Infinity War Avengers: Infinity War SPOILER User Review Thread - Part 2

[Flint Marko]

I def agree, but looking at it based on the 6yr math Tony gave us in IW, everything sort of lines up on that math. So, Marvel has been about 90% effective with their time line, LOL!!!

But yeah, I am expecting a 2-3 year time jump.

Yeah I think the one big blunder that everyone can agree on is the Homecoming, someone should have stopped that before it got released lol.

But wait, a 2-3 year time jump between IW and A4?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah I think the one big blunder that everyone can agree on is the Homecoming, someone should have stopped that before it got released lol.

But wait, a 2-3 year time jump between IW and A4?

Yeah, on the previous page, read that quote by Gwyneth Paltrow I posted. She says come Avengers 4 her and Tony's relationship will have evolved to where they're married and have a child and was comparing how their relationship evolved over the decade. That's why I was doing math, LOL! To guess what kind of time frame this means.

 

[wampa1]

You have to assume that if there is a jump of a few years between IW and A4, it will be undone. Either that or we get a Spider-Man sequel set 4-5 years after Homecoming (unless they set it before IW which would be odd, or between IW and A4 which would be odder).

 

[Spider-Fan]

You have to assume that if there is a jump of a few years between IW and A4, it will be undone. Either that or we get a Spider-Man sequel set 4-5 years after Homecoming (unless they set it before IW which would be odd, or between IW and A4 which would be odder).

I agree. This also sort of makes me think Tony is even more of a dead man, LOL!!!!

 

[DyeLorean]

When I saw the movie for the first time I thought the conversation Tony had with Pepper at the beginning of Infinity War was foreshadowing. Of all the things they could be talking about, they choose that subject in particular. I think is gonna come back around somehow.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I agree. This also sort of makes me think Tony is even more of a dead man, LOL!!!!

I spoiler tagged it in that thread. Click to see how I see that playing out for "Future Tony".

 

[Web-Head]

I've always said that it's a mistake to nail down specific time range/dates in these movies.

Vision doesn't have to say "in the 8 years since Tony announced himself", he could have just left that ambiguous and said "in the years since Tony announced himself". Homecoming didn't have to open and say "8 years later", it could have just said "several years later" or something like that. You get my point. Once you start getting specific, problems can and will arise and you get tangled in trying to make everything fit together when, if you had left it ambiguous, it wouldn't have been a problem.

"Several years later" "Present day" etc, all probably should have been used instead.

I still don't know how anyone didn't catch the "8 years later" in Homecoming. Avengers was released in 2012 and Homecoming was 2017...uhh yeah 8 years is a good number!

 

[Web-Head]

You have to assume that if there is a jump of a few years between IW and A4, it will be undone. Either that or we get a Spider-Man sequel set 4-5 years after Homecoming (unless they set it before IW which would be odd, or between IW and A4 which would be odder).

I think Feige has said the Homecoming sequel will take place minutes after Avengers 4. Maybe no more high school Spidey? I can't see that though but if he's already 17 in Infinity War...

When I saw the movie for the first time I thought the conversation Tony had with Pepper at the beginning of Infinity War was foreshadowing. Of all the things they could be talking about, they choose that subject in particular. I think is gonna come back around somehow.

I did too but I'm really hoping he and Pepper get to ride off into the sunset at the end of Avengers 4

 

[Flint Marko]

Yeah, on the previous page, read that quote by Gwyneth Paltrow I posted. She says come Avengers 4 her and Tony's relationship will have evolved to where they're married and have a child and was comparing how their relationship evolved over the decade. That's why I was doing math, LOL! To guess what kind of time frame this means.

Whoa... I didn't know that. I really thought Avengers 4 would just pick up right where the last movie left off. Weird!

"Several years later" "Present day" etc, all probably should have been used instead.

I still don't know how anyone didn't catch the "8 years later" in Homecoming. Avengers was released in 2012 and Homecoming was 2017...uhh yeah 8 years is a good number!

