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Technically she was only resurrected once, during One More Day. It was merely an actor that died in Amazing Spider-Man # 400, which was not revealed until WAYYYY later. I'm glad I was not reading the Spider-Man books at that time but that is a very sore spot with me. Amazing Spider-Man # 400 was a very great issue and was tarnished.

So, yes, I know how many fans feel after the One More Day fiasco. I eventually moved on though.
Oh, yes, I know about the brought back thing and all that, I was just confused on how many times she was ressurected, because quite frankly, I had forgotten. :yay:

Also, yes, isse 400 was VERY touching and I was in slight tears by it, quite fankly. "it's my time."

So sad. :csad:
 
Pardon the play on words, but your "sewage" addition is a pretty crappy take on my analogy-- unless you want to compare Peter and MJ's marriage to sewage. So, let's pick something more pleasant...

Let's say your neighbor had a lovely apple tree in his yard that you liked to look at-- and you had fond memories of (maybe you carved you and your first love's names into it). But your neighbor cut it down for what he thought was a good reason. Maybe it was blocking the sunlight from getting into his front parlor? Whatever.

He cuts down the tree. It starts a feud. He moves away. And when the new neighbors show up, you keep complaining to them, "Hey, why did YOU cut down that apple tree?!" And it goes on for a YEAR AND A HALF!

And when they put out new patio furniture, you complain to them, "You could have done that WITHOUT chopping down that apple tree!" And when the new neighbors put nice decorations in their parlor window, you still complain, "You could have trimmed a branch or two and I STILL could have seen that! Why did you chop down that tree?!"

And when the new neighbors find that SAME apple tree and plant it in a different part of their yard, you complain, "NO! You have to put it back EXACTLY where it was! It's in a different relation to the house now! I don't like that at all! Unless it's blocking your parlor window I will NEVER be satisfied! NEVER!"

And then you proudly paint a motto on the sidewalk in front of your house that reads, "Proudly holding a grudge against my next door neighbor since the apple tree got cut down."

It's akin to that. :yay:

Technically the original owner of the tree still lives at the house, he's just got some visitors living with him for the time being. Also, we have been giving that man money to continue the growth of that tree for years and years to the point to where it's like it's partly ours, and when he cuts it down he throws out all that money and love we put into that tree just so he and his new visitors can see a little sun... walking all over the trust and friendship that us, his faithful neighbors for years, had developed with him. Not only is this selfish neighbor disrespecting the faithful neighbors who supported the growing of his tree, but now he's making excuses telling us that it was blocking the phone lines running accross his back yard and that if we look closely, the tree is still there and that nothing's changed. Of course, anyone with a rational thought can see that there are no phone lines and that the tree is indeed gone.

And I also don't understand how that man and his guests can get frustrated when after 50 days we can still see that the tree is missing and the yard is a much uglier place, regressed to just a boring yard like it was back in the 80's. Even with all the new patio furniture (that looks oddly like the same patio furniture that decorated the yard back in the 80's as well).

I suppose we'll just have to wait until the man and his guests all leave the once great house and for a new guest to move in who can plant a new tree and make the yard beautiful again. Hopefully it will be soon.

:)
 
Oh, yes, I know about the brought back thing and all that, I was just confused on how many times she was ressurected, because quite frankly, I had forgotten. :yay:

Also, yes, isse 400 was VERY touching and I was in slight tears by it, quite fankly. "it's my time."

So sad. :csad:

Yeah, but Aunt May can't die because that would mean that time has moved forward between Amazing Spider-Man 1 and Amazing Spider-Man 400... and frankly, we just can't have that... it's unrelatable.

;)

Honestly, Amazing Spider-Man 400 is probably my favorite Spider-Man issue ever. I love Aunt May and I love the Clone Saga, and that issue was such a fitting end for her. I remember being upset that she was dying but then after reading it I was so impressed and touched that I instantly fell in love with her fate. Absolutely beautiful. Due to financial problems I wasn't reading when she came back but I was so upset when she did. I still haven't read the issue that explained it. I had a hard time enjoying the early parts of Straczynski's run, which was when I could afford to jump back in and start getting back issues as well. But after a while I accepted it and moved on. I guess that's another thing I hated about OMD is that I felt like she was being removed again like she should have a long while ago, and yet again she's saved but, but this time at an unexceptable price.
 
Honestly, Amazing Spider-Man 400 is probably my favorite Spider-Man issue ever. I love Aunt May and I love the Clone Saga, and that issue was such a fitting end for her.
It's, without a doubt, one of the greatest issues of the 90's. Now, even though I really have no problem with Aunt May being alive now, I do think, as you said, that issue 400 was a fitting end for her.
 
