Comics ASM #568 spoilers New ways to die starts here...

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OK, so the issue gives us a little rundown of Pete's origin, then he goes in to all the crap new villains he fought over the past few months. Vin Gonzalas looking in tip top shape after the events of Kraven's First Hunt tell's Pete the first of the month is coming so he needs to get a move on getting the rent money.

Carlie suggests he get's a gig taking wedding photos. Pete tells her he has bad experience with weddings. (Nothing, but net Joe!!)

Next page has him fighting Menace who's blowing up a box truck with Hollister's campaigne poster on the side, and then Spider-Man fights him to again point out he's "just another Goblin". Menace then blows up the side of the building Spider-Man's stuck to, and a bunch of illegal AZNs run out trying not to be seen. Spider-Man get's pictures.

So we see the Thunderbolts practicing on manequins that look like superheroes, and they're instructed to only take down unregistered ones. Venom starts eating the Iron Man dummy, and this causes a bit of disdain since Iron Man's registered. Norman Osborn comes in, interupts training to let them know it's time to go to New York.

So Peter goes and applies for a photographer job at Front Line. You know the other paper Jameson owns that was completely unacknowledged in BND up until now. He get's it, we find out Robbie's working there now and Peter shows them the photos of the sweatshop workers leaving the building since all photos of the incident beforehand only got the aftermath.

This get's investigated and the owner of the building is revealed to be mayoral candidate Crowne, who we find out in the very next scene is friends with Norman Osborn. They have a very cryptic talk and one wants a favor from the other, and both make references to using eachother's "secret resources".

After that is a scene of Peter going back to his apartment to be attacked by some armed agents of sorts. He's throws the fight to keep his identity secret. They drag him in to his apartment for him to be greeted by Norman Osborn and the T-Bolts.

Then we get Dexter Bennett telling Better Brant to investigate Li the billionaire proprieter of the F.E.A.S.T. shelters. He claims the guy has to be up to something shady since no one's as squeaky clean as he appears to be. (LULZ Mr. Negative) Oh yeah, something about terminally ill hobos getting cured of their diseases.

She goes down to the shelter, chats with him and Aunt May to see a sickly Eddie Brock present. We learn that Matt Murdock got him off the hook with the law, claiming he wasn't in control with the symbiote bonded to him. Despite last May in Sensational he murdered a nurse in cold blood, which was long after the symbiote and him seperated. Remember that? He was even caught and got handcuffed to his gurney awaiting trial. So Matt Murdock was a bit out of character getting him off unless that too was part of his agreement with Vanessa Fisk.

So we then learn Brock's been going to the shelters, and is cancer free. Li also presents him to Brant with his arm on his shoulder, and we see these white glowing microbes in his blood stream extracting symbiote traces from his cells. So Overdrive can transform vehicles with nanobots by touching them, but assuming Brock's Anti Venom that means Li can transform people on a cellular level with his touch. Not only are all these new villains bland and unoriginal, but theyr'e also copies off of eachother. Next month we get the attack of the Terrible 2-D Man!

Issue ends about there, but we're treated to a back up tale by Mark Waid. It's about months back when Brock was still cancerlicious and he went to Oscorp to apply for some experimental cancer treatments. He didn't qualify so when he thought he had no where to go he tries the F.E.A.S.T. shelter. He has some run ins with some a hole hobo, and we learn that for years after giving up the symbiote he's been still seeing himself as Venom. Till Aunt May offers her help to him and when he goes to the doctor to look in to more cancer treatment he learns of being cancer free and finally sees his own face in the mirror.

As far as BND goes this issue was the best. I wouldn't hold my breath as far as things getting better since the OMD Extra has preludes to other craptastical arcs like Hammerhead's brain in a robot, and Spider-Man getting arrested for murder, but allowed to keep his mask on.

