Comics Back In Black Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Well I just think Stan Lee's run flowed a lot better than ASM these days were everything is divided up into an arc.

GLACIERS flow better than JMS' Amazing.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

MJ just said that to try to get rid of the guy as quickly as possible... she didn't want him there at that time, with Peter hiding in the shadows.

Kinda like telling a girlscout you're diabetic when you've actually eaten 10 boxes of cookies and just don't want to be bothered anymore...

The more I think about it... and it has been lingering in my mind... the more I like SSM #40. I think this writer save the best for last.

To play devil's advocate... they aren't the praying type. Outside of celebrating Christmas, the odd funeral scene and when you need to get rid of a pesky symbiote I've never seen Pete at a church. However he does seem very spiritual and has on a couple occasions transcended the living plane seeing the world of the dead, such as in 'Soul of the Hunter' and in 'Web of Death' when he was dying and Doc Ock saved him. Religion's always been a touchy subject in the MU, and while Pete may believe in A God (not necessarily the traditional Judeo-Christian God), I don't think MJ's comments were deceptive.

Now, Matt Murdock on the other hand...


After writing all that I wll concede that Pete has succumbed to the occasional "no athiest in a foxhole" urge. When things are desperately bad for him (like now) I have heard him say "Please God... let me get through this..." Whether he's consciously pleading to a higher power or merely using a now-conventional figure of speech is another matter altogether.

Wow. I didn't mean to get that deep and theological. I really need to get some sleep.

 

[Dangerous]

GLACIERS flow better than JMS' Amazing.

Hheheehheh.

To play devil's advocate... they aren't the praying type. Outside of celebrating Christmas, the odd funeral scene and when you need to get rid of a pesky symbiote I've never seen Pete at a church. However he does seem very spiritual and has on a couple occasions transcended the living plane seeing the world of the dead, such as in 'Soul of the Hunter' and in 'Web of Death' when he was dying and Doc Ock saved him. Religion's always been a touchy subject in the MU, and while Pete may believe in A God (not necessarily the traditional Judeo-Christian God), I don't think MJ's comments were deceptive.

There is a lot more evidence to suggest that Peter and MJ are not religious, than they are. If they are they are religious- they sure keep it hidden well! I think I can conclusively state that they are not.

 

[shinlyle]

Okay...now that "Back in Black" is over, I have to say that, as an event, it sucked pretty hard.

ASM's arc would have been okay, but the last installment just sucked the life out of it. Peter is a criminal, now...no wway around it. There was no redemption for him or his family at the end of it, it was just a 6 issue lead-in to "One More Shot at the Spider-Man fans"....I mean, "One More Day".

FNSM's arc was decent, simpyl because it rid us of "The Other". The last issue was pretty cool, too. Still, it just didn't feel like Peter Parker at all.

SSM was the only great one of the lot. The last temptation of Eddie Brock was awesome. We got a look at what Eddie will become again in the future, we got a little bit of closure with Aunt May, and "The Book of Peter" showed Peter coming full circle and realizing that there is a purpose behind all of this...even if he can't see it just yet.

Honestly, I think "Back in Black" was just JQ milking the fame of the black costume for 6 months while seeing how messed up he could make the Spider-books, just so we would beg for him to put us out of our misery by any means possible.

Ugh...I'd rather them just reprint ASM until about issue 350-something, and then start it all over again.

 

[SpideyZERO]

Speaking of Back In Black, here's the cover of Spider-Man: Back In Black hardcover, containing BIB stories from ASM and FNSM



I really like this cover, makes me feel a bit regret for buying the single issues and won't be getting the hardcover T.T

 

[arachnid-guy]

Speaking of Back In Black, here's the cover of Spider-Man: Back In Black hardcover, containing BIB stories from ASM and FNSM



I really like this cover, makes me feel a bit regret for buying the single issues and won't be getting the hardcover T.T

I like the spiders! t:

 

[Web-Head408]

Speaking of Back In Black, here's the cover of Spider-Man: Back In Black hardcover, containing BIB stories from ASM and FNSM



I really like this cover, makes me feel a bit regret for buying the single issues and won't be getting the hardcover T.T

Medina is making some awesome cover's for the hardcover's, though I won't be buying it because I already bought all the issue's when they came out.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Speaking of Back In Black, here's the cover of Spider-Man: Back In Black hardcover, containing BIB stories from ASM and FNSM



I really like this cover, makes me feel a bit regret for buying the single issues and won't be getting the hardcover T.T

What the--?! Where the hell is Roberto's credit? I already got the issues. But if they leave Sensational out of the collection that's not only disrespectful, but plain dumb since his arcs were IMHO the best.