I read that they were basically trying to get it so their timeline could account for having Spider-man's trilogy, which would be separated in our world by several years, take place three years in a row in Marvel time if that makes sense.

Still... avoid specifics, guys. You'll avoid all these headaches.

 

[Web-Head]

I read that they were basically trying to get it so their timeline could account for having Spider-man's trilogy, which would be separated in our world by several years, take place three years in a row in Marvel time if that makes sense.

Still... avoid specifics, guys. You'll avoid all these headaches.

It's not a big deal to me. I don't really need to go deep into the chronological time line of it all. I can just enjoy the movies and realize that Homecoming takes place after Civil War, etc.

 

[Flemm]

I like the idea of the time jump because that would allow us to see the consequences of Thanos' actions in this movie, particularly the heroes dealing with the reality that the Avengers failed to stop him.

They will find a way to win in the end, of course, but that victory will mean more if we see the opposite scenario.

 

[Flint Marko]

It's not a big deal to me. I don't really need to go deep into the chronological time line of it all. I can just enjoy the movies and realize that Homecoming takes place after Civil War, etc.

Yeah I'm the same way. The timeline is inconsistent, but the movies are good so..... who cares

 

[javonstokess]

I don't know how anyone isn't comfortable with timelines not lining up if you've been reading comics for the last 50 years or so.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I just had a thought: wasn't there a casting call out for a 16 year old Cassie (Scott's daughter)? Maybe it will jump a good 10 years into the future, then.

 

[javonstokess]

Just because I'm bored, let's lean into this "Time jump". So, half the people in existence are gone for, say, 10 years. You can have:
-Stark & Pepper happily married with a kid.
-Ant-Man's daughter is now the crime fighter Stature, helping her father (due to Wasp being "dusted").
-Banner & Natasha finally run off together.
-Cap is now PRESIDENT and, with Rhodey as his VP, has established world peace.
-Thor is in self-exile due to his inability to stop Thanos and save his people.
-Rocket and Nebula are the universes best thieves.
-Shuri, now the Black Panther, rules with Wakanda w/Okoyo still her loyal general.

The conceit is that they have to sacrifice this "new" life, retrieve the gauntlet and reverse the last 10 years to bring back half the universe. Stark has to sacrifice his kid, Cap world peace, etc to make things "right". A4 would end with the Avengers returning to the point immediately after the snap, but before Thanos dips out. Somehow Cap is able to get the gauntlet and reverses the deaths, but dies as a result of using the gauntlet.

Something like that.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am leaning hard now on the idea that the Gauntlet frizzed out as being part of the time travel shenanigans.

 

[RoastBeast]

I am leaning hard now on the idea that the Gauntlet frizzed out as being part of the time travel shenanigans.

Yep- this was the one way- he had to use it and have it short so that he can't mess around with what they are messing around with, and past tense, messed around with. I think.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Those MCU timeline discrepancies?

#IblameThanos

 

[legendkillin]

Those MCU timeline discrepancies?

#IblameThanos

Feige has already said they will come out with an official timeline at some point. Hopefully that will clear things up, they admitted HC made an error in the 8 years thing.

 

[legendkillin]

Whoa... I didn't know that. I really thought Avengers 4 would just pick up right where the last movie left off. Weird!

I think it can start off in the future, but I am hoping if they mess with time that they end where IWs ended.

 

[Darkness Falls]

Back from my 7th viewing. Couple of things.

How does Thor know that the Time Stone is on Earth and is safe with the Avengers?

Dr strange probably told him he had it

 

[JtheDreamer]

Finally got my second viewing in last night.

You know who continues to stand out and I wanted so much more of? Ebony Maw. I could listen to him speak for an entire film. It's too bad he had to be off'd so quickly. Peter Parker's "Aliens" tactic was both hilarious and well thought out and the kind of thing I wanted to see out the Avengers when battling someone who in theory should outclass most of them.

Ultimately Maw, Strange, Thor are best in class. I should also acknowledge the step up characters like Star Lord and Gamora took. The Russos gave them some meaty material to work with. IMAX 3D remains glorious for this one, albeit the Russo's camera work was a bit boring. Can't forget the jokes hit better this time around for some reason - especially Thor meeting the Guardians. Originally I found that scene a little too improv'd.

