Assassin´s Creed III

[carrrnuttt]

...in terms of actual philosophy, Freemasonry is actually a lot more akin to the Templars than the Assassins.

Can you clarify this? I'm genuinely asking.

Oh, and: http://askafreemason.org/

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'd bet on it.
That definitely appears to be Mr. One-Dollar Bill on the back of the box; and like others, I'd fully expect to see Ben Franklin play the Leonardo role this time around. And I'm sure we'll see plenty from the other Founding Fathers as well.

Yes! YES!!! I wasn't expecting this direction from the franchise but I'm pleasantly surprised and extremely excited to see this story unfolds. I am dying to see if and how the creators integrate Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Locke, etc into the Assassin's journey.

About the obvious similarities between the Freemason symbol and the Assassins': here's the thing.....in terms of actual philosophy, Freemasonry is actually a lot more akin to the Templars than the Assassins. So even though the *symbol* looks Assassin, what if the Freemason design actually indicates the Templars taking over the Assassins....? A sort of great-big "F.U." to the Assassins from the Templars....

Hells yes!

 

[BrollySupersj]

mfw the new Assassin turns out to be the guy who said "The British are coming!"

 

[Soapy]

Nah. But I'm calling it right now, you'll have to protect that guy (Paul Revere) from enemy assassins.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yeah, but there's a very specific difference between rebels/freedom-fighters and terrorists: in general, rebels/freedom-fighters hit military targets, while terrorists deliberately target civilians to create fear and panic. While there are instances of Americans being guilty of massacres against Loyalist civilians during the Revolution, those reports were sporadic and anecdotal. Full-blown warfare against the British army, and even guerrilla tactics against British supply lines and rearguards, hardly constitutes a "terrorist act."

Well, let's be honest. It's not like America has a clean and innocent slate. America has committed war crimes and acts of terrorism before -- the Iraq War and Afghani Invasion being the most recent cases.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

About the obvious similarities between the Freemason symbol and the Assassins': here's the thing.....in terms of actual philosophy, Freemasonry is actually a lot more akin to the Templars than the Assassins. So even though the *symbol* looks Assassin, what if the Freemason design actually indicates the Templars taking over the Assassins....? A sort of great-big "F.U." to the Assassins from the Templars....

Well don't forget the Assassins and the Templars have their similarities as well, similiar goals, it's just their methods that differ. Also, the Masons are fairly secretive and would make a great cover for the Assassins, to make an order that no one truly knows the inner workings of. I'd say it could still easily be the Assassins.

Wasn't Washington like a founder of the Masons, or one of them? Because I could also see them perhaps basing their idealogy on the Assassins during Washingtons time working with the Assassin and perhaps he's influenced a little by the Templars as well.

 

[Soapy]

Alright, we're getting off topic...

 

[BrollySupersj]

Nah. But I'm calling it right now, you'll have to protect that guy (Paul Revere) from enemy assassins.

That I can see happening.

 

[SpideyVille]

Nah. But I'm calling it right now, you'll have to protect that guy (Paul Revere) from enemy assassins.

I can see this happening too.

 

[cherokeesam]

Can you clarify this? I'm genuinely asking.

Oh, and: http://askafreemason.org/

I'm speaking more in fictional terms, in terms of the conspiracy theory perception of Freemasonry, rather than trying to debate an actual philosophy of the organization.

So, in terms of conspiracy theory mythology, the Masons *do* resemble AC's Templars in a lot of ways. The conspiracy theorists have always linked Freemasonry directly to the real-life Knights Templar, and they supposedly share a lot of iconography. "New World Order," "Novus Ordo Seclorum," being the most famous example.

Well, let's be honest. It's not like America has a clean and innocent slate. America has committed war crimes and acts of terrorism before -- the Iraq War and Afghani Invasion being the most recent cases.

Not to mention war crimes and acts of terrorism openly, for centuries, against the indigenous population of their own country. Hence, why having a Native American protagonist might highlight quite a bit of that.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yes! YES!!! I wasn't expecting this direction from the franchise but I'm pleasantly surprised and extremely excited to see this story unfolds. I am dying to see if and how the creators integrate Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Locke, etc into the Assassin's journey

"Don't tell me what I can't do!"

*stabs 800 guys*

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm speaking more in fictional terms, in terms of the conspiracy theory perception of Freemasonry, rather than trying to debate an actual philosophy of the organization.

So, in terms of conspiracy theory mythology, the Masons *do* resemble AC's Templars in a lot of ways. The conspiracy theorists have always linked Freemasonry directly to the real-life Knights Templar, and they supposedly share a lot of iconography. "New World Order," "Novus Ordo Seclorum," being the most famous example.

Not to mention war crimes and acts of terrorism openly, for centuries, against the indigenous population of their own country. Hence, why having a Native American protagonist might highlight quite a bit of that.