I do however have problems with the constant reminders about the marriage. When fans might be able to move on if we didn't have throwaway comments about Peter having bad luck with weddings. Also Brock getting such a clean slate didn't sit well with me either.

So it will be interesting to see if after October this arc makes or breaks BND, but till then all we can do is see where this tale goes.
 
So if I understand following correctly:

Marvel via Dan Slott is once again beating people over the head with the notion that Peter is young and single just like in his first arc and with just as little subtlety.

I'm also not the least bit surprised about both Peter and Robbie ending up being on the Pulse. It's the most logical option in that Peter still gets to be a news photographer with most of the old Bugle gang with Betty as an insider to snoop on Bennet and his shady practices with the end result of Jonah taking the Bugle back once Bennet shady dealings are exposed.

Also, given what's going on with Menace
the fact that he--or is it she is attacking Spidey in front of a sweatshop Crowne owns appears to be as close to a confirmation that Menace is trying to disrupt the Crowne campaign to boost Hollister standing in the race, despite the little red herring of the delivery truck having Hollister's campaign poster on it. Looks like suspicions about Menace being Lily or Carlie--with my guess it likely being Carlie--is getting that much more valid. I'd also guess that Crowne's "secret connections" that Norman talks about might have to do with Bennet and a criminal organization rivaling Mr. Negative's.

Also, Mr. Ayers, I think you might be a little incorrect about your assessment of Eddie Brock being touched by Martin Li. If anything, it suggests that
Mr Li absorbing the trace molecules of Brock's symbiote suggest that HE and not Brock will become Anti-Venom due to what looks like his healing powers.
Which, of course, would make Anti-Venom sound even lamer. It also would explain why Martin Li becomes Mr. Negative:
he absorbs the "negative energy" such from disease into his own body to cure people but the downside it corrupts him in the process.

Oh, and as for Venom's continuity post-OMD vs. what we saw in the Sensational arc, why shouldn't we be surprised if it's a little screwed up? If Spider-Man's own back history of about 20 years is up in the air via OMD, so is every other characters.
 
But as far as Brock goes nothing was erased...atleast Quesada says so. :P
 
hmm as many people that like brock as it is...making yet another venom without brock returning to his status would be pretty lame.

we really don't need anymore symbiotes...and as far as i'm concerned turning mr. negative into venom (another small time bnd character stepping into the shadows of one of the great big name characters)

would be such a lame cop out. i would like to see mr. negative developed more on his own without becoming venom jr. :(
 
hmm as many people that like brock as it is...making yet another venom without brock returning to his status would be pretty lame.

we really don't need anymore symbiotes...and as far as i'm concerned turning mr. negative into venom (another small time bnd character stepping into the shadows of one of the great big name characters)

would be such a lame cop out. i would like to see mr. negative developed more on his own without becoming venom jr. :(

Not to mention it would be a bit of a "bait and switch." Essentially, it would be Marvel saying "Look kids, here's a new villain for BND! Well, actually he's really a villain we debuted previously for BND only now he's more badass cause he looks like Venom now!":whatever:
 
Not to mention it would be a bit of a "bait and switch." Essentially, it would be Marvel saying "Look kids, here's a new villain for BND! Well, actually he's really a villain we debuted previously for BND only now he's more badass cause he looks like Venom now!":whatever:



House of M should've ended with Wanda saying, ''No more mutants'' and as everything starts turning white Spider-Man yells, ''AND SYMBIOTES!!"
 
Not to mention it would be a bit of a "bait and switch." Essentially, it would be Marvel saying "Look kids, here's a new villain for BND! Well, actually he's really a villain we debuted previously for BND only now he's more badass cause he looks like Venom now!":whatever:


either that or the "brain trust" finally figured out that mr. negative is a very very very lame idea. lol

they were going some where with the whole give me a sample of your blood plot....until i remembered pete has no living relatives with the same blood line as him. :csad:
 
either that or the "brain trust" finally figured out that mr. negative is a very very very lame idea. lol

they were going some where with the whole give me a sample of your blood plot....until i remembered pete has no living relatives with the same blood line as him. :csad:



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Not to mention it would be a bit of a "bait and switch." Essentially, it would be Marvel saying "Look kids, here's a new villain for BND! Well, actually he's really a villain we debuted previously for BND only now he's more badass cause he looks like Venom now!":whatever:

Kinda like Scorpion becoming Venom? ;)



And aren't we being just a little premature in assuming that Mr. Negative is Anti-Venom?
 
