Infinity War Avengers: Infinity War SPOILER User Review Thread - Part 2

[Murdock103]

This is all gonna be undone in a way that it will be as though it never happened. Outside of some heroes maybe not even all but some having a memory of the events the rest of the MCU will kind of have to be in the dark about it after such a huge event. It's just too big of a thing to assume that life just goes back to normal with no big repercussions, and said repercussions are not necessarily what big tent pole films are about exploring with any depth.

Politically, socially... Half of the planet's population going bye bye out of the blue for any period of time have gigantic consequences.

Look at the Fury post credit scene. More than just the people that were eliminated due to the Guantlet died that day. If your plane's cockpit crew disappeared chances are you died too even if you weren't in the half that Thanos culled. Were you on an operating table with your chest open when the snap happened? Well your chances of surviving when the operating theater has half of the staff decreased a lot.

So even if the people Thanos blinked away came back there would still be a crap metric ton of people that dies due to the aftermath of those missing people. The people that died on that theoretical airplane don't come back just because the heroes reverse what Thanos did, I don't think.

Unless... There is a reset that undoes it all in some way. The ramifications for the MCU going forward are just too big to not do it that way. The MCU ceases to be a reasonable facsimile of our world and becomes a totally alternate world that would bare no resemblance to our if the heroes don't reset it somehow. Do we think that Spidey films are going to take place in a New York where who knows what the aftermath of the IW would lead to? I just don't see Marvel leaning into that scenario for more than one movie.

If I had to guess....I imagine that something will happen that basically makes it as though half the universe getting wiped out never happened. I imagine only a select few (probably our heroes) will remember their events.

However, that is somewhat besides the point. My point was if you show these characters in another plain of existence when they die, it takes away from the impact of their death.
Especially if you try and give all different characters their respective afterlives which would become incredibly messy.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

If I had to guess....I imagine that something will happen that basically makes it as though half the universe getting wiped out never happened. I imagine only a select few (probably our heroes) will remember their events.

However, that is somewhat besides the point. My point was if you show these characters in another plain of existence when they die, it takes away from the impact of their death.
Especially if you try and give all different characters their respective afterlives which would become incredibly messy.

That's just it though. If it's a total reset then you never have to go into those issues at all.

 

[Murdock103]

That's just it though. If it's a total reset then you never have to go into those issues at all.

I think we might be getting our wires crossed.
If you show in Avengers 4, a bunch of characters in their afterlives, it doesn’t after if they remember it after, you’ve already introduced the concept in the Avengers 4.

 

[SteveRogers41]

Interesting quote from Bob Iger, Disney's CEO, when asked whether the Avengers franchise will continue after Avengers 4...

I think this puts a nail in the coffin of the theory that there wouldn't be any more big event films after A4.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Once the FOX assets deal is complete, I so want to see Secret War happen (the classic, good version!)

 

[SteveRogers41]

So apparently that wasn't the full Iger quote, here's the full one:

"I'm guessing we will try our hand at what I'll call a new franchise beyond Avengers, but that doesn't necessarily mean you won't see more Avengers down the road. We just haven't made any announcements about that," Iger said during an earnings call on Tuesday (via The Hollywood Reporter). "Given the popularity of the characters and given the popularity of the franchise, I don't think people should conclude there will never be another Avengers movie."

This 'other franchise' is probably referencing the Eternals, if I had to guess. Would fit with Feige mentioning that they're going cosmic. And it's undoubtedly why they tried so hard to make the audience interested and intrigued by Thanos, so they could spring into them through him.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am hoping Cosmic means Skrulls.

They to have a Celestial and therefor Eternals connection.

That said... I reserve judgment on the whole Eternals thing just cuz, frankly, they have never had too much appeal to me in the comics outside of a few appearances. Until I saw some footage my enthusiasm would be pretty tempered if they were what the coming "phases" were built around.

That said, the judgement of the Celestials does lend itself to both breadcrumbs in solo films and a big crossover event film.

 

[P Supreme]

once Disney gets the rights officially there new big franchise will be the xmen and F4 and when they do the eventual Xmen vs Avengers
give them all the box office records now

 

[SteveRogers41]

I am hoping Cosmic means Skrulls.

They to have a Celestial and therefor Eternals connection.