Yeah, but Aunt May can't die because that would mean that time has moved forward between Amazing Spider-Man 1 and Amazing Spider-Man 400... and frankly, we just can't have that... it's unrelatable.

;)

Honestly, Amazing Spider-Man 400 is probably my favorite Spider-Man issue ever. I love Aunt May and I love the Clone Saga, and that issue was such a fitting end for her. I remember being upset that she was dying but then after reading it I was so impressed and touched that I instantly fell in love with her fate. Absolutely beautiful. Due to financial problems I wasn't reading when she came back but I was so upset when she did. I still haven't read the issue that explained it. I had a hard time enjoying the early parts of Straczynski's run, which was when I could afford to jump back in and start getting back issues as well. But after a while I accepted it and moved on. I guess that's another thing I hated about OMD is that I felt like she was being removed again like she should have a long while ago, and yet again she's saved but, but this time at an unexceptable price.

This is where I can relate. I loved # 400 as well, it's one of my favorite Spider-Man issues of all time as well. I loved the Clone Saga and HATED, ABSOLUTELY HATED that they killed off Ben Reilly. In fact, I hated so much...I quit reading the book. I didn't pick up another Spider-Man book, or even another comic book for that matter, for about another five years.

However, there were not message boards back then but I spoke with my wallet. Eventually the Spider-Man books faded and eroded, which was more a sign of the times in the industry than anything, and they changed things dramatically. Which I believe was the big reboot of the book.

I didn't start reading until I heard the buzz about the JMS run and that sucked me right back into the book, thanks to the awesome John Romita Jr. artwork. I've been on ever since. There have been bad storylines through that time period (Sins Past and The Other). Though while I did not agree with One More Day and didn't like some of the things that went down it's still not NEARLY as horrible as the tarnishing of Amazing Spider-Man # 400 and the killing off of Ben Reilly.
 
I had a hard time enjoying the early parts of Straczynski's run, which was when I could afford to jump back in and start getting back issues as well.
JMs's run with JRJR, as I've said maultiple times, was really good for a while, if you ask me, but it's ironic how when Romita Jr. left, the stories whent pretty downhill. Also, as I said, Back In Black was pretty good. I mean, that fight Peter had with Kingpin still stands as being brutal. Still, though, the best stories that have come around in recent years is BND-to present day with ASM which I've mentioned maultiple times. Like I've said, Slott and McNiven broughtt great stuff to this new....well, brought back the great Spidey that we knew, and then maultiple writers and artists came in and just kept doing really good stories. Gale, Guggenheim, etc.
 
Technically the original owner of the tree still lives at the house, he's just got some visitors living with him for the time being. Also, we have been giving that man money to continue the growth of that tree for years and years to the point to where it's like it's partly ours, and when he cuts it down he throws out all that money and love we put into that tree just so he and his new visitors can see a little sun... walking all over the trust and friendship that us, his faithful neighbors for years, had developed with him. Not only is this selfish neighbor disrespecting the faithful neighbors who supported the growing of his tree, but now he's making excuses telling us that it was blocking the phone lines running accross his back yard and that if we look closely, the tree is still there and that nothing's changed. Of course, anyone with a rational thought can see that there are no phone lines and that the tree is indeed gone.

And I also don't understand how that man and his guests can get frustrated when after 50 days we can still see that the tree is missing and the yard is a much uglier place, regressed to just a boring yard like it was back in the 80's. Even with all the new patio furniture (that looks oddly like the same patio furniture that decorated the yard back in the 80's as well).

I suppose we'll just have to wait until the man and his guests all leave the once great house and for a new guest to move in who can plant a new tree and make the yard beautiful again. Hopefully it will be soon.

:)

Wow, well done JH! I was just writing my own rebuttal and saw this and figured I should applaud you before posting my response in my other browser tab.

Sorry Dan, but JH just pointed all kinds of big problems with your analogy.
 
*Note: JH's rebuttal was better than mine, but I'd already written this so I wanted to post it anyway :)


Then again maybe I should stay out of the whole "Dueling analogies" thing.

lol


Dan, I find your tree analogy flawed for three reasons:

1) In your analogy, the people who cut the tree down are now gone, and it's an entirely separate group that is now moved in. This is not so with ASM. By supporting ASM, I am automatically supporting the OMD decision, and since voting with my money is the only influence I have with Marvel (since vocal protests by a large number of fans obviously was completely ignored) to try to show them that that kind of thing is unacceptable to me and hopefully won't be done again in the future, then that's what I'll do.


