Avengers 1-4 vs The Dark Knight Trilogy

[MessiahDecoy123]

The battle of the titans!

Score each movie on a scale from one to ten then give me an average for each trilogy/quadrilogy.

Example...

Batman Begins 9
The Dark Knight 10
The Dark Knight Rises 8

Average = 9

Avengers 8
Age of Ultron 8
Infinity War 10
Endgame 10

Average = 9

Tie

 

[Spider-Fan]

The Avengers wins for me. The Avengers and Endgame are my 2 favorite CBMs. I also think of the movies, The Dark Knight Rises is easily the worst.

So it's not much of a contest for me personally.

 

[The Joker]

TDK trilogy for me.

 

[Batmannerism]

Hmmm.....

Batman Begins = 8 ( but should be treated as a 9 because it totally restored Batman's credibility on the big screen).

The Dark Knight = 11 ( IMO still the best cbm ever made, and a great movie full stop)

The Dark Knight Rises = 7 ( awesome when I first saw it, but it starts to unravel on each rewatch....)

8+ 11 + 7 = 26 ÷ 3 = 8.6667


Avengers = ummm 8, with some moments that are a 10.

Age of Ultron = would be an 8, but a bit too long. Hulk vs Hulkbuster is the highlight for me - the whole South Korea sequence padded out the film a bit too much IMO, with a little better writing and storytelling they could have dispensed with it and still introduced Vision. Despite his evil plan and James Spader's voice, somehow Ultron didn't feel menacing enough. Overall 7

Infinity War = a really well paced and impressive juggling of a big cast, with some amazing action sequences ( especially the fight on Titan) so 9.

Endgame = hmmm..... tricky. The final battle is easily a 10, but it meanders in the middle and I'm not a fan of "5 years later" as a story point, the time heist was a good idea and has some great moments, but also wanders a bit. With a little tighter storytelling it would have been a 10.
Overall an 8.

So 8 + 7 + 9 +8 = 32 ÷ 4 = 8

So, the Dark Knight takes it by .6667, that's pretty close so I'm happy to call it a tie.

Although no one asked.....

Captain America TFA: 7
Captain America: TWS 10
Captain America: CW 10 (

CW and TWS are great for different reasons but they're easily the very best of the MCU and infinitely rewatchable IMO)

(7 + 10 + 10)÷ 3 = 9

 

[The Batman]

The Dark Knight Trilogy doesn't have "Age of Ultron", so The Dark Knight Trilogy wins based off that alone.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Poll added.

 

[Sithborg]

Even to be fair to the Avengers, and dropping out the movie I really hated, Batman still wins. Dark Knight > Avengers. Batman Begins > Endgame. TDKR > AoU.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'll abstain from voting, cause TDK trilogy will be the absolute winner by a mile. Did that statement tell you I prefer Nolan's Batman trilogy?

I prefer the three Dark Knight movies to the four Avengers movies.

On a joy scale:

TDK trilogy: 11/10

Avengers quartlet: 10/10

 

[Kev4000]

So if I have Joker/Batman Avatar I choose TDK and with Marvel related I choose Avengers? Sounds legit.
Thats DC-vs-Marvel-Battle at its best.

 

[Captain Tired]

So if I have Joker/Batman Avatar I choose TDK and with Marvel related I choose Avengers? Sounds legit.
Thats DC-vs-Marvel-Battle at its best.

Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos!

 

[Fincher]

Not going to vote because I haven't seen Infinity War or Endgame yet, but I really, really doubt Avengers would take this.

Batman Begins - 9
The Dark Knight - 8
The Dark Knight Rises - 7

Avengers - 6
Age of Ultron - 6

 

[Batmannerism]

The Dark Knight Trilogy doesn't have "Age of Ultron", so The Dark Knight Trilogy wins based off that alone.

Have we done an Age of Ultron vs Dark Knight Rises thread yet? Both arguably the weakest films in their series.

I would put Age of Ultron slightly above Rises.

