Avengers vs. X-Men: 2012 Event

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He didnt force them to join him; he killed them all off, except for Domina. I beleive that was her final issue. She's presumed dead following the Cassandra Nova sentinel attack but thats unconfirmed. I guess she could pop up in the future. I always thought Carey's Children of the Vault were very Neo-ish. The two groups could easily be tied to each other
 
I hate Marvels insistence to change up the status quo almost every year. You barely get used to the new one before they release info of doing it all over again

The status quo rarely changes. Marvel just trick people into thinking it does.
 
The status quo rarely changes. Marvel just trick people into thinking it does.
As highlighted in JewishHobbit's post, the status quo of the X-men has changed several times over the last decade. There's really no denying that.
 
I don't think so. Not since House of M really. Actually I guess you could say Morrison's New X-Men too. Apart from that they've just changed locations/bases, characters. Just superficial things really.
 
I don't think so. Not since House of M really. Actually I guess you could say Morrison's New X-Men too. Apart from that they've just changed locations/bases, characters. Just superficial things really.
Going from Westchester to San Francisco to Utopia and the recent Schism was hardly superficial. Maybe SF to Utopia on the surface but overall the X-line has changed quite a bit since HoM
 
Going from Westchester to San Francisco to Utopia and the recent Schism was hardly superficial. Maybe SF to Utopia on the surface but overall the X-line has changed quite a bit since HoM

Having Magneto, Sub-Mariner and a Juggernaut Colossus anchor an X-Men team is as radical of a change as it gets from the "good old days" and I love it!

This whole Avengers VS X-Men concept with Phoenix at the heart of the matter has me more excited then any other event in the past ten years. Tip of my cap to Marvel.
 
I really hate that they modeled Hawkeye after the movie version of Hawkeye. I know it's for promotion and everything, but I really think the movies and comics should be separate entities regardless if it's good or not.

Like, I love Hugh Jackman's Wolverine, but I don't want the comic Wolverin modeled after him.
 
So we're going to take Hope from the X-Men because she's going to be too powerful but Franklin Richards is ok cause he's with Reed?


Even I can't justify this.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

Isn't the issue that she's going to be possessed by The Pheonix, an entity with a history of committing genocide when it has a human host?
 
Isn't the issue that she's going to be possessed by The Pheonix, an entity with a history of committing genocide when it has a human host?

no one seemed to care when Rachel had it
 
Franklin nearly blew out every brain in the solar system!

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Seems pretty arbitrary to me. Reed nursed Galactus back to health and stood trial for it in the Shi-ar Empire.


Sue should be camped out next to Hope waiting for someone to **** with her.


:ff: :ff: :ff:
 
She still might. That'd be pretty in character for her.
 
Wolverine stabbed her in the chest because she was gonna kill Selene
Like I said he stabbed her to stop her from killing. The PF isnt inherently bad but when you mix it with rage, vengeance and a thirst for blood, thats when theres a sign of trouble. Rachel got the PF in UXM 199 and no one found out til UXM 202, when she acted all crazed and told Rogue she was going to kill the Beyonder. The X-men were alarmed and questioend if she would suffer the same fate as her mother. She stole a portion of their life force while they were sleeping and against Storm's will and proceeded to go to space to kill. Ultimately they were able to talk her down and she seemed in check of the PF and her newfound powers for a few issues. In UXM 207, she went after Selene and Logan tried to talk her down and it didnt work. She told him that "Phoenix makes her own (rules).....and the only way to stop me, Logan, is to kill me" and thats just what he proceeded to try to do bc she was showing signs of getting out of control, similarly to Dark Phoenix. Trying to kill the Beyonder and Selene was just the beginning and there was concern that if she wasnt controlled and contained from the beginning, that she'd eventualy go on a murdering rampage fueled by the PF's power and emotions.

Just read the final issue of X-Sanction and [blackout]Cable is healed and ALIVE! [/blackout]That makes me one happy fan :D
 
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Anyone else getting curious about what the connection between Iron Fist and the Phoenix will be? I find myself wondering about it more and more. I really hope they don't just s*** all over Iron Fist's established origin and claim that his chi is really the Phoenix Force or something...
 