 

[Web-Head408]

What the--?! Where the hell is Roberto's credit? I already got the issues. But if they leave Sensational out of the collection that's not only disrespectful, but plain dumb since his arcs were IMHO the best.

I'm pretty sure that Marvel's coming out with another collection with his storie's, this one I belive.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Speaking of Back In Black, here's the cover of Spider-Man: Back In Black hardcover, containing BIB stories from ASM and FNSM



I really like this cover, makes me feel a bit regret for buying the single issues and won't be getting the hardcover T.T

I'm pretty sure that Marvel's coming out with another collection with his storie's, this one I belive.

They both look really cool.

 

[Web-Head408]

They both look really cool.

Yes, they do, though I'm not getting either of them because I already bought each issue of the event. Angel Medina sure does know how to draw a great looking Spidey though!

 

[Xofenroht]

Hheheehheh.



There is a lot more evidence to suggest that Peter and MJ are not religious, than they are. If they are they are religious- they sure keep it hidden well! I think I can conclusively state that they are not.

I agree, Dangerous.

Besides, any sensible person knows that you don't have to be religious (let alone Christian) to believe in or even have a conversation with "God". People are acting as if the whole "God" concept is exclusive to Christianity, which it isn't nor was it ever nor does it depend on the existence of...

On many occasions Peter has pointed out that he is a man of science. He has a scientific mind and that alone distances him from traditional christian practices. Aunt May's obviously not THAT religious if she raised Peter to believe whatever he wants.

Seeing as Spider-Man is idolized by many different people and Peter Parker is the everyman, it's only logical to realize his religion is ambiguous. It has never been apart of who this character is nor should it be. He's an average guy at the core and the average person is not religious.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yes, they do, though I'm not getting either of them because I already bought each issue of the event. Angel Medina sure does know how to draw a great looking Spidey though!

Yeah, Medina's style of drawing spidey is really nice! He gave those drawings a great amount of detail.

 

[Web-Head408]

Yeah, Medina's style of drawing spidey is really nice! He gave those drawings a great amount of detail.

Agreed, I have all the issue's with his work on sensational, and his artwork is detailed and amazing!

 

[Webhead2006]

cool covers for the hardcover books.

 

[Web-Head408]

cool covers for the hardcover books.

Agreed, they are some of the coolest looking Spidey hardcover cover's I've seen!

 

[Dangerous]

I like the little dangling spiders, which seem to be Medina's trade mark on Spider-Man.
Particularly the one in the 2099 costume, heh.

 

[wolvie2020]

Okay...now that "Back in Black" is over, I have to say that, as an event, it sucked pretty hard.

Really? It's quite rare that you and I disagree

But I totally dug all of BIB. Very much to my surprise actually. I thought JMS is really back on track, PAD had ups and downs, but had some really good moments, and RAS showed that he really 'gets,' Peter Parker, and had some real character defining moments with all the female cast.

Garney, Crain, and Medina were badass. There was some dodgy art on FNSM imo though...

I decided to make a stand and not buy ASM, (like I missed much) But I came back in time for Civil War. I'm glad I did. All the CW stuff were some of the high points out of all the CW tie-ins, and all the cliff hangers in BIB had me on the edge of my seat. I've genuinley not read ANY thing like this before, and it has been pretty daring.

Let's just hope they don't screw up my happy streak in OMD and BND, (but I'm not counting on it though.)

 

[wolvie2020]

He's an average guy at the core and the average person is not religious.

You got it one. The average person is not RELIGIOUS, but the average person does have FAITH. They are 2 very different things, that describes 2 different people.

Besides, all in all, Stan the man has said plenty of times before that when creating the MU they steered very clear of any religion in their books.