2) Secondly, in your analogy, even if we ignore the problem with it that I already mentioned, it is common courtesy to treat a neighbor respectfully unless given strong reason to do otherwise. However, buying amazing spider-man is not common courtesy. There are many other things I can spend my money on, tons of other comics out there at any given time. Whereas a neighbour is owed being treated respectfully out of human decency, Marvel is not owed me buying Spider-Man.
(And before any attempts some misguided relation to human decency and my comments on OMD/ASM, note that I'm not putting down any individuals, I'm stating that I found a particular plot move and status quo change offensive).

3) Last, in your analogy the neighbour doesn't owe me anything, whereas Marvel owes their loyal fans (me included) everything. Without us you wouldn't have a yard or a tree in the first place, so the fact that it was cut down despite the protestations of many of us was offensive, and now the new neighbors have moved in and are saying they fully support that it was cut down and wouldn't change it back even if they could.

So, yeah, I'll continue to vote with my money.

As far as the accusations of my being unable to be unbiased in any future reviews I do of ASM, I think I've refuted that in every rational way. So until my editor assigns me an issue you'll just have to take my word for it.
 
I might add, i agree with Slott's sentiment/statement IF he was saying that about someone still talking about not liking Spider-Man anymore because they didn't like the SPider-Man Vs. Firelord 2-parter STORY. (just as an example). ((Which was a GREAT story, imo))

(You don't give up a comic series typically based on one bad story) OMD/BND isn't one bad story. It is a foundation for everything that is now. It is still going, still being explained, people still waiting for more explanations.

But, I mean, people are STILL talking about SINS PAST in threads of all sorts, it always comes up. Here, everywhere. No one is riding anyone for mentioning it when they do. A bad STORY from long ago. Why don't fans jump all over other fans when they mention not liking Sins Past still, all the time? It is a contradiction.

OMD/BND is an ONGOING concept, storyline, whatever, so it is ALL fair to discuss an ongoing story.

Incredibly good point, Farmer. Can't believe I didn't think of that, it seems so obvious now. Really good point man.
 
Remeber when this was a thread from a comic writer promoting a book that's important to him and the character. I like that way better than the analogy about BND marathon. This was something meant to be positive, but instead has reverted back to this same tired arguement. You guys arguing with Dan Slott are biased against the current stories. Yes erasing the marriage hurt a lot of fans but it's been a year and a half now. Can we please go more than a month without a BND arguement? Nothing Dan can say will change your minds. You're not taking in what he's saying you're looking for plot holes in his analogies. Imagine if you got dumped by your girlfriend and you're still complaining about it a year and a half later not only that you're keeping tabs on her, making sure you know what she's doing and critisizing her constantly. Instead of moving on you think all this will get what you miss back. All this does is distance you from her further and is boderline stalking. Well that's a pretty sad mindset to be in we can all agree, right. Well you're in that mindset over a comic character. If you care about the character move on. Maybe you'll like the book in a few years maybe you'll never read it again. Just let it go and stop dwelling on this.
 
you mean dissapointing stories for Spidey started with Civil War? Well, honestly, if so, then I have to disagree. Sins Past started that and continued onward through Civil War. If I'm not understanding your post correctly, just tell me.


I guess what I meant was they wrote him into a hole that they couldn't get him out of easily. They didn't give themselves much wiggle-room to write him the way the wanted (as being single).
 
Remeber when this was a thread from a comic writer promoting a book that's important to him and the character. I like that way better than the analogy about BND marathon. This was something meant to be positive, but instead has reverted back to this same tired arguement. You guys arguing with Dan Slott are biased against the current stories. Yes erasing the marriage hurt a lot of fans but it's been a year and a half now. Can we please go more than a month without a BND arguement? Nothing Dan can say will change your minds. You're not taking in what he's saying you're looking for plot holes in his analogies. Imagine if you got dumped by your girlfriend and you're still complaining about it a year and a half later not only that you're keeping tabs on her, making sure you know what she's doing and critisizing her constantly. Instead of moving on you think all this will get what you miss back. All this does is distance you from her further and is boderline stalking. Well that's a pretty sad mindset to be in we can all agree, right. Well you're in that mindset over a comic character. If you care about the character move on. Maybe you'll like the book in a few years maybe you'll never read it again. Just let it go and stop dwelling on this.


Did you just make another analogy?
 
[Omega Supreme]Irony: noted. Laughter: commencing.[/Omega Supreme]

... I've been watching way too much Transformers.
 
So, yeah, I'll continue to vote with my money.

Man, you would have been such a wallet voter when Captain Sta... err, no wait, when Gwen Sta... err, no, not then... when Mary Jane left the book after Pete's first propos... err, no, dammit... when Spidey got the black cost... err, no, not then... when Pete & MJ were forced into marria... err, no, maybe not then... maybe when Spidey got cosmic powe... err, no... maybe during the Clone Sa...err, no, too obvious... during the Mackie/Byrne "clichéd reboot"... err, no, yet again too obvious... maybe during the totem stu... err, naw... howz'about the unmaski... nope, can't be that...