Just read the final issue of X-Sanction and [blackout]Cable is healed and ALIVE! [/blackout]That makes me one happy fan :D

I'm just glad they
finally got rid of the techno organic virus
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I gotta say, I just finished reading all of Avengers Children's Crusade and it actually made me quite interested in this AvX thing. I was indifferent before but now I'm very curious. However, I'm very worried about Cyclops and whats happening to him. He's gotten so damn dark and brooding and unforgiving. I was loving what Whedon had done with him making him more assertive and badass but ever since Messiah Complex he's been spiraling downward. Magneto's even pointed it out several times that Cyclops is becoming what he used to be. I wonder if they're purposely, gradually turning Scott into a supervillain?
 
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I gotta say, I just finished reading all of Avengers Children's Crusade and it actually made me quite interested in this AvX thing. I was indifferent before but now I'm very curious. However, I'm very worried about Cyclops and whats happening to him. He's gotten so damn dark and brooding and unforgiving. I was loving what Whedon had done with him making him more assertive and badass but ever since Messiah Complex he's been spiraling downward. Magneto's even pointed it out several times that Cyclops is becoming what he used to be. I wonder if they're purposely, gradually turning Scott into a supervillain?
really he hasnt, at least not since Schism. Heck the efforts to gradually stop writing him as dark and shady started back after Second Coming. As for Children's Crusade, I cant say he was wrong. Scarlet Witch DID end up killing tons of mutants with her actions. Crazy or not, people suffered and what she did amounts to genocide. You say he's been spiraling since MC, but he is the way he is bc of SW. M-day, formation of Utopia, X-force, becoming the unofficial mutant ambassador ALL tie back to what she did. People want her dead and for good reason. Considering the position he is in, I dont think he can stand by and not do anything about her. Those ex-mutants want justice and they are looking at him to seek it. I think he was justified in wanting to take her back with the X-men and I think he'd lock her up in the X-Brig while they assess the situation. If someone were to wipe out hundreds of people of a particular race, wouldnt people be calling for death penalty of that person or at least a life sentence? To me, its no different
 
Just read the final issue of X-Sanction and [blackout]Cable is healed and ALIVE! [/blackout]That makes me one happy fan :D

Which means he'll definitely pop up in AvX at some point, likely towards the end.
 
really he hasnt, at least not since Schism. Heck the efforts to gradually stop writing him as dark and shady started back after Second Coming. As for Children's Crusade, I cant say he was wrong. Scarlet Witch DID end up killing tons of mutants with her actions. Crazy or not, people suffered and what she did amounts to genocide. You say he's been spiraling since MC, but he is the way he is bc of SW. M-day, formation of Utopia, X-force, becoming the unofficial mutant ambassador ALL tie back to what she did. People want her dead and for good reason. Considering the position he is in, I dont think he can stand by and not do anything about her. Those ex-mutants want justice and they are looking at him to seek it. I think he was justified in wanting to take her back with the X-men and I think he'd lock her up in the X-Brig while they assess the situation. If someone were to wipe out hundreds of people of a particular race, wouldnt people be calling for death penalty of that person or at least a life sentence? To me, its no different

That's a very good point. I think because of the way Children's Crusade was written, we got her side of the story and it really made us sympathize with her and it made everyone else seem like heartless ***holes. But you're right, the bottom line is she practically committed genocide and there needs to be serious consequences.

Also, I had forgotten about Schism for a second there. He was actually written very well in that story (i definitely sided with him over wolverine in that story). But still, I worry that in AvX, Scott will be the "antagonist" ala Tony Stark in Civil War if you know what I mean.
 
That's a very good point. I think because of the way Children's Crusade was written, we got her side of the story and it really made us sympathize with her and it made everyone else seem like heartless ***holes. But you're right, the bottom line is she practically committed genocide and there needs to be serious consequences.

Also, I had forgotten about Schism for a second there. He was actually written very well in that story (i definitely sided with him over wolverine in that story). But still, I worry that in AvX, Scott will be the "antagonist" ala Tony Stark in Civil War if you know what I mean.
I definetly see what yopu mean and with the Avengers movie coming out, Im afraid the X-men will be thrown under the bus to prop up the Avengers characters. I hope that isnt the case and that its written a bit more fair without making one side "bad" while the other is good by default
 
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Eh, the X-Men have gotten more than their fair share of stuff thrown in their favor due to mainstream popularity. Wouldn't bother me to see the Avengers get a bit this time around.
 
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