If they did, all the MU characters would be Jewish anyway, so the entire Christianity point is moot

 

[shinlyle]

Really? It's quite rare that you and I disagree

But I totally dug all of BIB. Very much to my surprise actually. I thought JMS is really back on track, PAD had ups and downs, but had some really good moments, and RAS showed that he really 'gets,' Peter Parker, and had some real character defining moments with all the female cast.

Garney, Crain, and Medina were badass. There was some dodgy art on FNSM imo though...

I decided to make a stand and not buy ASM, (like I missed much) But I came back in time for Civil War. I'm glad I did. All the CW stuff were some of the high points out of all the CW tie-ins, and all the cliff hangers in BIB had me on the edge of my seat. I've genuinley not read ANY thing like this before, and it has been pretty daring.

Let's just hope they don't screw up my happy streak in OMD and BND, (but I'm not counting on it though.)

Well, I liked the beginning of all of it. It started off well...it just fell off about halfway for me....except SSM, which I will miss so much when it ends.

As for the OMD BND thing....I'm not holding out much hope for it. It could be the best thing ever...and were ANYONE but JMS and Joe Q in charge, I'd be all about it...but they are in charge, and that means I'm going to be very cautious before I spend 3.99 per issue (WTH?!?!) on this crapola.


Also, as for the Spidey/religion discussion, I like to think of Spidey as a Christian, simply because I am one as well. I'd imagine that he was never truly defined one way or another, simply because Spidey is supposed to be the "everyman". As soon as you declare his religious designation, you alienate people of other faiths, to an extent. In my head, Peter is a Protestant Christian by his raisings, but not a very active protestant. Yet, in other peoples' heads, he may be Jewish, Islamic, Agnostic, or, heaven forbid, an athiest. I think it's been made pretty abundantly clear that Peter believes in A god....they are just careful never to say WHICH god.

There are Superheroes whose faith is defined for them: Daredevil, Kitty Pride, etc....but they aren't the flagship characters of the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man is, and they like keeping him as relatable as possible.

 

[wolvie2020]

Also, as for the Spidey/religion discussion, I like to think of Spidey as a Christian, simply because I am one as well. I'd imagine that he was never truly defined one way or another, simply because Spidey is supposed to be the "everyman". As soon as you declare his religious designation, you alienate people of other faiths, to an extent. In my head, Peter is a Protestant Christian by his raisings, but not a very active protestant. Yet, in other peoples' heads, he may be Jewish, Islamic, Agnostic, or, heaven forbid, an athiest. I think it's been made pretty abundantly clear that Peter believes in A god....they are just careful never to say WHICH god.

There are Superheroes whose faith is defined for them: Daredevil, Kitty Pride, etc....but they aren't the flagship characters of the Marvel Universe. Spider-Man is, and they like keeping him as relatable as possible.

There you go, that's exactly it. That's why having a mask is such a great thing too, ANYONE can picture themselves as that person. It's one of the many ways we can relate to the guy.

Most people do believe in a God, or some higher power, that's why Peter does talk to God. I'm sure most of us here has done that in the darker parts of our life, and Peter does too :heart: *shucks!*

 

[KangConquers]

2 questions:

1. Does anyone have the Back in Black Handbook with all the profiles?
2. Why should Peter NOT believe in God. In Marvel there are all sorts of Gods; and I thought it was pretty much a fact that the one above all is God (atleast in the comic continiuity.)

So how can a man who's seen what he's seen not believe there is a God?

 

[Doc Destruction]

Shin, you are a FAR braver man than me to have stuck with it this long. EVERY post I read in here just reminds me that it isn't time to pick Spidey up yet.

COME ON SLOTT!

 

[Norman Osborn]

Shin, you are a FAR braver man than me to have stuck with it this long. EVERY post I read in here just reminds me that it isn't time to pick Spidey up yet.

COME ON SLOTT!

JMS is gone!!!.....I don't care if they put Parker in a tutu......JMS being gone, imo, is more than enough reason to give every Spidey title a clean slate!!

 

[shinlyle]

Shin, you are a FAR braver man than me to have stuck with it this long. EVERY post I read in here just reminds me that it isn't time to pick Spidey up yet.

COME ON SLOTT!

Well, it's honestly a love for the black suit that kept me in it. They end the marriage, then I'll probably cancel it from my pull list again...especially if they up the price to 3.99 per issue!