Comics Asm #534 *spoilers*

[Cyclops]

Yup, Sloth7d tells the truth. Norman once used spiked toothpaste to hypnotize Peter into becoming the Green Goblin for a while.

 

[spideylover89]

I'm still a little shocked that Pete actually fought Captain America. It just doesn't seem like him to lung at someone he has espected so much for so long without even really thinking. You know that if you aren't on the side of Captain America, you are definitely an idiot, I mean the guy is the symbol of what is right and unlike Pete, he listens to what is true in his heart every time.

 

[Spade]

I thought so. Just yesterday on another message board I concluded that what Marvel really means by saying "there is no right or wrong side in Civil War" that the pro-registration side is LEGALLY right but MORALLY wrong and the anti-registration side is MORALLY right but LEGALLY wrong. Except, of course, that would mean that the anti-registation side is in the right, which means Marvel really IS taking sides when all the while they're claiming they are not. Course, given Civil War and all the subsequent tie-ins, that should've been apparent.

110% correct. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I'm still a little shocked that Pete actually fought Captain America. It just doesn't seem like him to lung at someone he has espected so much for so long without even really thinking. You know that if you aren't on the side of Captain America, you are definitely an idiot, I mean the guy is the symbol of what is right and unlike Pete, he listens to what is true in his heart every time.

Welcome to the Parade of Mischaracterizations, with the twice-reborn Iron Spidey and Captain freaking America going at it. And to believe Quesada had the jewels to say on live television this and the mysticism origins wouldn't be taken back...

 

[J. J. Jameson]

The more I think about it, the more something seems seriously wrong. Has Spider-Man ever given any SERIOUS regard for the law when he knew what was the right thing to do? And Peter has idolized Cap for how long? Starks up to something. I just hope Peter seriously beats his iron-clad butt.

 

[Themanofbat]

Everyone's asking why Peter could be so dumb these days...

What I'd like to know is why Peter should be so untrustworthy of Tony these days to make him so apprehensive of him?

Pete's guard is down because as of yet, Tony's not given him a reason to have it up...

Relax folks... the time will come...

 

[Themanofbat]

Amazing Spider-Man #186

The issue begins with Spider-Man atop a roof with his spider-sense tingling like crazy. It's strange because things have been going pretty well for Spider-Man lately, as his name has been cleared with the authorities from last issue. The roof of the house which he is atop is near the Indian Point Power Station and has S.H.I.E.L.D. guards surrounding much of the area. Spider-Man's thoughts now drift to a couple of hours ago when he initially got himself into this mess at the offices of the Daily Bugle, while talking to Joe Robertson. They talk about how Peter's cash is low and that his Aunt May will be moving into a Nursing Home soon. Publisher J. Jonah Jameson pops out of his office looking for someone to cover a job for him and lo and behold, Peter is given that very job! Peter then boards a bus to Indian Point where a police roadblock is up ahead. He then changes into Spider-Man and notices all the S.H.I.E.L.D. agents around the place. There must be something big going on in Indian Point!

Back to the present and Spider-Man bounces around town trying to go unnoticed. Hiding around corners, walking on the telephone lines, and quickly evading anything and anyone that may notice him. Out of nowhere, a red, white, and blue clad man leaps overhead Spider-Man. It's Captain America, and he is very angry! He informs Spider-Man that he is not supposed to be here and threatens to remove him. When Spider-Man tries to reason with him, Cap swings his shield at him, which infuriates Spider-Man to no end. Spider-Man begins a series of powerful punches that only land against Captain America's mighty shield. Cap then lands a powerful punch of his own, knocking him into a brick wall. At this point, with Spider-Man on the ground, Cap informs Spider-Man again that staying here would only be dangerous for him, and Spider-Man finally swings away. Captain is truly sorry though as he says to himself: "I Understand that you want to help, But I've absolutely no choice in this". What exactly is "this"? I would reckon it had something involving Electro since he is on the cover, or at least his shadow.