While Mr Negative has a lame name and has generallly been underwhelming so far - I'd rather see him developed as is, rather than as a new (anti) Venom.
 
What I would say is that if you put aside the deal with the devil, the marriage that never was and the now screwed history and continuity - this is actually starting to sound like a Spider-man story of old.

*Multiple plots running through each issue
*Emphasis on supporting cast
*Street level villains

I like the whole Holister/Crowne/Osborne thing

The big problem is though while the story structure now seems right, it's just repeating previous successful story lines with characters who may be different in name, but the same in personality as previous other characters.
 
Carlie suggests he get's a gig taking wedding photos. Pete tells her he has bad experience with weddings. (Nothing, but net Joe!!)
For the love of ANUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is grade school bull shhite.
 
Kinda like Scorpion becoming Venom? ;)



And aren't we being just a little premature in assuming that Mr. Negative is Anti-Venom?

ok...let's see you assume after the reveal than. :cwink:
 
Kinda like Scorpion becoming Venom? ;)

I knew someone was going to make that comparison.:woot: The difference though is that Marvel through their adverts and promotion for Mark Millar's MK Spider-Man story flat out told us that there was going to be a different guy who would become Venom other than Eddie Brock and it eventually turned out to be the Scorpion. However, Marvel in part of their promotions for New Ways to Die is flat out stating that Anti-Venom is a new villain, implying that he is a new character with some connection to Venom. However, if it turns out like I suspect it will, that Mr. Negative--a character who was already introduced for BND--turns out to be Anti-Venom, then it becomes a bait and switch.

And aren't we being just a little premature in assuming that Mr. Negative is Anti-Venom?

Perhaps, but based on this issue, the evidence strongly points to Mr. Negative. It's possible it could turn out to be Eddie Brock, but then all that would mean is that it's really the old Venom only with his colors inverted and not a "new" villain at all, either.
 
In his Spider-Man one shot he met Peter Parker at a family reunion. Gail Simone says it's canon.

thanks. :cwink:

i just googled it for further info.
it said he's peter's and aunt may's distant cousin...but regardless i don't think he'll be used in any actual spidey stories...at least for a very very long time.
 
Kinda like Scorpion becoming Venom? ;)



And aren't we being just a little premature in assuming that Mr. Negative is Anti-Venom?


He simply presented it as a theory. Once again you bring nothing to the table, just like you jumping on people for discussing trade sales saying they didn't come out.
 
thanks. :cwink:

i just googled it for further info.
it said he's peter's and aunt may's distant cousin...but regardless i don't think he'll be used in any actual spidey stories...at least for a very very long time.



If he's related to Aunt May then Peter's not his cousin. So no DNA connection. My bad.
 
Miken Ayers,
As both the author and someone who's holding the issue in front of them, I can honestly say that your synopsis is more than a little off.

After everybody's had a look at the issue on Weds., people will be able to see where, and you guys can discuss that here at Superhero Hype.

But right now, I just wanted to ask you a quick question:
Did you, as a Newsarama poster going by the name Sickboy, post this exact same, letter-for-letter "rundown", without spoilers, in the comments section of an article promoting this story?
 
Aww man!

Miken just got the smackdown by Mr. Slott himself!!

Awwwww.....this...this is awesome. :D



Edit: I'm going to save the original "review" just in case it gets edited once the issue gets in everyone else's hands. :)
 

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