Infinity War Avengers: Infinity War SPOILER User Review Thread - Part 1

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But again, why couldn't he hone in on Vision? Why would I think he could hone in on Scott any easier than Vision? There's obvious limits to this power. Just being on house arrest, given he is Ant-Man, doesn't mean he is there anyway.

I pretty sure he can....the writers(M&M) obviously, to answer your question, chose to make a more thrilling story.
 
I do think it does take something away when so many major characters get wiped out that you know it doesn't really count. You know it will be walked back. Maybe I've just read too many comics or seen too many shows that that sort of plot point to be overly dramatic for me anymore. If anything it's kinda boring and over used. :( That would be my only complaint in an otherwise entertaining film.

Some WON'T come back.

In A4, some new ones will permanently pass on.

But I don't think we're ever supposed to take T's half-universe wipe-out as permanent. Strange says in one timeline they win. He initiated that timeline. Winning can only mean restoring those dissolved by T's half-universe wipe out. Otherwise it's not winning. It's just revenge.

So I don't see the wipe out as anything but a cliffhanger. We knew it would be reversed the second it happened.

But what we DO get to see is how they dramatize the characters coping with it and reacting to it and setting out to undo it. The characters don't know it's temporary, as characters they can only hope they can reverse it.

Meanwhile as I said there are other losses that will not be restored, and there will be new permanent losses to come.

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When a new loss happens that will be permanent, after SO MANY in the movies and Netflix/tv havent been...why should anyone feel any emotion in the moment? After all...we don't really know if it'll be permanent and death will have JUST been proven yet again to be a minor nuisance. I worry that major characters will die and I will just brush it off as nothing...only to realize years later that I was supposed to give a crap. I certainly rolled my eyes at the end of this film (after loving pretty much every second of the film before Panther turned to dust).
 
Been thinking about this film some more. Will catch my 2nd viewing this coming weekend.

At any rate - I think the part I'm still hung up on is the whole Gamora/Thanos element. It's essentially the core of the entire thing, which is bizarre given that it's an Avengers movie. Zoe Saldana was FINALLY given some material to work and boy did she show it. However, it's a real departure from her character in the GOTG films. All we ever knew prior to this, was that Thanos adopted all these children and made them fight each other or do his dirty work. Then we find out in AIW that there's love there. The whole thing comes on too fast in order to move the plot forward with the soul stone.

I have a hard time with films when such important elements are paid lip service rather than fleshed out. Hopefully my follow up viewing cleans this up for me because I'm not crazy about it like I hoped. Could also be that I'm dealing with my cat struggling with kidney disease who I was anxietal about all weekend.
 
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Been thinking about this film some more. Will catch my 2nd viewing this coming weekend.

At any rate - I think the part I'm still hung up on is the whole Gamora/Thanos element. It's essentially the core of the entire thing, which is bizarre given that it's an Avengers movie. Zoe Saldana was FINALLY given some material to work and boy did she show it. However, it's a real departure from her character in the GOTG films. All we ever knew prior to this, was that Thanos adopted all these children and made them fight each other or do his dirty work. Then we find out in AIW that there's love there. It just comes on so fast in order to move the plot forward with the soul stone.

I have a hard time with films when such important elements are paid lip service rather than fleshed out. Hopefully my follow up viewing cleans this up for me because I'm not crazy about it like I hoped. Could also be that I'm dealing with a diseased pet who I was anxietal about all weekend.
Well in GOTG the Thanos scene when Nebula, Gamora, and Ronin are talking I believe Thanos or Nebula mention how Gamora is his favorite. The movie did mention how she was never harmed or punished. Gamora was always looked at his the best in the group.

I do wonder how Proxima and Gamora got along.
 
Well in GOTG the Thanos scene when Nebula, Gamora, and Ronin are talking I believe Thanos or Nebula mention how Gamora is his favorite. The movie did mention how she was never harmed or punished. Gamora was always looked at his the best in the group.

I do wonder how Proxima and Gamora got along.

True. He did say that in GOTG and it's extremely brief. Which again is in the vein of lip service that I was referring to.

Again this is just me. Other people don't have issues with it and that's fine.
 
When a new loss happens that will be permanent, after SO MANY in the movies and Netflix/tv havent been...why should anyone feel any emotion in the moment? After all...we don't really know if it'll be permanent and death will have JUST been proven yet again to be a minor nuisance. I worry that major characters will die and I will just brush it off as nothing...only to realize years later that I was supposed to give a crap. I certainly rolled my eyes at the end of this film (after loving pretty much every second of the film before Panther turned to dust).

This. :( It's overdone already.
 
On the other hand I thought one of the best sorta characters was Strange's amazing cape. It was its own wonderful creature. I want one. :D
 
This just in.....

Marvel has decided to cancel BP2 and DS2 because they thought it prudent to raise the stakes of A:IW.
 
On the other hand I thought one of the best sorta characters was Strange's amazing cape. It was its own wonderful creature. I want one. :D

OMG.....DON'T KILL THE CAPE!!!!!!:cwink:
 
On the other hand I thought one of the best sorta characters was Strange's amazing cape. It was its own wonderful creature. I want one. :D
I liked the cape more in this one. I thought the comedy for it in DS1 was overdone.
 
