Sci-Fi Avatar: The Way Of Water

[Drizzle]

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I almost wonder if they are going to attempt to redeem Quaritch through Spider. Also, now that Quaritch is a Na'vi hybrid, that might bring him closer to Pandora. Dunno, we shall see.

Quaritch does care about Spider at least. And he did care when Neytiri threatened Spider's life.

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Quaritch is responsible for pretty much everything bad that's happened to the Na'vi in these movies. I can't see him having a full 180 redemption arc where he turns good but I could maybe see him dying to save Spider as his "redemption" in a future sequel.

 

[TheVileOne]

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Which would make his redemption that much more dramatic when he eventually sides with the Na'vi Drizzle

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Not the same guy so he didn't actually do those things. Will make his "redemption" more understandable.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Didn’t he do a lot of bad s*** to the Na’vi in this movie too?

Can’t see that being swept under the rug cause he understands them better now lol

 

[KaijuDude1992]

As much as I did love Stephen Lang's performance in the first movie, I definitely think they handled his character better in this one by taking him in a far more interesting direction.

They actually gave him a bit of depth and complexity which was unexpected, yet he still had that same level of charisma and that imposing presence which made him stand out even more IMO.

I have no idea what they are planning to do with Quaritch in the future, but I really do hope they up the stakes and go all out with that character and hopefully they don't cheapen it with a redemption arc either.

 

[Drizzle]

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Which would make his redemption that much more dramatic when he eventually sides with the Na'vi Drizzle

I don't know, I think he's too far gone to see the error of his ways.

 

[moviedoors]

Redemption is probable too strong a word for where to take Quaritch, but maybe something more like recovery is apt; ownership of the damage he's responsible for and dedication to doing better moving forward, whilst also accepting that no one owes him forgiveness.

 

[TheVileOne]

Didn’t he do a lot of bad s*** to the Na’vi in this movie too?

Can’t see that being swept under the rug cause he understands them better now lol

Yes.

 

[Stringer]

Other than Spider being his son, I didn't understand his connection with him, or at least I wasn't convinced. It was odd that he was conflicted about protecting his son over the mission when he felt no conflict when torturing the Navi who he should feel some kinship towards. Good performance, but a whacky character.

 

[titansupes]

Quaritch hasn't connected to a spirit tree/Eywa yet. Surely he will and that will have some kind of impact on him, for good or evil.

 

[:eek:]

"Avatar 2" Script Was Split Into Two Films - Dark Horizons

 

[samsnee]

Hopefully the third changes the formula a bit instead of the usual “colonizers come in and try to destroy everything”. I know that’s the overall theme of the series, but I don’t think I can watch another 3 hours of it.

 

[Iceman]

Box Office: ‘Avatar’ Nears $200M US, ‘Babylon’, ‘I Wanna Dance’ Start Previews – Deadline


“20th Century/Disney’s Avatar: The Way of Water is pacing 37% ahead of yesterday’s revised $14.6M for a $20M Friday, which will put it on track for $83M 4-day, -45% from the pic’s first 4 days. Hopefully, the sequel will hit $90M at 4,202 theaters, if business shifts. That will put the pic’s 11-day box office at $280.7M.”

 

[TheVileOne]

Hopefully the third changes the formula a bit instead of the usual “colonizers come in and try to destroy everything”. I know that’s the overall theme of the series, but I don’t think I can watch another 3 hours of it.

Jon Landau indicated we'd learn about another new culture on Pandora.

 

[samsnee]

Well we did in this one as well but the third act was still reminiscent of the first movie.

Speaking of which, what happened to everyone at the initial attack? They all just sort of disappeared instead of Jake’s family.

 

[TheVileOne]

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I guess they beat most of the forces and it was just Quaritch and a few scattered remains left, so they thought it was appropriate to leave.

 

[moviedoors]

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I guess they beat most of the forces and it was just Quaritch and a few scattered remains left, so they thought it was appropriate to leave.