Rises is a film with immense ambition, but it falls short of the greatness that TDK achieved- the one thing that I think it deserves the most credit for is giving Batman an ending ( let's be honest, he's only in a proportionally small amount of the film).

Age of Ultron has similar problems, but doesn't unravel as much on rewatches - whereas Rises has plot contrivances that break the suspension of disbelief Ultron merely has mediocre storytelling and a wealth characterization of the main villain - in comparison Bane is truly nasty and menacing as a physical presence, although the muffled voice doesn't work for me.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

So if I have Joker/Batman Avatar I choose TDK and with Marvel related I choose Avengers? Sounds legit.
Thats DC-vs-Marvel-Battle at its best.

I broke this rule and chose Batman with my Spidey avatar.

 

[Zarex]

I prefer my comic book movies to be awfully comicbooky, and as such I much prefer the Avengers series to The Dark Knight Trilogy. I loved Begins, but I'm one of the very few who didn't like the direction the series went with TDK. And I thought Rises was pretty bad.

For the Avengers series, loved the first, was disappointed in the second, and thought the two part finale was amazeballs.

Batman Begins - 9
The Dark Knight - 8
The Dark Knight Rises - 6
Average - 7.67

Avengers - 9
Age of Ultron - 7
Infinity War - 10
Endgame - 9
Average - 8.75

 

[titansupes]

I don't know about numerical ratings or whatever, but--

BB-- While being the one I like least of the trilogy (sets feel like sets, the story is the most rote of the three, the acting/dialogue/direction etc all get better in the next two), it's still unique within the genre and great in its own right.

TDK-- Speaks for itself, surely? Still the crown jewel of the genre, and a genuine modern classic in the film world in general.

TDKR-- Falls just, JUST shy of the greatness of TDK, due to being a bit overstuffed. But still a powerhouse of a film.

TA-- One of if not THE most joyful experiences I've had in a cinema. Seriously. Great feeling. But, my second viewing at home... not so great. And its ageing... just terribly, IMO. Because of that first viewing, I'm never going to knock it too much, but...

AOU-- Weak. The only real value it has is retroactively, as you can see all the set-ups/connective tissue to CW and IW/EG so clearly and go "oooh". But as a story by itself, it's just... there.

IW-- Only saw it once, but loved it.

EG-- Only saw it once, but really really loved it.

Part of the reason I've only seen the latter two once each is because I've noticed Marvel movies tend not to hold up too well for me, even if I loved them in theatres, so I'm trying to preserve the feeling.

 

[Filmfreak]

Batman Begins - 9/10
The Dark Knight - 10/10
The Dark Knight Rises 9/10

The Avengers 8/10
Avengers: Age of Ultron 5/10
Avengers: Infinity War 8/10
Avengers: Endgame 6/10

 

[fan4stic]

The only Avengers movie I legit liked, with not many criticisms, was IW. 1, I expected more from. AOU I think tried to do more, but didn't do it as strongly as I would've preferred and has more missed opportunities, to me, than most of the Avengers movies. 2nd only, to me, to EG.

TDKT. I may think TDKR is very messy, the messiest of the trilogy, and maybe even messier than a lot of the MCU movies as far as movie construction wise. But I prefer Batman Begins over Avengers, as a movie. I prefer TDK over AOU. I may, in theory, have a preference for the writing construction of IW, I think it's hampered by CGI big battle at the end, that I don't think was needed. And then EG, to me, was a disappointment and missed more opportunities, to me, than the others. TDKR over that.

 

[Herofan]

I guess I can't vote but the Batman films are much better.

Batman Begins 8.5
The Dark Knight 7
The Dark Knight Rises 6

The Avengers 6
Avengers: Age of Ultron 5
Avengers: Infinity War Have not seen
Avengers: Endgame Have not seen

 

[The Batman]

Have we done an Age of Ultron vs Dark Knight Rises thread yet? Both arguably the weakest films in their series.

I would put Age of Ultron slightly above Rises.

Rises is a film with immense ambition, but it falls short of the greatness that TDK achieved- the one thing that I think it deserves the most credit for is giving Batman an ending ( let's be honest, he's only in a proportionally small amount of the film).