Speaking of Strange, that Thanos battle scene was awesome - especially when he multiplied like that. Their SFX for him were fantastic.
 
Speaking of Strange, that Thanos battle scene was awesome - especially when he multiplied like that. Their SFX for him were fantastic.

Yeah, I liked that bit as well. Funny how I never cared much for Strange in the comics but I'm enjoying him in these films. :)
 
Been thinking about this film some more. Will catch my 2nd viewing this coming weekend.

At any rate - I think the part I'm still hung up on is the whole Gamora/Thanos element. It's essentially the core of the entire thing, which is bizarre given that it's an Avengers movie. Zoe Saldana was FINALLY given some material to work and boy did she show it. However, it's a real departure from her character in the GOTG films. All we ever knew prior to this, was that Thanos adopted all these children and made them fight each other or do his dirty work. Then we find out in AIW that there's love there. It just comes on so fast in order to move the plot forward with the soul stone.

I have a hard time with films when such important elements are paid lip service rather than fleshed out. Hopefully my follow up viewing cleans this up for me because I'm not crazy about it like I hoped. Could also be that I'm dealing with my cat struggling with kidney disease who I was anxietal about all weekend.

My big problem with the Gamora stuff, although I agree that Zoe's performance was great, was that she was basically just a prop here.

People tell me "well she was key to the story" and that's true. But the WAY that she was important was still awful imo.

Let me put it this way, to all of those who complained about Black Widow's role in AOU, I get it now. Because that's pretty much exactly how I feel about how Gamora was used here.
 
My big problem with the Gamora stuff, although I agree that Zoe's performance was great, was that she was basically just a prop here.

I can understand a negative reaction there, because she is sacrificed by Thanos to further his own story, and there is even the scene with the boyfriend who loses his cool because she was killed.

It's not too far from the infamous "refrigerator" scenario that has often been criticized in the comics. The difference being that the focus is more on the villain than the boyfriend/hero taking his revenge.

Gamora does come across as a fully human character. That is the positive side. She's not one-dimensional. She doesn't exist *only* to serve the plot. But that is still basically her role.

These movies desperately need better roles for the female characters. They have been doing better recently, but this movie may have been a step back in that regard.

It's another thing that I will keep an eye on when I see the movie again. But, thinking back, I must say that the critique seems valid to me.
 
When a new loss happens that will be permanent, after SO MANY in the movies and Netflix/tv havent been...why should anyone feel any emotion in the moment? After all...we don't really know if it'll be permanent and death will have JUST been proven yet again to be a minor nuisance. I worry that major characters will die and I will just brush it off as nothing...only to realize years later that I was supposed to give a crap. I certainly rolled my eyes at the end of this film (after loving pretty much every second of the film before Panther turned to dust).

We know Loki's death is permanent.

Gamora's too, presumably, unless being trapped in the soul stone means you can be resurrected.

Heimdall.

And RDJ and Evans can't go on forever.

It's different from the half universe wipe-out which we KNOW is a cliffhanger, and that the whole point of Strange saying they have 1 timeline leading to victory HAS TO mean that the wipe-out is reversed. Otherwise it's not victory.

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When a new loss happens that will be permanent, after SO MANY in the movies and Netflix/tv havent been...why should anyone feel any emotion in the moment?

Either it works emotionally for you in the moment, or it doesn't. Why should you care what 'anyone' feels?

And if you really think they're going to go through the trouble of killing a major Avenger in A4 just to bring them back-- that wouldn't make much sense on Marvel's part.

If you're thinking so much about the franchise while you're watching these movies, think about this: The whole point of A4 is to create story reasons for several major players to gracefully exit the franchise because they are aging out/moving on with their careers and Marvel is making room for the new crop of characters.

This isn't a lead-up to 'Captain America 4', I can assure you.

I'm on record as wanting meaningful final demise for at least one favorite major character. I want to see Marvel commit to mortal consequences that can't be walked back. Nothing in IW indicates I won't get that by the end of A4, even though lots of IW will be reversed. By the end of the 'Infinity' saga, there will be major lasting casualties, I'm sure of it.
 
One Steve on Earth, another on Titan.

I can't help but think how much of the climax blame goes on Strange, and Quill.
 
That's why I made to sure write his name once I remembered.
 
Them getting the gauntlet wouldn't have mattered, as that would have been another one of those 14+ million possibilities that Doctor Strange saw and knew would end in defeat.

So leave Star Lord alone, what he did didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Thanos had to get the gauntlet and do the snap so he could be defeated later. That is the 1 possibility that ends in victory.
 
Gauntlet pulled, Strange uses the time stone on Thanos to freeze him in time.
 
Gauntlet pulled, Strange uses the time stone on Thanos to freeze him in time.

Doctor Strange saw that possibility and all other possibilities and they all still ended in defeat one way or another. Like I said, there is one 1 possibility that ends in victory as Strange clearly stated.
 
Doctor Strange saw that possibility and all other possibilities and they all still ended in defeat one way or another. Like I said, there is one 1 possibility that ends in victory as Strange clearly stated.
We don't know which one.
 
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