Captain America soon receives a signal from S.H.I.E.L.D. to cover the Power Plant. Cap gets inside the plant to discover that a door has mysteriously been melted. Cap now thinks back to the briefing he had concerning his involvement on this secret project: A child of a movie star named Robert Starr was bitten by rat and had to be taken to a specialist in New York. After being sent to the specialist, Starr's child, Barry, was never returned. Instead, he received a letter demanding one million dollars or he will never see his child again. To make matters worse, Starr's local doctors received their final lab reports that indicated that the child's has a disease and will need treatment to possibly cure it. Back to the present again, and Captain America breaks through a three-inch maple door where he finds the boy. Out of the shadows though, a man in an overcoat begins to come into light, demanding money. Cap grabs a hold of the kidnapper until the man explodes out of his coat revealing himself to be Electro the living Dynamo! Cap falls to the ground with Electro over him, ready to send countless volts of electricity through him, until Spider-Man swings out of nowhere giving Electro a swift kick to the back of the head. Cap follows with a hard blow to his stomach with his shield, then Electro begins to temporarily recover. Electro aims his blasts at both heroes now, misses, then is knocked out with simultaneous punches from Spidey and Cap. The young child Barry now comes out into the battle area where Electro must have been playing "possum", because he grabs the child threatening him in front of the two heroes. Electro at this point has been mysteriously coughing alot and Captain America points out that the child may be killing him since he has the Plague. Electro at first does not believe Captain America, but he then questions why the area has been quarantined off (surrounded by S.H.I.E.L.D. agents), then throws the child on the ground. Electro now acts very erratic and the two heroes and Barry leave the Power Plant. Electro now begins to siphon the plant's electricity into him, enough power he thinks, to "burn" away the plague. As he feels more power running through him, Electro realizes that he cannot disconnect himself from siphoning the plant's electricity and begins to overload. The plant explodes into great fireball just as Spider-Man, Captain America, and Barry make it to safety.

After the explosion, Captain America finds his shield under the debris, but there is no sign of Electro anywhere. The child on the other hands, is in good hands, and should be back to good health in a couple of weeks. As news breaks of a great power shortage, S.H.I.E.L.D. now needs a good cover story for the public. Dum Dum Dugan of S.H.I.E.L.D. says to make up a story which blames lightening on the blackout. It's not TOO far from the truth!


Spidey seems all too eager to battle Cap in this story despite Cap's plea's for Spidey to go away.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

I'm still a little shocked that Pete actually fought Captain America. It just doesn't seem like him to lung at someone he has espected so much for so long without even really thinking. You know that if you aren't on the side of Captain America, you are definitely an idiot, I mean the guy is the symbol of what is right and unlike Pete, he listens to what is true in his heart every time.

i think this^^ --all of it-- makes you an idiot. Yes lets follow cap into any situation regardless or not if it's best for me, because he's captain america and that must put him beside god.He cannot possibly be wrong on anything, despite the fact he was wrong not to talk to IM for 5 measly minutes in cw3. pete HAS fought cap in the past yknow. cmon people, dont be silly

 

[J. J. Jameson]

i think this^^ --all of it-- makes you an idiot. Yes lets follow cap into any situation regardless or not if it's best for me, because he's captain america and that must put him beside god.He cannot possibly be wrong on anything, despite the fact he was wrong not to talk to IM for 5 measly minutes in cw3. pete HAS fought cap in the past yknow. cmon people, dont be silly

True. But this is war. The setting was different the other times, like in ASM 187.

BTW, that was a great issue.

 

[Themanofbat]

True. But this is war. The setting was different the other times, like in ASM 186.

BTW, that was a great issue.

I bought it off the rack when it came out in December 1978...

I was 11 years old at the time...

Believe it or not, I think it's Jim Starlin's only work on a regular Spider-Man title.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

I bought it off the rack when it came out in December 1978...

I was 11 years old at the time...

Believe it or not, I think it's Jim Starlin's only work on a regular Spider-Man title.

Shame... I liked his artwork.

 

[pussywillow1972]

I bought it off the rack when it came out in December 1978...

I was 11 years old at the time...

Believe it or not, I think it's Jim Starlin's only work on a regular Spider-Man title.

That's one of the first ones I got too. My parents let me pick it up when we were in a convenience store, (back when you could actually buy comics at the local 7-11.) My brothers were into savage sword of conan at the time and I, wanting to emulate the big bro's, picked up the ones that looked the most colorful, (hey, I was only six.)

