Avengers the Initiative

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So i know its a stupid question, and I'm in the wrong thread to ask it, but forgive me. Is stark running the avengers too?
 
I really shouldn't even bother. I'm already rather tired of going circles and circles with Brian Willy.

But it's one thing you said that I just can't let go right away. Me being biased.

While it IS a technicality, it's something that must be said, though it won't change much. I never said I was unbiased as a person. Not once do I put myself as some form of superhuman, and say I operate without bias period, the end. I've even admitted to being biased about certain subjects that I usually just joke around about.

However, that's why it's a technicality, because it holds no bearing on how I argue/debate. When I argue/debate, I forgo bias.

MY bias is anti-registration. You made the remark that from day one, I shot for the SHRA, when in truth, I did not. Like the Americans I've come to being associated with where I am, I shot from the hip, and defended the anti side right off the bat without much thought to it. Though I still find one very good reason I won't overlook to move to the SHRA side.

However, logic sings a far different song. This is where you and I and this whole, "You don't get it" "You're irrational" "You're not thinking logically" comes into play. Logic doesn't care one way or the other about anything other than the question you're asking it.

For example. If I were to logically ask, "I'm undergoing sexual frustration at least twice a week, how could I stop it with a bullet?" Logic will immediately say, "Shoot yourself." That's it's primary answer. To assume things work in their primary function since I gave no specification, and only have supplementary answers. So if I were to ask, "Which is better at defending human life, the old way, or the new way?" It will answer, "The new way." Logic "loves" (oxymoron, logic doesn't care) systems and organization. Things can be so far more accomplished with extreme amounts of ease through those, than just going with the "direct" method of random chance that the old way represented. Ever wondered why they picked Stamford, Connecticut, and the only heros there were the New Warriors who'd been tipped off to villans being there in the first place? That's why. Villans can be ANYWHERE, and heros are sparse. The SHRA gives to the idea of spreading a powerful net everywhere, with available resources to better combat this sort of thing. In that case, logic wouldn't (though it doesn't anyway) think twice, and say, "SHRA would be the better choice."

If I were to ask logic, "What would be the death toll, for heros and humans, with the SHRA?" It would say, "Less than before." If I said, "Would it eliminate them altogether?" (if it were a human) "No, apparently you don't grasp humans as a whole, they're prone to lying and mistakes, eliminating that would be eliminating individuality, which is impossible." (If it were just basic everyday logic) "No."

So back to the concern at hand. I do not operate in bias normally, I normally bite my tongue, swallow my pride, and make decisions I don't always agree with, because they tend to yield more positive results. Like working with a partner at school. Sure, the guy may be a womanizer and beats his girlfriends and with his money, gets out of trouble, but he's also one of the smartest people in class, and in order to actually get my solvent to work, I need his help, so I can get my fuel rod to work. If I operated in bias, I would never complete my fuel rod, and in turn, may never invent a power source capable of replacing our current ones someday. If I operate in logic, I do it, get through it, eventually not deal with him ever again, and go on to bigger and better things. To think that I alone with bias have the best answer is horrible. That's easily on par with my father, though for all his genius and intuition about things, considers normal everyday humans to be sub human, and just filth to be dealt with as cogs to his machine. I forgo it. I will say and do things normally against my fiber (and believe me, I have an extreme intolerance personally about many things), if it yields better results that don't initially irrevocably betray the original process in turn, negating the results I desire. (i.e., I want a better world for humans, so I kill all humans who disagree with each other, because disagreeing causes conflict.)

I don't HAVE to use bias to build my arguments. I learned long ago how to control that. Hell, the vast majority of arguments I argue around here are things I don't agree with. Is it bad? No. You'll view it as bad, but it's not. In turn, I picked up extreme observation and logic pattern thinking as a substitute, which unfortunately, means I'm not so human friendly. And this is where you and I ALWAYS come to disagreements. Logic cares not for human life, where you care about each and every little single individual. Logic will take acceptable loss to build a better future, where you will hold something to stagnatation until another solution comes along. The human race is about progression, and logic is what taught humans to fly, it's what taught them to get into space. Risk, thinking, consideration to factors. Not just where they get on one block, and all of the sudden, "**** this. Stop stop stop. We can't go any further until we develop ideas we can't possibly have until we actually try to fly this thing." Humans are anything BUT logical creatures, but it's not something they're absolutely stuck with. Hell, entire governmental teaching systems tend to be illogical (America and Spain to name a couple, though France isn't some big shot in it either.)

