Endgame Avengers: Endgame Box Office (Poll is for second film only)

[Spider-Aziz]

LOL even Don Cheadle low key made fun of him on twitter over this ridiculous statement saying it's the fans, not the Avengers making it happen

We do compliment these guys for motivating us to give them money.

 

[scarlet-witch]

He's probably just doing it since the Star Wars guys did it with Infinity War last year. They had that photo of Rey passing her lightsaber to Earth's Mightiest Heroes or something like that.

 

[Tymminator]

They have been doing that poster-congrats thing since I was a kid. The first I recall was Spielberg making one for Lucus on Star Wars beating Jaws. Then I remember Lucus making one for E.T. beating Star Wars, then wayyy later Spielberg makes one of Star Wars beating E.T. (During the special edition releases), and it goes on and on till today.

 

[Erzengel]

 

[Shuri]

Seems like I missed all the excitements. "Underwhelming" box office posts, James Cameron congratulating the mcu. Anyway, International is really going strong. 900m domestic still achievable?

 

[Claude_Speed]

Regarding the legs for Titanic and Avatar, aside from being freaks, those can only be achieved by releasing at Xmas where legs are inflated (and OWs stunted) for all films, and opening low (the real key). When you open at over $350m with summer around the corner, even a world-beating reception isn’t going to get you to Avatar/Titanic legs. You will continuously lose screens as another 20 big movies open up in the months after your release. Most great films don’t have legs anywhere near Titanic and Avatar. Only old films do as it wasn’t even possible to open as big as modern films do due to capacity being many times smaller.

Do you consider TDK a good film? I think it’s a useful comparable in this discussion as it opened the year before Avatar, is considered very good by most, and was still nowhere near a 4x multiplier. Nevermind an Avatar/Titanic multiplier. You might not trust anyone here, but field your question to whoever you believe to be a trustworthy box office expert (you can ask them on Twitter if you have it) and see for yourself. All the figures for historical films are available on the box office sites if you want to research further.

I'm perfectly aware that Christmas films can have better legs. That however doesn't change the fact that EG isn't performing extraordinarily well in terms of holds and drops, even for a movie that's released right before summer and despite having virtually no competition.

I think anyone with common sense would agree that even if Endgame was released on Christmas Eve, it still wouldn't have anywhere near the legs Avatar or Titanic had.

To answer your question, I consider TDK a very good movie, albeit not anywhere near the film achivements that were Titanic or Avatar.

 

[Erzengel]

Seems like I missed all the excitements. "Underwhelming" box office posts, James Cameron congratulating the mcu. Anyway, International is really going strong. 900m domestic still achievable?

Endgame's numbers are still above IW's.

Even if it maintained IW's numbers, it would put it at approximately $859M.

 

[shinlyle]

Seems like I missed all the excitements. "Underwhelming" box office posts, James Cameron congratulating the mcu. Anyway, International is really going strong. 900m domestic still achievable?

Those "underwhelming" posts always trip me out, honestly. "If it were truly outstanding, then I would like it, too" is all that those posts should say...as it's exactly what it means.

 

[Claude_Speed]

You're comparing people in 1977 with not many alternatives when the other theatrical movies weren't as big and there were still only 3 major channels and not everyone had cable.



It's either one or the other. You can't dismiss the percentage of people watching Avatar in 3D but then hang on to the percentage of the 2nd weekend drop, when it's still a very large number.


Word of mouth has always helped or hurt a movie. In EG's it did, but social media is also a reflection of our current generation/society of things fast and quick, so a movie burning bright from the get go is the normal now.


Especially since not all of us think Titanic is very good or that Avatar for as innovative as it was both suffer from very pedestrian storylines.

Do you see any alternatives for fans right now? Because as far as I can tell, EG has had virtually no competition so far and most theaters are filled with EG showings. But like I said, this point is meaningless imo. You're talking about a very small part of the audience: those who are willing not to see it on theaters. EG made 1.2B due to people rushing to see it OW.