That said... I reserve judgment on the whole Eternals thing just cuz, frankly, they have never had too much appeal to me in the comics outside of a few appearances. Until I saw some footage my enthusiasm would be pretty tempered if they were what the coming "phases" were built around.

That said, the judgement of the Celestials does lend itself to both breadcrumbs in solo films and a big crossover event film.

As far as connections go, they've already established several when it comes to the Celestials in the MCU. First there was one shown in GotG 1. Plus Knowhere, itself, is a Celestial head. And then they go and make Ego one in GotG 2.

... it's funny because when I read that Gunn was going to do that, before GotG 2 was released, I scratched my head, wondering why in the world would you make Ego a Celestial, it didn't make any sort of narrative sense, but if they're heading the way I suspect they're heading then it does make sense. And what Ego was trying to do, to several planets at once, was a 'host'.

Not sure why he was under the impression he was the only one left, though.

 

[Brutikus]

Russos said she was alive and not on the ship.

Yah,I was mentioning it cause someone here (cannot recall whom) claimed they had seen her in that opening scene.

I did not recall that on 1st viewing and definitely she's not there.

 

[legendkillin]

once Disney gets the rights officially there new big franchise will be the xmen and F4 and when they do the eventual Xmen vs Avengers
give them all the box office records now

I don't see F4 ever being considered one of their big franchises. They will be major side edition characters though aiding and yeah getting their movie but not a top level group for the MCU. I would put them on the Ant-Man &Dr.Strange tier for first films mainly because F4 has had 2 duds and a average at best. BEing in the MCU will boost them.

X-Men vs Avengers would need a major villain because everyone would know they are going to buddy up. The Avengers won't be the originals so it can lose a bit of its shine.It just has to be done right since it can easily be AoU like.

 

[legendkillin]

Yah,I was mentioning it cause someone here (cannot recall whom) claimed they had seen her in that opening scene.

I did not recall that on 1st viewing and definitely she's not there.

No problem, I didn't recall seeing her at all and would have expected a close up. If Heimdall had some last words and a scene someone as popular as Valkyrie would have. She was great in Ragnarok.

 

[legendkillin]

Interesting quote from Bob Iger, Disney's CEO, when asked whether the Avengers franchise will continue after Avengers 4...

I think this puts a nail in the coffin of the theory that there wouldn't be any more big event films after A4.

I expect more Avenger movies but A5 should be 4-5 years after this next one. They are have IWs and A4 be a year apart to a break is deserved between another major universe altering conflict. Some may even call Civil War a semi Avengers film so we have really had 3 in a 4year span.

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah but there will be team up movies still, I think. Like with Ragnarok. Just not the whole "every hero in the MCU" stuff for the next 3-4 years.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

They made GOTG a mega hit team. I can only imagine what ghey will do with a property like the FF. Like with Spidey I think they will put major effort into making them and Doom major players in the MCU.

If anything I could see them benching the mutants for a spell given the current situation.

 

[Eldenfirefly]

I Think actor salaries might be an issue. Goodness knows how much they had to shell out to bring together so many actor and actresses for Infinity war and A4. (Not to mention the scheduling). And its not like the marvel universe doesn't have other heroes. So, who knows, maybe they want to kill off as many of the existing super heroes as they can and start anew again. They have proven that they can make a C list tier hero into a megahit. And they have proven they can cast relative unknowns and still make the movies draw in mega bucks.

I really wouldn't be that surprised if by the end of A4, we are in a situation where most of the superheroes are dead.

 

[B]

9.5/10

Fantastic film, by a clear country mile the best MCU film of phase 3 & my favourite since the original Guardians of The Galaxy. As of right now for me it's my favourite in the entirety of the MCU beating out the initial Avengers movie & that's largely I feel because of the actual main villain being so much better.

Thanos was simply fantastic, visually looked on point for 99.9% of the film, the CGI department deserves a raise for how good he looked, particularly the close ups. This sort of villain for me are the ones that I find most appealing. They actually believe they are the good guys and/or are doing the right thing, not only that but you actually buy into it. I actually can't think of any on screen villains that fit this sort of criteria that are as powerful as Thanos (pre or post Guantlet) or that I've actually bought into. General Zod (Man of Steel version) perhaps but it's apple's & orange's, either way there is a new benchmark for these sorts of (now) omnipotent sort of super-villain. Should DC ever get their act together & do Darkseid, who is by all means extremely similar to Thanos, what the MCU has achieved here with Thanos is what they should strive to achieve.