Age of Ultron has similar problems, but doesn't unravel as much on rewatches - whereas Rises has plot contrivances that break the suspension of disbelief Ultron merely has mediocre storytelling and a wealth characterization of the main villain - in comparison Bane is truly nasty and menacing as a physical presence, although the muffled voice doesn't work for me.

I did an AOU vs TDKR thread. TDKR won, and deservedly so.

 

[Frodo]

I would also rate TDKR higher than AOU. I tend not to even factor in AOU when I think of the Avengers films.

For me, the Avengers Trilogy is Avengers, then Infinity War, the Endgame when I look at it from a narrative standpoint.

AOU, for me, sort of seems like a one off side mission, while the other three Avengers films are tied together much more. AOU , much like Ironman 2, lays the ground work and sets up some things , but ultimately, its Infinity War which is more of a direct sequel to Avengers and is the Empire Strikes Back, of the Avengers films.

It's not perfect analogy of course, because there are solo films in addition to story and character development within the solo films. In that sense its not a narrative straight shot from one Avengers film to the next.

There are pit stops and detours in between (I.e. the solo films) which set up the status quo for the last two films.

Still though, I see the Avengers 1, Infinity War, and Endgame as its own trilogy.

So, If I'm comparing my head canon Avengers trilogy vs TDK trilogy it becomes tough.

In that case, I'd rate my head canon/amended Avengers trilogy a little bit higher than TDK trilogy as a trilogy.

I feel the last part of the Avengers trilogy Endgame, comes together better from a story telling and emotional standpoint than TDKR does as the final part of the TDK Trilogy.

 

[Zorro]

Batman is my favorite hero but I have to go with the Avengers films as I find them amazing. 3 out of 4 of them are among my favorite cbm while the dark knight trilogy are overrated to me.

Dark Knight is among my favorite cbm as well though but it''s not my favorite batman film

 

[KaijuDude1992]

Batman Begins - 8/10
The Dark Knight - 10/10
The Dark Knight Rises - 8/10

The Avengers - 10/10
Avengers: Age of Ultron - 7/10
Avengers: Infinity War - 9/10
Avengers: Endgame - 8/10

Man this was actually pretty damn hard. I absolutely love TDK and Begins was a really good one as well, but in the end The Avengers wins this for me. I'd put TDKR over Ultron any day though.

 

[Bayne]

Batman Begins 7
Dark Knight 10
Dark Knight Rises 6
Average 7.7

Avengers 8
Age of Ultron 8
Infinity War 9
Endgame 9
Average 8.5

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

I'll go with the Avengers films. I think that series has the best film (Infinity War) and it doesn't have the worst film in it either (TDKR).

For this particular comparison I think the biggest difference is how the films handle their tones. With the Avengers the tone is really embracing the comic book aspects and has enough self distance, while still not lacking seriousness, that I think everything fits together well and everything is supported. That makes the films feel like coherent visions.

My biggest issue with the TDK trilogy was always just that, tone, and in particular with TDK. I think they went too far into being gritty and grounded that comic book elements often stand out in the wrong way to me. When you get closer to a normal crime movie it doesn't work for me that the Joker's plans doesn't make any sense. In that tone he has to be written as actually intelligent and doing things he could reasonably pull off. I think Batman Begins handled it best and that's also the part of the trilogy I like the most.

Both series of course have their issues, as well as strengths, but for the sake of quickly arriving at a conclusion I'll just leave it at that.

In the end they really don't have much more in common than that they are comic book related film series though. They differ in almost every other way.

 

[Zorro]

The tone is probably a major thing for me too. I appreciate the comic book fantasy and fan service in the avengers films that embraces the comics come to life feel while the dark knight trilogy are great films but doesn't feel much like batman to me as it tries to be batman in the real world or something.

The old batman films may not have been all that accurate but at least they felt like batman else worlds comics. Batman'89 and Returns felt like novels from that time while Forever and Batman & Robin are like silver age comics.

The MCU may not be completely accurate but they still feel like a lot of marvel comics