As shown, Spider-Man comics have been about change. Some good, some bad. Some potentially progressive, some potentially seen as regressive. While you might think the current direction is regressive, and that is your rightful opinion to share, some may feel that pre-OMD Spider-Man was much more progressive than they would have liked in order to maintain the longetivity of the character. Spidey does not have a Dick Grayson to take over everytime he needs a "change"...

As far as I'm concerned, I'm just glad that Marvel didn't start again and are trying to make conitnuity go on... it's a bit of a punch to the kidneys for some fans, but these are comics and life goes on...

Cheers...

Mike

:yay:
 
My analogy, my rules. :yay:

Technically the original owner of the tree still lives at the house...

No. In this analogy the "house" equals the title "The Amazing Spider-Man" and the tenants equal the creative team.

So, in this case, the EIC would be the Mayor or the City Planner. :)

And, in either case, it would be the Mayor or City Planner who helped steer the entire town out of bankruptcy and guided it towards being the #1 town in the country! Far out performing any other town-- even the neighboring town in (the) D(istrict of) C(olumbia). :oldrazz:

Also, we have been giving that man money to continue the growth of that tree for years and years to the point to where it's like it's partly ours...

No. Sorry, but you're wrong. On many levels.

1.) The "we" in your scenario (unless you're using it like the royal "we") is not accurate. That "we" is not of the one mind that you paint it out to be. There are many in that "we" that are either glad that the apple tree is gone and/or moved to a new part of the lawn-- and a lot of that "we" who couldn't care less if there were a tree at all.

2.) The apple tree is owned by the people the Mayor works for. While some of the "we" in your analogy FEEL ownership or partial ownership, that's not the case. If they feel that in their hearts, that's a wonderful thing. And the "tree" can mean something to them personally-- and that's great too. They can have pictures and memories of the tree that are theirs and theirs alone. And that's great as well. I "live" in the house, and even I realize that it's not my "tree" or my "house"-- no matter how passionately I feel about that "tree" or that "house"-- or how much of my life I've dedicated to-- and hope to KEEP dedicating to-- tending them.

and when he cuts it down he throws out all that money and love we put into that tree just so he and his new visitors can see a little sun...

And here's where you miss the point. The man who cut down the tree did it for a reason-- to help and look after the HOUSE. Some of you guys are so focused on the tree-- you're not thinking about the HOUSE. The HOUSE is more important than the tree. The HOUSE was there before the tree, and while people's opinions about how much the tree added to the value of the house may vary-- we are ALL united in one thing: the HOUSE is more important than the tree.

And, guess what-- the TREE is back anyway-- just in a different part of the lawn. Seems pretty silly to still be complaining about it, doesn't it?
 
Did you just make another analogy?

Yup, Spider-Man broke up with that Mary Jane Watson girl idk if you've heard of her. Well any ways long story short Pete and MJ seem to be over it but these friends of theres always feel the need to bring up their break up instead of just enjoying things. I mean they did break up the whole "the Devil erased our marriage kinda way", but who hasn't done that at least once in their life.
 
I guess what I meant was they wrote him into a hole that they couldn't get him out of easily. They didn't give themselves much wiggle-room to write him the way the wanted (as being single).
Well, you mean in terms of Sins Past, etc, correct? I mean, they did write him into a hole that really was hard to dig out of, but honestly, they did. It took them a while, but they did. As i said, BND surprised me so much. The marriage was great, but aas I said about a year ago, both single and not single Peter are great.
 
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Yup, Spider-Man broke up with that Mary Jane Watson girl idk if you've heard of her. Well any ways long story short Pete and MJ seem to be over it but these friends of theres always feel the need to bring up their break up instead of just enjoying things. I mean they did break up the whole "the Devil erased our marriage kinda way", but who hasn't done that at least once in their life.

You didn't get my joke at all, did you?
 
With all the neighborhood tree talk, I'm just curious: We have a neighbor, whose oversized Pine tree dumps needles in our gutters all year round. It's a real pain. If some un-named person (not myself, because I would never be so stupid to implicate myself) poisoned this tree, and it fell over, all on it's own ( not hitting any buildings, of course.....well, at least not ours), would this have any bearing on this analogy that seems to consume so much of all of your time?
 
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I know what's going on here! Mr. Slott is a genius!!! He's convinced Random, JH, and others to continue debating him on this topic, because it continues to promote that Amazing Spider-Man #600 is still out, and available at your local comic shop. (BTW, in case some people forgot, it's a 61 page main story...104 pages long, with all new material....and, no ads!!!!)
 

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