I actually enjoyed #534. I think it showed Peter's inner conflict very nicely. The action scenes were well done and the writing was very good. Certainly some of the best writing on this book in a long, LONG time. Well worth it in my opinion.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

I read my roomies ASM 534 today,

Spoiler

As the original poster said, Peter is starting to have some reservations with Tony and equally the side he has chosen. He is suspicous about the new suit, especially when Stark mentions his Spider-sense, something he was sure he had never told him about. As he is travelling on the registration motercade, it gets assualted by Cap, Hurcules, Falcon, and...the Imposter Daredevil. The motercade ends up on Yancy Street and at the mercy of its gangs, as the groups of heros (Including what appears to be The Thing on the anti registration) battle as projectiles are thrown at the registered "heros". A fleet of Stinger missles are launched towards the motercade, and Spidey has to web line the remaining few. Landing in an ally after stopping them, he looks up to see Cap. Cap basically tells Peter, that he knows Peter feels he's in the wrong, and that he feels must stay there because of the promise he made to Stark. Cap offers Pete one last chance to switch, offering his hand. Peter refusing to break his vow, attacks him, and spends most of the fight getting whooped, and feeling ashamed that the Caps shield, the symbol of the country and all it stands for is being thrown at him. Peter eventually draws blood, only through use of his cheap**** Iron Legs. Cap leaves the fight to help the others, leaving his sheild, webbed to the wall because of it. Later Peter moves the shield to a safer place, one where he knows Steve will find it. However he ends the issue knowing what he is doing might be legal, but now pondering whether or not it is right.

 

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

I bought it off the rack when it came out in December 1978...

Cool. Me too. (Yet I feel so young!)

But at that time, I don't recall Pete having fought side by side with Cap (and adoringly so) for a year. This fight and a lot... well, all of Pete's behavior the past few years hasn't seemed very Pete-like.

 

[Sloth7d]

I read #534 today....
What a gyp! How the hell was Cap able to go toe to toe with Spidey, AND have the advantage?!

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I read #534 today....
What a gyp! How the hell was Cap able to go toe to toe with Spidey, AND have the advantage?!

'cuz he's Captain America.

'nuff said.

 

[Sloth7d]

'cuz he's Captain America.

'nuff said.

But his abilities are outshined by spidermans in everyway.
Strenth-spiderman
agility-Spiderman
speed-spiderman
other miscellaneous powers-spiderman
The only thing Cap has over Spiderman is battle tactics and fighting tech.
And Spiderman has defeated plenty of villains with better fighting skills and strategy than him.

 

[Kool-Aid]

So Cap beat up Spidey? Thats very dissapointing.... This is propbably the thing that pisses me off the most about alot of Spider-Man comics, writers always write him like he's still a rookie and he's made teams look like rookies before.

 

[kaijunexus]

Like it or not, Cap is basically the Superman of Marvel, albeit far less powerful. He's the leader, the all-american, the voice of wisdom.

But besides that, Pete's performance was probably effected by his newfound misgivings about the side he's chosen in the civil war.

 

[ragingdemon155]

Cap beat down Spidey?

Wow....

 

[Sloth7d]

Like it or not, Cap is basically the Superman of Marvel, albeit far less powerful. He's the leader, the all-american, the voice of wisdom.

But besides that, Pete's performance was probably effected by his newfound misgivings about the side he's chosen in the civil war.

You would think but.........(more spoilers)






He actually got desperate and used the three mecha arms to get some damage in.....

 

[kaijunexus]

Those arms...









are so gay.

 

[SpideyStu2]

Doesn't the next issue of Amazing Spider-Man show Spidey facing off against Iron Man? Could this issue possibly be the last one with Spider-Man on the Pro-Registration side?

 

[GyLocke]

On the cap-spidey fight: Peter practically murmured his "I shouldn't do this" mantra all along, while Cap's heart was in the fight. This is one of the rare occasions where Spideys defeat is reasonable.

Just wait for the savage beating IM will recieve from Spidey, in his good old original costume, and all will be well.

 

[Themanofbat]

On the cap-spidey fight: Peter practically murmured his "I shouldn't do this" mantra all along, while Cap's heart was in the fight. This is one of the rare occasions where Spideys defeat is reasonable.

Just wait for the savage beating IM will recieve from Spidey, in his good old original costume, and all will be well.

Exactly... as I read the issue, Pete's heart was not in the battle... maybe against another hero, but certainly not against Cap. And the fact that he left the shield for Cap to retreive it would be a HUGE indication by Cap that he was right when thinking Pete's heart is not in the right place. And three blows by Cap is certainly not him "winning" the fight. The two had barely begun to battle.

And I like how Pete thinks to himself that he's finally achieved what he's always wanted... acceptance & respect from his peers, his loved ones, the authorities & by the public.... yet he wonders why it all feels so wrong.

I thought it was an excellent issue... again with characterization being spot-on.

 

[GyLocke]

Yeah, Pete draw first blood, and then the "battle" was over.

It wasn't as heroic as Cap's three punches, that's why most people read it as defeat.