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Comics ASM #547 (spoilers)

Of course they aren't going to give the new guys a chance. Haven't you heard the old saying, "a spoiled apple ruins the bunch" or "You're going to ruin it for everybody"? How can any of us read this new stuff with the premise that was given for it in OMD? How can long term fans just ignore the fact that Spider-man now makes deals with the devil for purely selfish reasons and can never develope as a character? Why not drop the book when the guy we're reading about is still the same guy but only in name only? The instant the retcon happened, with how it happened, everyone who dropped the book were completely justified, especially since OMD was solid proof that agendas can be passed off as stories now a days.

As a long time fan who has been reading Spider-Man monthly for almost twice as long as you've been alive (and that does not make me a bigger fan... just lucky enough to read the old books when they came out), I can answer this in a few sentences.

First of all, what's done is done... I've seen ugly scenarios in Spider-Man comics, and the first one that pops into my head was the unecessary ressurection of Norman Osborn, which happened solely because they needed a "quick fix" to the mess the Clone Saga had become... and what was worse is the fact that they made Norman responsible for ALL the bad things that had happened to Peter since 1973 (our time)... what a fiasco.

And I've seen lots of highs and lows in the Spider-Books in 33+ years of reading, and while OMD is an EXTREME low, BND is delivering on it's promise of good storytelling, and I can't go through yet another bad "quick fix" retcon of this mess that might occur in 18 to 24 months. So I can live with some of the glitches thus far, with the hopes that SOME (or all hopefully) will be explained as we go on this path.

And while you might be looking at the "spoiled apple" ruining the future, I look at it as the "spoiled apple" being the cream of the pile of bad apples I've been reading for a long time.

And finally, if you want to think that it's Peter Parker in name only, that's your decision... but it is the Peter Parker that we all know and love, and that's why I'm keeping on reading the books.

Cheers...

:yay:
 
Of course they aren't going to give the new guys a chance. Haven't you heard the old saying, "a spoiled apple ruins the bunch" or "You're going to ruin it for everybody"? How can any of us read this new stuff with the premise that was given for it in OMD? How can long term fans just ignore the fact that Spider-man now makes deals with the devil for purely selfish reasons and can never develope as a character? Why not drop the book when the guy we're reading about is still the same guy but only in name only? The instant the retcon happened, with how it happened, everyone who dropped the book were completely justified, especially since OMD was solid proof that agendas can be passed off as stories now a days.

Hey man; do you mind terribly leaving this thread soley for discussion of the issue...like i asked in my initial post? There are several other threads where you can go vent about how disappointed you are with the current direction, or whatever.

Thanks. :yay:
 
As a long time fan who has been reading Spider-Man monthly for almost twice as long as you've been alive (and that does not make me a bigger fan... just lucky enough to read the old books when they came out), I can answer this in a few sentences.

First of all, what's done is done... I've seen ugly scenarios in Spider-Man comics, and the first one that pops into my head was the unecessary ressurection of Norman Osborn, which happened solely because they needed a "quick fix" to the mess the Clone Saga had become... and what was worse is the fact that they made Norman responsible for ALL the bad things that had happened to Peter since 1973 (our time)... what a fiasco.

And I've seen lots of highs and lows in the Spider-Books in 33+ years of reading, and while OMD is an EXTREME low, BND is delivering on it's promise of good storytelling, and I can't go through yet another bad "quick fix" retcon of this mess that might occur in 18 to 24 months. So I can live with some of the glitches thus far, with the hopes that SOME (or all hopefully) will be explained as we go on this path.

And while you might be looking at the "spoiled apple" ruining the future, I look at it as the "spoiled apple" being the cream of the pile of bad apples I've been reading for a long time.

So basically you think fans should continue reading a comic even when the foundation of the core character is destroyed in it's entirety and history as we know it is up for grabs without much explanation? Added on to that, this particular book has been very bad for the last 2 years or so, to which the current readers would have long since stopped purchasing if not for that faith in the light at the end of the tunnel. I can't agree with your veiws on that. The whole battered wife syndrome thing, like reading comics despite the horrible stories, like a wife stays with her husband despite the beatings just doesn't fly with me. Which, like that situation, it seems like things will get better, but outside of the momentary relief they never do.
With stories like Sins Past, The Other, and OMD that have suffocated Spidey-fandom in a horrible nightmarish fog for the past years along with how continuity is currently in a confusing cluster pile, I think I prove my point in saying, any fans who drop the book are completely justified. For the tools OMD has given the BND writers to work with is no different than giving Shakespeare fecies to write poetry with. It doesn't matter how good the writer is, at the end of the day his work still stinks.
Those who can read BND despite Pete making deals with the devil... more power to them. For they are more loyal than us all. But if this creepy guy who lives with his satanically revived Aunt is the Peter Parker the loyal fans want to read about, then I don't want to be a loyal fan. That's not the Spider-man I originally read.

And finally, if you want to think that it's Peter Parker in name only, that's your decision... but it is the Peter Parker that we all know and love, and that's why I'm keeping on reading the books.

Cheers...:yay:

Wrong. Spider-man does not make deals with the devil to save Aunt May, especially while knowing she's a christian who never would allow that. This IS Peter Parker in name only whether anyone enjoys BND or not.
 
Hey man; do you mind terribly leaving this thread soley for discussion of the issue...like i asked in my initial post? There are several other threads where you can go vent about how disappointed you are with the current direction, or whatever.

Thanks. :yay:

Someone else opened the door for the argument, I merely stepped in.
If themobat is done here, then so am I.
 

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