I'm not dismissing Avatar's 3D %, I'm just saying that EG also made a lot of money on 3D and IMAX. Did the 3D novelty benefit Avatar? absolutely. Is that a bigger factor that having a 20+ movie franchise (which helped a 1.2B OW), CBM's being at their peak in popularity, inflation, and still, receiving the benefit of 3D and IMAX to the point of breaking records? I doubt it very much.

"social media is also a reflection of our current generation/society of things fast and quick"

I'm not sure what you mean here. Many movies have performed better than EG even in recent times.

People can dislike Titanic or Avatar, but deying their revolutionary/innovative factor is denying reality. EG is just another good MCU movie and a satisfying conclusion to the franchise. Not a game changer in terms of narrative, technology, visuals, etc.

 

[InCali]

Seems like I missed all the excitements. "Underwhelming" box office posts, James Cameron congratulating the mcu. Anyway, International is really going strong. 900m domestic still achievable?

You didn't miss much and didn't waste your time like I did. LOL. At first I was thinking "Y'know, this is so lame that I shouldn't even respond to it" and even erased what I was writing before I posted it. Then I thought "Oh Frell it. I'm gonna post." MahvelBaby! gave me a Mahvelous idea.

EDIT: An auto like on his/her next post

 

[Claude_Speed]

Yeah....who would be impressed with the box office number of a movie that had the highest opening weekend numbers and the 2nd highest BO weekend numbers for week 2 (and without the benefit of being released over the holiday; like TFA)? The thing you're missing is "when" these movies were released. Titanic, Avatar, TFA were ALL released during the Xmas holidays when a huge amount of people are off work and, certainly, out of school. Movies like this typically have much better legs because of this and also have better corridors.

This is really one of the silliest arguments I've read on the hype for a very long time. To paraphrase...."I'm not impressed with the Box Office numbers because I don't think the movie was that great. It was just hype."...OKAAAAAAAY...........box office numbers are box office numbers. How good a movie is remains subjective. If you didn't think the movie was that great, good for you. If you aren't impressed with a box office number that obliterated the former #1 by about $100M, well, that's freaking bizarre.

MahvelBaby!, I'm coming to join you. I don't have enough time for this sort of , uh, stuff. The Vile One finally has some company.

Edit: I didn't know that when you ignore someone that you can't even see their name anymore. My post doesn't even show the name of whatever the name was. OK. All the better.

Well, he just saved me the time of reading his entire post and writing a counter argument.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Posting for my auto like.

 

[Iceman]

They have been doing that poster-congrats thing since I was a kid. The first I recall was Spielberg making one for Lucus on Star Wars beating Jaws. Then I remember Lucus making one for E.T. beating Star Wars, then wayyy later Spielberg makes one of Star Wars beating E.T. (During the special edition releases), and it goes on and on till today.

Cool tradition. I didn’t know about those.

 

[Kuwolski]

Well, he just saved me the time of reading his entire post and writing a counter argument.

Question, do you think you are convincing anyone with you opinions? Or at this point people really care?

Have you not made your point about 'not being impressed'?

Beyond that, what is your purpose here, to just lie in the weeds and wait to put down every box office accomplishment that people are excited for?

 

[Claude_Speed]

Some people...
I guess that even if a movie was hypothetically to sell 7 billions tickets on its opening weekend and reasonably have the biggest drop ever in its second weekend, some people would point at it as proof that said movie from a franchise they don't like is not that great...
All it would prove is that everyone already saw it, nothing about its reception, explain that to them...

Extreme example of course, but not so off the mark when talking about THE BIGGEST OPENING EVER EVER EVER.
Live with it, nobody is saying you have to like the movie. For real.

Besides, it is not like it hadn't the SECOND BIGGEST WEEKEND EVER BY A SMALL MARGIN STILL.
Some people...

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If you're talking about me, let me clarify, I do like Marvel movies. In fact CATWS, Civil War and Infinity War are 3 of my favority CBM's.