Something definitely got cut there. With its gargantuan length I imagine they got pretty ruthless with cutting it down, in this case, probably too ruthless. Honestly, I can easily picture a version that's 30 minutes longer.

 

[TheVileOne]

Something definitely got cut there. With its gargantuan length I imagine they got pretty ruthless with cutting it down, in this case, probably too ruthless. Honestly, I can easily picture a version that's 30 minutes longer.

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A lot got cut from the first movie, including Michelle Rodriguez's character's romance with Norm, hence her siding with the scientists and Na'vi. However, it's good they cut that from the movie because Norm doesn't react to her death at all.

Also Jake's life on Earth before going to Pandora. It was nice at least to check in with Earth and see a bit of what life is like in the future.

 

[Lily Adler]

Something definitely got cut there. With its gargantuan length I imagine they got pretty ruthless with cutting it down, in this case, probably too ruthless. Honestly, I can easily picture a version that's 30 minutes longer.

Director's Cut incoming on home release.

 

[Drizzle]

Something definitely got cut there. With its gargantuan length I imagine they got pretty ruthless with cutting it down, in this case, probably too ruthless. Honestly, I can easily picture a version that's 30 minutes longer.

That's what I thought too.

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They disappeared when the eclipse happened and the chief's daughter wasn't even off the ship yet so there was definitely a lot cut. Didn't make sense for them to bail when they had probably even more reason to hate the humans on the ship than Jake's family after they killed the tulkun.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

Other than Spider being his son, I didn't understand his connection with him, or at least I wasn't convinced. It was odd that he was conflicted about protecting his son over the mission when he felt no conflict when torturing the Navi who he should feel some kinship towards. Good performance, but a whacky character.

Um...he has the memories of the human Quaritch. That would include memories of his young son and all associated feelings of emotional attachment.

Being in a Na'vi body would perhaps give him some Na'vi instincts, but that wouldn't change the fact that he has the mind of someone who has disassociated himself from any feelings of empathy towards the Na'vi due to bigotry. Like, you know, if you transferred the mind of a KKK member into a black man's body, he wouldn't suddenly feel a stronger emotional attachment towards black people than towards his own infant son.

Not really sure what his arc was. I thought they were going to have him slowly bond with the planet and somewhat redeem himself but he was the same mustache twirling villain as before.

I think a lot of people are forgetting the part where he listened to Spider and decided to spare the Na'vi when they wouldn't give up Sully's location, instead deciding to burn down their homes and use the whales as bait instead. Obviously still ****ed up things to do, but it shows that he's got some sort of screwed up moral compass that Spider was able to reach.

 

[Stringer]

Um...he has the memories of the human Quaritch. That would include memories of his young son and all associated feelings of emotional attachment.

Being in a Na'vi body would perhaps give him some Na'vi instincts, but that wouldn't change the fact that he has the mind of someone who has disassociated himself from any feelings of empathy towards the Na'vi due to bigotry. Like, you know, if you transferred the mind of a KKK member into a black man's body, he wouldn't suddenly feel a stronger emotional attachment towards black people than towards his own infant son.



I think a lot of people are forgetting the part where he listened to Spider and decided to spare the Na'vi when they wouldn't give up Sully's location, instead deciding to burn down their homes and use the whales as bait instead. Obviously still ****ed up things to do, but it shows that he's got some sort of screwed up moral compass that Spider was able to reach.

Lol that's an awful example, but yes maybe it is too much to expect you or clearly Jim Cameron to understand or portray nuance in a character full of hatred. Instead he went with sudden kid.

 

[samsnee]

Did we know Quaritch had a kid in the first movie? It’s been so long since I’ve seen it I can’t remember.

 

[Drizzle]

Did we know Quaritch had a kid in the first movie? It’s been so long since I’ve seen it I can’t remember.

No but we knew so little of his backstory or what he was up to on the base when he was off-duty that it's an easy retcon.

 

[TheVileOne]

Did we know Quaritch had a kid in the first movie? It’s been so long since I’ve seen it I can’t remember.

No mention of a kid in the first movie, even in the deleted scenes.