My remaining qualms:

Wakanda

The fight scenes are rather bland. I must admit it takes one hell of a writer and fight coordinator to put together coherent battles for these powered up heroes, but I found what I saw to be somewhat unimaginative and cut away too quickly. Where was a scene with the heroes unveiling their battle plan? Where was the strategy? I mean two of the best at it are out there with BP and Cap. Then when Thanos arrives we get the showdown in some obscure bushes?

Wakanda itself serves as more of a forced set piece for another one of Marvel's 3rd acts, which leaves BP and his fellow country persons feeling like cameos. More should have been done to explain/portray the decision to provide sanctuary knowing what inevitably was going to follow. We didn't even get the famous panel of BP taking on Black Dwarf.

Thanos

On a surface level the movie works if you're fine with the lip service paid regarding Thanos and his supposed "love" of Gamora. I feel that the moment wasn't earned only serving as a pseudo plot twist and to allow him to acquire the soul stone. Because I've seen prior MCU films - that dynamic doesn't feel natural to me therefore less impact. We're talking about someone who made his daughters fight each other.

Eitri

He was brutally bad. I don't know what Dinklage was trying to do with his accent. It felt like he was mockingly playing the role.

Civil War

Marvel spent an entire film setting up the fraction and the Accords. Then in this film its impact is nigh minimal. Rhodes disobeys orders in 2.5 seconds. BP and Wakanda ignored them completely - even though he signed. Tony gives Banner just some vague acknowledgement that he and Cap aren't on speaking terms.

All that's left now is the Cap/Tony arc, which obviously gets squashed in A4. Perhaps the accords play more of a role in that film, I just doubt it. If anything it's about to get even more cosmic.

Other

Not having the opening fight on the Asgardian ship is still a huge missed opportunity to me considering all the players involved. They deserved a bit more respect. I mean think about it - Korg, Valkyrie, etc were all major players in Ragnarok then suddenly no mention? Nothing? The whole Asgardian ship was a direct continuation from Ragnarok so to gloss over it feels wrong.

The film also repeats a lot of themes/narratives - sacrifice being one. Vision wants to sacrifice himself, as does Gamora. Conversely Thanos is willing to sacrifice Gamora for a stone. I would have preferred one major sacrifice that turned the tide of the film.

Power levels are still all over the map. The Black Order in particular suffers from this to the point where my suspension of disbelief lapsed. I never thought I'd say this, but I think maybe this movie tipped too far into focusing on Thanos. I'm assuming the heroes will receive more of the focus in part 2.

Summary

At this time I still can't seem to rate it over an 8. It's big. It's fun. It's the MCU on the largest stage. Because of the sheer size a tremendous amount of the film is very surface level, which prevented me from being more engaged. I typically get the response "well the movie SAID this or the movie SAID that". It's exposition overload, but it's an inevitability I guess for a film this size. I often wonder how I'd feel about this movie if I had never seen any of the others.

 

[honestbharani]

I often wonder how I'd feel about this movie if I had never seen any of the others.

Went with a group of friends.. 10 of us in total. 4 have never seen more than 2 MCU films (the Avengers) and 2 of us have seen every movie and remaining 4 were MCU virgins. Those 8 had a great time, they could pick who the characters were or at least get enough of an understanding to follow the story and were all overawed by the climax. I suppose the engagement and entertainment factors go up exponentially if you have seen the other MCU movies but this is a pretty decent one to watch on its own as well, I feel, simply because the pace, the tone and of course the ending makes it an unique experience anyways.

 

[Flemm]

It reminds me quite a bit of the Lord of the Rings movies, really.

A grand epic, with many characters getting swept up in the action. Gorgeous visuals. But it can feel a little superficial and rushed in places because of the scale.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Feige already said there will NOT be time travel in Avengers 4. So if they are bringing people back, its either alternate timeline they jump into, or they go into or BEYOND the soul realm in the soul stone.

Nah.