I'm simply saying that a big OW is tied to many factors other than quality/inovat. I prefer seeing a movie destroy records because it delivers an entirely different movie watching experience. A very personal preference. Is that so wrong for you?

 

[Spider-Fan]

If you're talking about me, let me clarify, I do like Marvel movies. In fact CATWS, Civil War and Infinity War are 3 of my favority CBM's.

I'm simply saying that a big OW is tied to many factors other than quality/inovat. I prefer seeing a movie destroy records because it delivers an entirely different movie watching experience. A very personal preference. Is that so wrong for you?

Personal preference and box office means nothing. So Endgame doesn't impress you on a personal level, that's fine. You're entitled to that opinion. But downplaying the BO achievements of the movie is foolish. Box Office grosses have absolutely nothing to do with quality or if a movie changed film going.

But that said, clearly this movie resonated with people because it has strong holds despite such a massive opening. But I expect you to continue trying to move to goal posts and try to bend the numbers however you want despite any evidence to the contrary. It feels like this type of discussion.

 

[Smurphftw]

Posting for my auto like.

You were kind to me when I was foolishly low-balling Captain Marvel, so often feel inclined to give your posts an auto-like as well

 

[Claude_Speed]

Question, do you think you are convincing anyone with you opinions? Or at this point people really care?

Have you not made your point about 'not being impressed'?

Beyond that, what is your purpose here, to just lie in the weeds and wait to put down every box office accomplishment that people are excited for?

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I'm not here to convince anyone, I'm here to post my opinion. I'm replying to people who are still replying to me.

Question: Why is it so wrong not to agree with the majority? If I said that I was really impressed with how EG has made it's money, you wouldn't have a problem with my posts would you? and the only reason for that would be because you would agree with me. But since I think differently, you're questioning my opinion, my reason for being here and people are acting hostile.

No matter how civilized and respectful you might be, if you disagree with the majority, you're a target. Some people need to accept that not everyone is going to think like they do.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm not here to convince anyone, I'm here to post my opinion. I'm replying to people who are still replying to me.

Question: Why is it so wrong not to agree with the majority? If I said that I was really impressed with how EG has made it's money, you wouldn't have a problem with my posts would you? and the only reason for that would be because you would agree with me. But since I think differently, you're questioning my opinion, my reason for being here and people are acting hostile.

No matter how civilized and respectful you might be, if you disagree with the majority, you're a target.

Posting an opinion does not mean people have to agree with your opinion. This goes for basically any post, if you make a post on here and someone disagrees with you, prepare to defend your opinion. When a lot of people disagree with you, prepare for defending yourself a lot. What did you think was going to happen in an Endgame BO thread? That everyone was going to say "Aw shucks, well we're all wrong. All the money it made means nothing!!!" If you didn't see opposition coming your way, then you greatly miscalculated. That or counted on it to get some kind of rise out of people. One of the two.

 

[Claude_Speed]

Personal preference and box office means nothing. So Endgame doesn't impress you on a personal level, that's fine. You're entitled to that opinion. But downplaying the BO achievements of the movie is foolish. Box Office grosses have absolutely nothing to do with quality or if a movie changed film going.

But that said, clearly this movie resonated with people because it has strong holds despite such a massive opening. But I expect you to continue trying to move to goal posts and try to bend the numbers however you want despite any evidence to the contrary. It feels like this type of discussion.

There's a reason movies like BvS dropped 70%. A movie's perceived quality is definitely a BO factor.

"expect you to continue trying to move to goal posts and try to bend the numbers"

Perhaps you should stop assuming things about me when you don't know me. I never said EG didn't resonate with the audiences for instance.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

lol this guy has been on my ignore list for quite some time.

Edit: I think since Captain Marvel

 

[Kuwolski]

I'm not here to convince anyone, I'm here to post my opinion. I'm replying to people who are still replying to me.