Thor was the other standout for me, I've wanted to see this from Thor in a long time, we saw a little of it in Ragnarok, but in IW he went full God mode & actually displayed real feats of strength, durability & power that show why he's often talked about in VS situations against the most powerful of Marvel & DC characters. His return with Rocket & Groot to help the fight in Wakanda was outstandingly done. I'm also pleased we didn't see the Ragnarok Comedy Central Thor, obviously events early on put him in serious mode for most of the film, however the humour he was involved in was a lot more scaled back & more in line with what I want to see from him.

Tony Stark's scenes with Starlord, Spiderman & in particular Dr. Strange were all very enjoyable to watch, Pratt, RDJ & Cumberbatch all worked well together then toss in some witty remarks from Holland a lot of their moments on Titan were golden.

Overall loved the film & I cannot wait for the 2nd part, the only reason it's not a 10/10 is because of Bruce Banner/Hulk's role in film, Starlord's Martha moment, Vision/Wanda's relationship & some continuity issues.

 

[Filmfan93]

Nice review, but what do you mean Star Lord's Martha moment?

This film had nowhere near as bad of a scene that BvS had.

 

[LoganPool]

So it's looking more and more likely that A4 picks up anywhere from 5 to 10 years after the snap. I don't like the sound of that. I wanna see the immediate aftermath. I wanna see the survivors trying to cope with things. Hope we get some kind of an explaination of what they've been up to in those years past.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's not 5-10 years later. Here is what Paltrow said:

"Pepper and Tony have had a real long journey together. She obviously starts as his dutiful assistant, and then the relationship evolves, and now this decade later they're married, and they have a child. Their relationship has evolved in all of the ways that great romances evolve."

She says a decade later in the quote, but that is in context from Pepper's journey with Tony from Iron Man to Avengers 4 (the relationship evolves over a decade). So, using timeline math (we know Homecoming's 8yrs later is wrong), we can safely assume 2-3 years. Here's why:

In IW, Stark says Thanos has been in his head for 6 years and now he is back. This would indicate Avengers took place 6 years before IW. We know the events of IM2/Thor/TIH took place 1 year before Avengers (when talking to everyone, he says last year Earth had a visitor that leveled a small town...calling back to the events of Thor and all 3 of those films took pace same time). IM2 from Stark Expo onward is 6 months after Iron Man. So that put total timeline to nearly 8 years (let's call it 8). That would mean if IW is 8 years after IM1 and it is a decade later, 2 year time jump. Maybe 3.

 

[WitcherGeralt]

Yeah would fit how Tony's hair was grey af in some of the leaked set images of A4.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Back from my 7th viewing. Couple of things.

How does Thor know that the Time Stone is on Earth and is safe with the Avengers?

Loved how Rocket and Groot run into battle alongside their new friend Thor.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The one statement that throws my math off in the movies is Vision saying Tony announced himself as Iron Man 8 years ago. But within the timeline, that number makes no sense especially if Tony says Thanos was back after 6 years in IW (which was 2yrs after Civil War...meaning CW had to be 4 years after Avengers...which would mean Tony couldn't have been Iron Man 8yrs ago, LOL). So I am taking Tony at his word on this one, LOL!

 

[Flint Marko]

I've always said that it's a mistake to nail down specific time range/dates in these movies.

Vision doesn't have to say "in the 8 years since Tony announced himself", he could have just left that ambiguous and said "in the years since Tony announced himself". Homecoming didn't have to open and say "8 years later", it could have just said "several years later" or something like that. You get my point. Once you start getting specific, problems can and will arise and you get tangled in trying to make everything fit together when, if you had left it ambiguous, it wouldn't have been a problem.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I've always said that it's a mistake to nail down specific time range/dates in these movies.

Vision doesn't have to say "in the 8 years since Tony announced himself", he could have just left that ambiguous and said "in the years since Tony announced himself". Homecoming didn't have to open and say "8 years later", it could have just said "several years later" or something like that. You get my point. Once you start getting specific, problems can and will arise and you get tangled in trying to make everything fit together when, if you had left it ambiguous, it wouldn't have been a problem.

I def agree, but looking at it based on the 6yr math Tony gave us in IW, everything sort of lines up on that math. So, Marvel has been about 90% effective with their time line, LOL!!!

But yeah, I am expecting a 2-3 year time jump.