Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event

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Stop focusing on hero vs hero...bring back the villains

You mean the same villains that have been beaten over and over? I mean yeah, this event could flop like a lot of other Marvel events but it seems like this event might actually be decent. I might just be bias cause I'm a huge X-Men fan but I'd much rather see this than them fighting Magneto or Dr Doom or whoever else right now. I'll wait before I judge this though which I haven't done for since Secret Invasion which was the last event I actually looked forward to but that let me down.
 
You mean the same villains that have been beaten over and over? I mean yeah, this event could flop like a lot of other Marvel events but it seems like this event might actually be decent. I might just be bias cause I'm a huge X-Men fan but I'd much rather see this than them fighting Magneto or Dr Doom or whoever else right now. I'll wait before I judge this though which I haven't done for since Secret Invasion which was the last event I actually looked forward to but that let me down.
This. I actually think this crossover shows more proise than recent ones like Fear Itself and Siege. Plus the Avengers have never gone up against the Phoenix Force. That itself is a new foe for them.
 
When are you people gonna learn that optimizim is for stupid people? :o
 
Didn't cyclops already die and come back when he merged with apocalypse?
 
After looking at the recent FF you do have to wonder why not just rebuild the mega cosmic being killing gun, shoot fire bird, drink margarita at the beach. It is good the FF aren't involved in this cause if they were well they do cosmic stuff better than the Avengers or X-Men put together.
 
"this story is gonna be new and interesting"
oh look some is gonna die...Marvel's never done that in an event....I predict the media will spoil this death on the Monday before the comic comes out.
 
Not like it matters. They'll be back from the dead in a few months to years anyway. :o
 
Oh look Bucky Cap died....nah he's fine
 
If Scott starts acting like he used to as opposed to the d-bag he is now, that means Marvel is going to kill him.
 
After looking at the recent FF you do have to wonder why not just rebuild the mega cosmic being killing gun, shoot fire bird, drink margarita at the beach. It is good the FF aren't involved in this cause if they were well they do cosmic stuff better than the Avengers or X-Men put together.
I really wish it actually made sense for Thor to smash the Phoenix in the face with his hammer. I know it doesn't, but that would just be so satisfying. It'd be like my love of all things Thor and my disgust with all things Phoenix made manifest right there on the page.
 
I'd buy it just for that.


Well, probably not.

Still would be awesome though.
 
Its stupid that they've had what like 6-7 years to unify the Phoenix Force, yet they never got around to finishing that story so its still fragmented across the universe. Even if they defeat this one, there's still tons of them out there so it will be pointless. Its gonna keep coming back
 
I searched, and discovered none of the comic stores in my area are having a launch party. While I have mixed feelings about companywide events, I have become more excited about this event, after reading excerpts and interviews. However, I am concerned about Bendis' move to the X titles, as I love Wolverine and the Xmen, and would hate to see a radical change thrust upon it.
 
I hate Marvels insistence to change up the status quo almost every year. You barely get used to the new one before they release info of doing it all over again
 
Has it ever been officially confirmed that Bendis is taking over X-Men?
 
Eh, I don't know. Keeps things interesting.

I disagree. Setting a status quo and letting it play through and evolve into the next thing is interesting. Setting a new status quo and then shaking it up again and then again and then again gets old and stale. The X-Men have had, what, 6 or 7 status quos in 10 years? There's no stability to the title.

From 2000 we had the Revolution status quo with Claremont and the Neo and I think that was the first real status quo change since Jim Lee's X-Men #1. A year or two later came Morrison and the movie inspired New X-Men status quo began. When he left they revamped for the Reloaded status quo once again led by Claremont. Then came the House of M and the Decimation status quo. Here's where it starts getting machine gun fast. After the stale Decimation era came the Messiah Complex status quo that saw a disbanding of the X-line but that lasted only six months or so and we got the Manifest Destiny status quo which lasted an arc or two and then rolled into the Utopia status quo. That lasted longer until Hope showed up in Second Coming and we got the Heroic Age status quo and that quickly shuffled off into the now Schism status quo,which is leading into AvsX in less than a year promising a new status quo when that finishes up in six months.

So we had 100 issues of X-Men during the last long-lasting status quo (7 years worth give or take, I'm too tired to check) and then in the following 12 years we've had 9 status quos. THIS is a large part of why the X-Men have sucked so bad over the past decade. Each status quo has some good that comes with it but almost none of it plays out how it should and almost none of it reaches the potential it could. Plus, during the 90's while we had quite a few X-titles they all had their own identity and only 2 of the were actual X-Men books (not including Unlimited, which was an anthology for the whole line). In the past decade we've had four X-Men titles ongoing plus all those other X-titles, all of them but X-Factor being X-Men titles with a nostalgic title. The New Mutants are X-Men the same as the rest, as are X-Force. The student books are fairly separate but once Academy X became New X-Men it was just a team of young X-Men alongside the other X-Men and Generation Hope was just the same. It's all X-Men and every status quo change shifts the entire line and nothing can last longterm. Constant status quo changes in all of those books is exhausting.

So yeah, I don't think the constant change in status quo is interesting in the slightest. At least not where the X-Men are concerned.
 
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I was just thinking about The Neo the other day, I wonder whatever happened to them? Must have faded off into limbo. Claremont's second run was pretty bad.
 
I actually really liked the Neo for some reason, Domina specifically. After they agreed to follow Magneto we were led to believe they died in the Genosha Massacre. They kinda showed up in the last page of Young X-Men but it was wierd because a lot of those members were already dead. Then another branch of the Neo showed up in adjectiveless X-Men before the Evolutionaries destroied the entire Neo race planet-wide. So they're definately dead now.
 
I was just thinking about The Neo the other day, I wonder whatever happened to them? Must have faded off into limbo. Claremont's second run was pretty bad.
Lobdell killed them off in the second issue after CC left, Xmen 110. A new group of them appeared in Xmen Giant Size last year only to be killed off and erradicated by the High Evolutionary in that same issue
 
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They had the classic Claremont murky and mysterious background and he pushed them like they were a major threat the X-Men couldn't handle. When Magneto handled them easily in a fight and forced them to join him it reeked of desperation and felt very forced.
 
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