Question: Why is it so wrong not to agree with the majority? If I said that I was really impressed with how EG has made it's money, you wouldn't have a problem with my posts would you? and the only reason for that would be because you would agree with me. But since I think differently, you're questioning my opinion, my reason for being here and people are acting hostile.

No matter how civilized and respectful you might be, if you disagree with the majority, you're a target. Some people need to accept that not everyone is going to think like they do.

I've already stated it's fine to have your opinion, I'm just wondering how many times do you have to make it in a 24 hour period.

 

[Spider-Fan]

There's a reason movies like BvS dropped 70%. A movie's perceived quality is definitely a BO factor.

"expect you to continue trying to move to goal posts and try to bend the numbers"

Perhaps you should stop assuming things about me when you don't know me. I never said EG didn't resonate with the audiences for instance.

That is not a metric of quality, it's a metric of did it get audience interest. Many will argue whether or not Venom is a good movie, but it is hard to argue it didn't find an audience regardless how one may feel about the movie itself. Same for Bay's Transformers films until the last one he did where the ship finally sank. So no, quality means little. Box Office is a metric of Popularity

So again, your personal taste in regards to Endgame means absolutely nothing in regards to its Box Office.

 

[Erzengel]

Do you see any alternatives for fans right now? Because as far as I can tell, EG has had virtually no competition so far and most theaters are filled with EG showings. But like I said, this point is meaningless imo. You're talking about a very small part of the audience: those who are willing not to see it on theaters. EG made 1.2B due to people rushing to see it OW.

Endgame is also in it's only 3rd week. There's a chance that Pokemon might surpass it this weekend. So again, this is how the current bo is now. With movies rarely going 2-3 weeks past.

Even when Titanic was big, that was along when big movies weren't dropped after January. Now with successes like Black Panther, Beauty and the Beast, bigger movies don't have to be dropped in the Summer or Winter.

But if you want to talk no competition, Titanic had virtually none except for Tomorrow Never Dies going into March of 1998.

I'm not dismissing Avatar's 3D %, I'm just saying that EG also made a lot of money on 3D and IMAX. Did the 3D novelty benefit Avatar? absolutely. Is that a bigger factor that having a 20+ movie franchise (which helped a 1.2B OW), CBM's being at their peak in popularity, inflation, and still, receiving the benefit of 3D and IMAX to the point of breaking records? I doubt it very much.

Each time a movie tops the BO, there's a slew of different circumstances that lead to that success.

Once upon a time, Titanic and Avatar were at the peak of inflation. Are we going to compare Gone with the Wind with Avatar when even the entertainment back in the 1930s was different than 2000s?

"social media is also a reflection of our current generation/society of things fast and quick"

I'm not sure what you mean here. Many movies have performed better than EG even in recent times.

I brought up social media because I do agree it helps movies as well as hurt bad movies, but means that it is all part of the current set up of the box office having to see movies right away because of the short attention spans and shorter release windows.

People can dislike Titanic or Avatar, but deying their revolutionary/innovative factor is denying reality. EG is just another good MCU movie and a satisfying conclusion to the franchise. Not a game changer in terms of narrative, technology, visuals, etc.

It is the conclusion to a 21 movie set up, something that's never been done before. None only done critically, fan but financially well. That's pretty historic and very much a game changer. Especially considering other Studios are struggling with the Extended Universe part.

 

[Claude_Speed]

Posting an opinion does not mean people have to agree with your opinion. This goes for basically any post, if you make a post on here and someone disagrees with you, prepare to defend your opinion. When a lot of people disagree with you, prepare for defending yourself a lot. What did you think was going to happen in an Endgame BO thread? That everyone was going to say "Aw shucks, well we're all wrong. All the money it made means nothing!!!" If you didn't see opposition coming your way, then you greatly miscalculated. That or counted on it to get some kind of rise out of people. One of the two.

Read my post. I actually acknowledged my opinion was going to be unpopular here (although some people did like my post).

Did I expect counter arguments? Yes.
Did I expect hostility and being questioned why I'm here despite not being disrespectful to anyone?

Well, should I?