So the answer is no, I'm not biased when it comes to progressive thought. Bias hardly has a history of solving things for the better. And every once in the while, bias and logic agree, it's just not that often.

Bias births wars like the American war in Iraq. Bias births immediate conflict. Bias kills, and bias lies.

So once more, no. I don't need bias to argue, I don't even WANT it for that purpose. Bias only comes into my life when I deal with my own family, that's it for the most part. You can tell it's bias, when I'd rather watch the world burn down around me, than be a "complete" family with them. View me how you like, I really don't care, but if you view me as being someone who can't forgo bias in such petty little things as this, then don't expect me to think of you as someone who has the powers of observation at their command.
 
I know its off topic, and kind of odd, but what country are you from? I'm asking this out of curiosity and nothing else i promise.
Also you make a very good case with your last post.
 
Mistress, I know nothing about you and often disagree with your arguments but still you're one of the few people on these boards that I actually and consistently find interesting.

LoL keep up the good work i suppose.
 
You know, it did seem a tad akward, but I don't think it's a PC thing. It could have been Slott's way of integrating aspects of the MU into real world situations and having HYDRA, true to form, trying to take advantage of something like the situation in Iraq.


If "you" felt awkward, it was forced. It kinda goes along with what I've been seeing lately in western media. I think Marvel was afraid of upsetting Muslims. Look at that cartoon backlash last year. European schools are taking the Holocaust and the Crusades out of history books. Why? So they won't upset Muslim children!

Heck....in Jersey, a school had a mock terrorist drill. School officials said they wanted it to be as "realistic" a scenario as possible. So with that in mind, did they choose Islamic extremists like the ones that took the school in Russia?? The ones that tortured and even shot little children in cold blood? Nope. Their "realistic" terrorists were Christians fundementalists. :whatever: Yep....I see them doing stuff like this all the time on TV. :up:

With that in mind I just shook my head and laughed, at page 2.
 
pfft, you can't win. You use real terrorist groups, then you got people whining about bringing real world politics and crap into comics, you use one of the many made up terrorist groups in the MU, you get people whining about being afraid to keep it real. In the end, you just gotta do what you feel is right and tell whoever disagrees to go f**k themselves. No offense CD.
 
I know its off topic, and kind of odd, but what country are you from? I'm asking this out of curiosity and nothing else i promise.
Also you make a very good case with your last post.


Mistress is from France I believe.
 
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That would be funny, if Pym had actually ever beaten his wife.
 
Yeah, him being crazy at the time, it doesn't really count.
 
A mentally insane Hank Pym slapping his wife once and only once. Trust me dude that is not a wife beater, Ive seen wife beaters, and that aint it. Hitting somebody once is alot different then beating them up.
 
A mentally insane Hank Pym slapping his wife once and only once. Trust me dude that is not a wife beater, Ive seen wife beaters, and that aint it.

Can't you just go along with the damn Pym beating his wife joke dammit :cmad:
 
That would be funny, if Pym had actually ever beaten his wife.
Yeah, him being crazy at the time, it doesn't really count.
A mentally insane Hank Pym slapping his wife once and only once. Trust me dude that is not a wife beater, Ive seen wife beaters, and that aint it. Hitting somebody once is alot different then beating them up.
It does my heart good to see others taking up the cause. :up:
 
He left his wife with a black eye. He was habitually belittling and disrespecting her before that. Maybe he's not an abuser in the strictest sense, but it's still up there on the list of shttiest things anyone could ever do. It's hardly surprising that it's become the punchline of the character.

I thought it was hilarious how Janet's worst fear, as shown to her by Doc Strange, turned out to be Hank.
 
If "you" felt awkward, it was forced. It kinda goes along with what I've been seeing lately in western media. I think Marvel was afraid of upsetting Muslims. Look at that cartoon backlash last year.

I doubt it's that at all. I think it's just a case of intergrating aspects of the MU into real life events. If an organization like HYDRA existed, they'd be taking advantage of the situation in Iraq just as Al Quaeda are.

European schools are taking the Holocaust and the Crusades out of history books. Why? So they won't upset Muslim children!

Why would the holocaust and the crusades upset Muslims any more than they do other people?

