Invader Joker]

Yes. Because we grew up with the character. What you are talking about is the response and work made by those who grew up with the superhero.

Yeah and I still don't see him as childish in a universal capacity. He was at one point, but I don't think that after the Nolan era you can just give the blanket statement of "he's a hero for kids" when again, you wouldn't show a 10 year old the current Batman comics. The way pop culture has molded the character during the past 30 years, whether it's a direct response to him being perceived as childish beforehand, has caused him to no longer seem childish to especially people in my generation.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Punisher is a superhero too and his superpower is blowing off people’s heads with shotguns

 

[shauner111]

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Wikipedia. FUnny.

 

[BMW 224]

Yeah and I still don't see him as childish in a universal capacity. He was at one point, but I don't think that after the Nolan era you can just give the blanket statement of "he's a hero for kids" when again, you wouldn't show a 10 year old the current Batman comics.

Current Batman comics all for all ages.

Dark as **** but not rated r territory.

Really well written too in my opinion.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah and I still don't see him as childish in a universal capacity. He was at one point, but I don't think that after the Nolan era you can just give the blanket statement of "he's a hero for kids" when again, you wouldn't show a 10 year old the current Batman comics.

Okay, one, you have no idea what I'd show anyone. But I have read Batman comics from the last 15 years. I read worse as a kid. Second, he's a superhero. Which by default makes him inherently a kid's character. That you are framing the character on a 15 year period and ignoring that still within that time, his none 4 quadrant material is minuscule compared to the rest. That includes Nolan, which was for the whole family.

 

[BMW 224]

Punisher is a superhero too and his superpower is blowing off people’s heads with shotguns

Not in eyes lol.

 

[Invader Joker]

Okay, one, you have no idea what I'd show anyone. But I have read Batman comics from the last 15 years. I read worse as a kid. Second, he's a superhero. Which by default makes him inherently a kid's character. That you are framing the character on a 15 year period and ignoring that still within that time, his none 4 quadrant material is minuscule compared to the rest. That includes Nolan, which was for the whole family.

I guess I just don't agree with your notion that superhero content is inherently childish. 4 quadrant also means that it's not targeted at just kids, the superhero concept is now for everybody. It doesn't belong to kids anymore than it does adults. Those days are long gone.

 

[BMW 224]

Okay, one, you have no idea what I'd show anyone. But I have read Batman comics from the last 15 years. I read worse as a kid. Second, he's a superhero. Which by default makes him inherently a kid's character. That you are framing the character on a 15 year period and ignoring that still within that time, his none 4 quadrant material is minuscule compared to the rest. That includes Nolan, which was for the whole family.

Nolan was not for the whole family lol.

A suphero does not mean for kids it means it's for sure gonna be marketed to kids.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Nolan films are targeted at the 10- 20 demographic

 

[Spider-Fan]

On the front of Batman being childish or not, he is still being marketed to children. Even this new Matt Reeves movie has action figures intended for children (not talking about McFarlane's....I am referring to the Spinmasters line that is 100% for kids from this movie). Yes, Batman has darker stories. But he is still marketed as an icon for children at the same time

 

[Invader Joker]

On the front of Batman being childish or not, he is still being marketed to children. Even this new Matt Reeves movie has action figures intended for children (not talking about McFarlane's....I am referring to the Spinmasters line that is 100% for kids from this movie). Yes, Batman has darker stories. But he is still marketed as an icon for children at the same time

Because he's for everybody, but I wouldn't say children are his core audience anymore.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I guess I just don't agree with your notion that superhero content is inherently childish. 4 quadrant also means that it's not targeted at just kids, the superhero concept is now for everybody. It doesn't belong to kids anymore than it does adults. Those days are long gone.

4 quadrant by definition, is a family flick. Which means viewable by kids. Like LotR, Star Wars, the MCU and yes, Batman.

 

[BMW 224]

Nolan films are targeted at the 10- 20 demographic

A 10 year old almost got shot in the ****in head in Dark Knight.

I think 15 onwards is more TDK trilogy demographics.

But let's be real most kids have watched the triolgy due to it not being rated r.

It was a culture phenomenon.

 

[Invader Joker]

4 quadrant by definition, is a family flick. Which means viewable by kids. Like LotR, Star Wars, the MCU and yes, Batman.

"Viewable by kids" is not the same as "Aimed directly at kids" which is the argument you seem to be trying to make.

 

[shauner111]

I can tell when you guys are reaching when suddenly if you're friends with superheroes or fight supervillains that "makes you a superhero". Huh? What kind of logic is that? If Superman swoops down tomorrow and has a friendly lunch with me, does that make me a superhero too? Good lord.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Wikipedia. FUnny.

shauner, like come on man.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Depends on the parents, but a lot of kids saw Dark Knight. 15 is too old though, it’s PG-13, not PG-15!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because he's for everybody, but I wouldn't say children are his core audience anymore.

Batman's core audience stopped being "just kids" when the first gen who read him grew up. But, that doesn't change the inherent nature of the character. Adults enjoying inherently "kid's ideas" isn't childish. You have those who take anything as being "for kids" as terrible. Not worthy of their time. But for the mature, that isn't how it is. It's why they can enjoy Batman stories. They realize they are watching this fantasy tale about modern day Zorro meets Sherlock Holmes, who wears a cape and fights super villains, and dig it.

We have character posters for The Batman. That classic 4 quad stuff. It's no different then Star Wars or the MCU.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I can tell when you guys are reaching when suddenly if you're friends with superheroes or fight supervillains that "makes you a superhero". Huh? What kind of logic is that? If Superman swoops down tomorrow and has a friendly lunch with me, does that make me a superhero too? Good lord.

I know you’re not this stupid.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I can tell when you guys are reaching when suddenly if you're friends with superheroes or fight supervillains that "makes you a superhero". Huh? What kind of logic is that? If Superman swoops down tomorrow and has a friendly lunch with me, does that make me a superhero too? Good lord.

Gonna say if you can have an equal match with a supervillain, or can go toe-to-toe with Superman, than ya, that makes you a superhero. If you’re a member of an organization called the Justice League, yeah, you’re a superhero.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I can tell when you guys are reaching when suddenly if you're friends with superheroes or fight supervillains that "makes you a superhero". Huh? What kind of logic is that? If Superman swoops down tomorrow and has a friendly lunch with me, does that make me a superhero too? Good lord.

He's in the Justice League. A league of superheroes.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I can tell when you guys are reaching when suddenly if you're friends with superheroes or fight supervillains that "makes you a superhero". Huh? What kind of logic is that? If Superman swoops down tomorrow and has a friendly lunch with me, does that make me a superhero too? Good lord.

Strawman argument. Batman has a garish theme, technology that borders on the fantastic, vehicles that are also borderline fantastic, etc. He is 100% a superhero. Your comparison here doesn't work at all. When you start dressing up as a Hamster or something, learn karate from world masters, and fight crime and then have lunch with Superman, we can revisit your comparison