Yep. I would love it if the game explored some of those 'dark' elements in America's history. It'd be a fantastic starting point for the character's arc.

Frankly, having a Native American protagonist with the Revolutionary War setting is a brilliant move by Ubisoft and the creators.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

"Don't tell me what I can't do!"

*stabs 800 guys*

Those eyes and that cuddly teddy bear don't mix well.

 

[Brother Jack]

Yep. I would love it if the game explored some of those 'dark' elements in America's history. It'd be a fantastic starting point for the character's arc.

Frankly, having a Native American protagonist with the Revolutionary War setting is a brilliant move by Ubisoft and the creators.

Indeed it is. This won't be a guy who is just fighting for America against the Red Coats; he'll more likely be playing both sides or none at all. He has no allegiance to either cause, even though we've seen him attack a British soldier and rub shoulders with Washington.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Indeed it is. This won't be a guy who is just fighting for America against the Red Coats; he'll more likely be playing both sides or none at all. He has no allegiance to either cause, even though we've seen him attack a British soldier and rub shoulders with Washington.

Precisely. That angle is so deviant.

The fact that this Assassin will be an Ally/Rival to both sides or an Anti-Hero with unexpected allies will supply some stellar interactions with history's most iconic figures. I wonder what type of role he'll play in providing assistance to the Colonies and/or Empire.

 

[jacobed]

I'm very curious as to why he's fighting with the American's as most of the Native Americans fought on the British side during the Revolutionary War since they promised them more.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I'm very curious as to why he's fighting with the American's as most of the Native Americans fought on the British side during the Revolutionary War since they promised them more.

Quite likely the Templars vs Assassins struggle is the basis for the game while the war serves as the backdrop.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well he may be half Native American, brought up in a city or something or hell, he may not be Native American at all but the Assassins are or something.

You know what would be cool (and forgive me if this is full on) but if his dad was a Drunk and a cruel bastard who years ago, raped a Native American woman, without realising she was part of the Assassins Guild. Our hero has grown up in misery, hating his father and never knowing his mother. Revolutionary War starts, he becomes a soldier, gets wounded in a battle and found in the battlefield by a Native American who recognises a necklace or even just his face. There he meets his mother, finds out he is part Indian and indeed by birthright, an Assassin.

I know that's a very specific scenario, but that would be a damn cool way of having a character with motive to see things from all sides and to have him definitely find the Assassins Creed and lifestyle appealing, without making it another Revenge mission.

Edit: And if the game takes place over 10 years, like AC 2, you could have him years later, encounter his father doing something shonky as a really low tier Templar and just confront him, beat him up and then convince him he's weak and kinda end up saving him.


Oh man, I should totally be writing these stories :P

 

[SpideyVille]

Well so far we've seen each Assassin (Altair, Ezio, and Desmond) brought into the Assassin's war reluctantly. Altair was raised into it, Ezio stumbled into it for revenge, and Desmond ran away from it before being dragged back into it. So it would be interesting to see how they approach a new ancestor being brought into the mix and what his stakes are.

 

[Soapy]

I'm curious what his name is. All the other assassins names were "eagle" in a different language right?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Lol well if he IS Native American, you could just call him 'Diving Eagle' lol. That's probably a really ignorant suggestion, I must confess I don't know much about Native Americans except I love their philosophy. It's kind of like our Indigenous Australian's culture except less based around survival and more about respecting the land and nature and stuff.

Also, I am now so keen on my idea I'm gonna be totally disappointed when it turns out he's just some guy out for revenge or something.

 

[SpideyVille]

I'm curious what his name is. All the other assassins names were "eagle" in a different language right?

According to the AC wiki:

The names "Ezio" and "Altaïr" have similar meanings and origins. "Altaïr" means "the flying one," while "Ezio" means "eagle." "Altaïr" also comes from the name of the brightest star in the constellation Aquila, which also translates to "eagle."

And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that the new character would have a name that also meant eagle. The thing is that it would depend on the language and tribe that they use. Since there is no distinct Native American language, its hard to narrow it down to something specific. Though I doubt it would be something English like "Divine Eagle" unless there is also some kind of American influence or heritage to the character.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Lol well if he IS Native American, you could just call him 'Diving Eagle' lol. That's probably a really ignorant suggestion.

Yea, that is a bit ignorant and slightly offensive. Leave those kinds of comments to me brotha.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well I knew it was ignorant because as I said, I know very little about the specifics of Native American culture other than what I've seen in films and books, but was it really offensive? I apologise if it was.

I'll make up for it by writing more awesome Assassins Creed plot ideas....

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Maybe there will be a Rain Dance emote and you can start a casino.

The dude won't be fully Native American if he's an ancestor of Desmond anyway - he should already be part Middle Eastern/Italian, right? Unless Des isn't in the Animus this time...