Sci-Fi Avatar: The Way Of Water

[Iceman]

A lot of people say that Cameron has always surpassed the expectations, but he's also always been younger. On average as people get older and richer they become lazier and less effective. There are exceptions like Martin Scorcese, but that's what they are, exceptions.

With that said, I have a lot of confidence for Avatar due to his approach with screenwriting. He's taking screenwriting very seriously, unlike the vast majority of Hollywood.

This is happening/has happened to a lot of my favourite directors of old. They just seem to lose a bit of their edge.

 

[Greens]

Never doubt Cameron? From a financial standpoint, perhaps. But from a quality standpoint, I will absolutely doubt him.

 

[Rocketman]

I really hope the sequels are good. I want them to succeed. I'm not one of those people who actively wishes some movies end up bad and gets zero enjoyment out of life. I'll be there opening night like everyone else hoping for a great experience. I'm not going to take $13 of my money and waste it on something I've chosen to hate beforehand.

But I'm also not going to get pumped just because "It's Cameron." Cameron's a great director, but I wouldn't even put him in my top 20, personally. He's like Michael Bay if Michael Bay made amazingly great movies. I'm not comparing the two, but we can admit that he's not on the level of our greatest American directors. In my opinion.

 

[Iceman]

He was up there at his peak.

 

[OcStat]

It's amazing to me how many people around here try to undermine the Titanic. When was the last time you sat down and watched it beginning to end? It is a masterfully crafted movie. Great all around.

 

[Rocketman]

It's amazing to me how many people around here try to undermine the Titanic. When was the last time you sat down and watched it beginning to end? It is a masterfully crafted movie. Great all around.

But I will say, it's not a terrible movie by any means. "Terrible" is a word reserved for Twilight and the Epic/Disaster/Date Movies.

... But Titanic has a lot of cheese. The cheese and cringey moments are strong. And it's not Leo's best performance at all. It's kind of bad. And every moment with Billy Zane acting is embarrassing.

 

[Marvin]

I really hope the sequels are good. I want them to succeed. I'm not one of those people who actively wishes some movies end up bad and gets zero enjoyment out of life. I'll be there opening night like everyone else hoping for a great experience. I'm not going to take $13 of my money and waste it on something I've chosen to hate beforehand.

But I'm also not going to get pumped just because "It's Cameron." Cameron's a great director, but I wouldn't even put him in my top 20, personally. He's like Michael Bay if Michael Bay made amazingly great movies. I'm not comparing the two, but we can admit that he's not on the level of our greatest American directors. In my opinion.

you can 'admit' what you please.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I can admit he is not one of the great American directors.


















Because he is Canadian sucka!

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Because he is Canadian sucka!

All the best stuff comes from Canada.

Canada's greatest director!

 

[OcStat]

But I will say, it's not a terrible movie by any means. "Terrible" is a word reserved for Twilight and the Epic/Disaster/Date Movies.

... But Titanic has a lot of cheese. The cheese and cringey moments are strong. And it's not Leo's best performance at all. It's kind of bad. And every moment with Billy Zane acting is embarrassing.

Definitely not Leo's best, but he had how many movies under his belt at the time? He's only gotten better with age and experience but that doesn't mean he didn't do a good job in Titanic.

The movie also came out 20 years ago, the amount of cheese is open to interpretation and what qualifies as cheese changes with time. There's some cheesy scenes in both Terminators, doesn't make them any less awesome.

 

[Schlosser85]

Leo isn't very good in Titanic and Billy Zane is hilariously awful.

 

[Lord]

So, Titanic is bad because some scenes are cheesy nowdays? Then i guess many film classics are cheesy too.

James Cameron is a great director, might not be on the same level as some "auteurs", but he absolutely delivers at what he intends to. Titanic and Avatar were technical marvels with strong formulaic scripts, aside from a few head scratching stuff like "unobtanium" or "I think this ship might actualy be sinking", they were well written and well constructed. They definitely don't have major script flaws of the likes of Transformers or the Star Wars prequels, even if the internet sometimes seems to try implying that.

Funily enough, the criticism Avatar and Titanic get is similar to the one received by Sound of Music and Doctor Zhivago back in the day, where a majority of the public loved them, but film snobs constantly dissed on them, even though even the critics who disliked their pacing or plots considered that they were technical marvels.