Heck....in Jersey, a school had a mock terrorist drill. School officials said they wanted it to be as "realistic" a scenario as possible. So with that in mind, did they choose Islamic extremists like the ones that took the school in Russia?? The ones that tortured and even shot little children in cold blood? Nope. Their "realistic" terrorists were Christians fundementalists. :whatever: Yep....I see them doing stuff like this all the time on TV. :up:

You ever hear of the Army of God? U.S. based Christian terrorists. Have taken hostages and bombed abortion clinics and gay bars in the past. The also bombed the 1996 summer Olympics, wounding 111 people and killing two others. No reason to think that they wouldn't atack a school that they felt was being "sinful."
 
The fact that the image was released without comment really does suggest we're just sposed to assume either devilishly clever survival, or another death to keep moral low in both the camp and the MU in general.

I'm thinking instant shrinkage to avoid most of the blast and debris, or somehow transporting himself to the dimension his mass gets shunted to and pulled from. The caption suggesting a funeral for him suggests either a really quick arrangement of a funeral and he walks in during or something, or he's purposefully disappeared making it look like he died in order to dig up something, like a mole in the camp, or some conspiracy involving Gyrich or someone - could be good and could finally be the moment for Pym to shine without the baggage of hitting Jan being his defining moment and that which he is forever judged (note we dont pin Spidey as a wife beater after he belted MJ when he found out he was the clone - both were'nt in their right minds at the time due to shock or breakdown, but there ya go)
 
I doubt it's that at all. I think it's just a case of intergrating aspects of the MU into real life events. If an organization like HYDRA existed, they'd be taking advantage of the situation in Iraq just as Al Quaeda are.

Dude...now you're back peddling. You thought that was out of place just like I did. Why not use Al Quaida?? They are the bad guys right? They are on the news every day. I'll tell you why... They didn't want to upset the Muslim community. But it's okay to offend the Christians??



Why would the holocaust and the crusades upset Muslims any more than they do other people?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/02/nschools02.xml
You tell me........:dry:

You ever hear of the Army of God? U.S. based Christian terrorists. Have taken hostages and bombed abortion clinics and gay bars in the past. The also bombed the 1996 summer Olympics, wounding 111 people and killing two others. No reason to think that they wouldn't atack a school that they felt was being "sinful."


11 years ago??? Have they or anybody like them been in the news repeatedly lately?? No. And what is our biggest threat right now on the terrorism front?? You know the answer. It sure ain't Christians terrorists. If they wanted a "realistic" scenario, why not give the one that we are facing right now??

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264327,00.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/205000/mock_terrorist_drill_at_new_jersey.html



So I think Marvel is just following suit. Going out of their way not to offend. Why would it have been offensive if they had chosen an Al Quaida suicide bomber? Don't Muslims say those don't represent us? Don't they perceive them as evil too? HYDRA ??
 
And Christ those two are getting boring... other than the word HYDRA, there's nothing about the comic in their last eighteen or something posts. Definitely getting close to community section conversation there.
 
Christ, you're dense, Memphis.

That the best you can contribute? "I'm dense?"
How are my comments dense? Are they untrue? I posted news articles showing that they are indeed taking major historical accounts out of schools to not "offend" these people.

The obvious threats in IRAQ are over-looked or substituted for something fictional in an Avengers story. Isn't that true too?

How is it dense?
 
I know its off topic, and kind of odd, but what country are you from? I'm asking this out of curiosity and nothing else i promise.
Also you make a very good case with your last post.

I'm from France, the country where families argue as a hobby, and we look down on tourists. And eat snails, which sounds pretty good right now. Especially with some butter. Mmmmm....
 
If "you" felt awkward, it was forced. It kinda goes along with what I've been seeing lately in western media. I think Marvel was afraid of upsetting Muslims. Look at that cartoon backlash last year. European schools are taking the Holocaust and the Crusades out of history books. Why? So they won't upset Muslim children!

Heck....in Jersey, a school had a mock terrorist drill. School officials said they wanted it to be as "realistic" a scenario as possible. So with that in mind, did they choose Islamic extremists like the ones that took the school in Russia?? The ones that tortured and even shot little children in cold blood? Nope. Their "realistic" terrorists were Christians fundementalists. :whatever: Yep....I see them doing stuff like this all the time on TV. :up:

With that in mind I just shook my head and laughed, at page 2.
Hell, in Oklahoma, we had a school system remove "To Kill a Mocking Bird" from the shelves because people were offended that it containted the n-word. Despited the fact that in the context of the story it was used by a bigot and the father was explaining to his children why it was a bad word.
 

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