 

[Rocketman]

Well, my problem with Cameron is that he is a great writer, but he dumbed himself down with Titanic and Avatar to appeal to mass audiences, and it worked. He knew what he was doing when writing for the lowest common denominator. Bay does the same thing. I truly think Cameron's first five movies are his best, and then he turned into a completely different writer/director.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I think Titanic is still one of the great disaster pictures. The romance and acting were always a little cheesy but from a technical and visual stand-point it actually hold up surprisingly well.

I think Titanic is one of those films especially guys tend to remember as being worse than it actually was.

I re-watched it some time ago after not having seen it in years and I was surprised it was better than I remembered.

 

[Marvin]

Well, my problem with Cameron is that he is a great writer, but he dumbed himself down with Titanic and Avatar to appeal to mass audiences, and it worked. He knew what he was doing when writing for the lowest common denominator. Bay does the same thing. I truly think Cameron's first five movies are his best, and then he turned into a completely different writer/director.

Kinda funny how him deciding to make a movie for the mass audience pretty much swept the oscars that year.

I'd love to see more (writer/)directors leap as effortlessly from genre and find that much success/accolade.

 

[Rocketman]

Kinda funny how him deciding to make a movie for the mass audience pretty much swept the oscars that year.

I'd love to see more (writer/)directors leap as effortlessly from genre and find that much success/accolade.

That was all hype. They couldn't ignore what it was making at the box office. It was a "gimmie".

 

[DarkKnight88]

Well, my problem with Cameron is that he is a great writer, but he dumbed himself down with Titanic and Avatar to appeal to mass audiences, and it worked. He knew what he was doing when writing for the lowest common denominator. Bay does the same thing. I truly think Cameron's first five movies are his best, and then he turned into a completely different writer/director.

Uh, Aliens, T2 and True Lies has its fair share of dumb too (especially True Lies). The writer of Avatar is the exact same writer of T2.

 

[Marvin]

That was all hype. They couldn't ignore what it was making at the box office. It was a "gimmie".

Can't be that much of a gimmie that of pandering to box office given how any 'big' films fail to sweep or even show up at the oscars year to year.

 

[redhawk23]

That was all hype. They couldn't ignore what it was making at the box office. It was a "gimmie".

They've ignored similarly huge movies.

 

[I Am The Knight]

So, Titanic is bad because some scenes are cheesy nowdays? Then i guess many film classics are cheesy too.

James Cameron is a great director, might not be on the same level as some "auteurs", but he absolutely delivers at what he intends to. Titanic and Avatar were technical marvels with strong formulaic scripts, aside from a few head scratching stuff like "unobtanium" or "I think this ship might actualy be sinking", they were well written and well constructed. They definitely don't have major script flaws of the likes of Transformers or the Star Wars prequels, even if the internet sometimes seems to try implying that.

Funily enough, the criticism Avatar and Titanic get is similar to the one received by Sound of Music and Doctor Zhivago back in the day, where a majority of the public loved them, but film snobs constantly dissed on them, even though even the critics who disliked their pacing or plots considered that they were technical marvels.

Unobtanium is a real concept, even if it sounds "dumb" to you.

 

[redhawk23]

Unobtanium is a slang term, basically a joke. In that movie it is applied as the real name of something.

 

[:eek:]

Unobtanium is a slang term, basically a joke. In that movie it is applied as the real name of something.

It isn't sillier than calling an asteroid James Bond

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9007_James_Bond​

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[Rocketman]

My understanding is that nobody in the sci-fi fiction community liked Cameron's name for the element. It was a laughing stock to hardcore readers/writers. It was created as an inside joke and he used it literally. It probably felt like a fart scene in any cheap comedy film where the jokes are thin. You know that feeling you get when someone farts in a movie? You're like, "Really? Seriously?"

 

[redhawk23]

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It isn't sillier than calling an asteroid James Bond

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9007_James_Bond​

Is astroid "James Bond' the central MacGuffin of a major feature film?

 

[Rocketman]

The next Craig film should be a remake of Moonraker, where he has to go to space and destroy an asteroid named James Bond, and metaphorically, it's like he's destroying himself. BOOM. *drops mic*