Comics Back In Black Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Themanofbat]

The issue was brilliant - but one simple statement: Call Reed Richards from the hospital phone, leave a message saying "Because Tony Stark asked Peter to give up his identity on national television, his Aunt May has been shot by someone out to kill Spider-Man. Help her, now."

Reed came when Spidey asked him to in Sensational, and that was just the mystery of a guy with Spider-powers.

I think the story in Sensational occurs after the Aunt May getting shot story, so maybe Peter didn't think Reed would want to help (remember, he was just coming home from the Civil War #7 battle, where Pete beat Reed in said issue).

 

[chris moore]

Good point - it is a small window to get his thoughts together. He might still be mad in sensational, but he's probably a bit more rational

 

[The Caped Knight]

The marriage is the best thing they could have done with Peter Parker.

Agreed .

 

[farmernudie]

Here's to a long and happy marriage for Pete and MJ...and to many kids...a nice house with a picket fence, a few oak trees, and many happy nights holding hands with MJ on the couch while watching Lost.

 

[SpideyZERO]

That would be nice. Introducing:

Spider-Man: Family Days
You have seen Spidey battling evil foes and aliens, but have you seen Spidey battling his own baby? Can his Spider power help him in changing diapers? Prepare true believers, as we will watch Peter fighting his greatest challenge ever!!! There's no going BACK!!!

 

[shinlyle]

That would be nice. Introducing:

Spider-Man: Family Days
You have seen Spidey battling evil foes and aliens, but have you seen Spidey battling his own baby? Can his Spider power help him in changing diapers? Prepare true believers, as we will watch Peter fighting his greatest challenge ever!!! There's no going BACK!!!

Hey, I think it could work quite well....even if it were just a humor comic. Look at Franklin Richards: Son of a Genius!

Honestly, they could at least have Peter and MJ talk about having kids. It would be fun to watch Peter, while still on the run, trying to talk MJ out of getting pregnant, all the while, his friends who have kids, Liz Allen, Reed & Sue Richards, and...that's it, I guess, all tell him the same thing every parent eventually learns: You're never ready for kids, and the time is never "right", and if you wait for everythign to be perfect, you'll never have them.

After he comes to this realization, MJ, who has been babysitting a neighbor's kid or something, realizes how she is by no means ready to be a parent.

Then, on the last page, she finds out that she is, indeed, pregnant.

TA-DAA!! And I didn't even have to rewrite continuity to do it!

 

[arachnid-guy]

Bought the new issue today.

I kept thinking all the way through....


'Pete....you are such a BAD. ASS!'

 

[Venom07]

Originally Posted by Themanofbat:
I think the story in Sensational occurs after the Aunt May getting shot story

Remember the good old days when Marvel would put a little asterisk next to a blurb or somewhere in a panel and then say the events occured between issues so and so or before the events in such and such issue. It really wouldn't take much for them to keep everything straight and it make easier on their customers. With all the different Spider-Man titles they really need to make a little effort to keep everything straight and let the users know what order the events are occuring with. Of course if this is in the issue(s) and I missed it, I'll just go hide in a corner somewhere.

 

[Mara Jane]

This is not an error. If you're on the run from the authorities you don't go around giving your real name.

But in the book, Peter specifically states that MJ should use May's maiden name because a birth certificate would exist with that name. So it should be Reilly. The editor can't even say it was an honest mistake and the name got confused with Mary Parker's (Pete's mom) maiden name, because hers is Fitzpatrick, not Fitzgerald.

crivelliman, yes, Pete did give up the black suit because MJ asked him to, but IIRC, when Pete tossed it in the fire he says something along the lines of wanting to get rid of it anyway. Would you want to wear a costume that made you look like your enemy? Or a creature that took advantage of you?

 

[SpideyInATree]

Read # 539 this morning. A pretty good read. I really liked Pete just losing it and taking guys down like it was nothing. Loved the part where he tossed the Jeep at the assassin. Nice.

Though I'm highly disappointed in the blatant continuity errors. Aunt May's maiden name is Reilly or did JMS NOT ever read the 90's Clone Saga? And Pete didn't stop wearing the black costume because it "sent the wrong message". He stopped wearing it because Mary Jane was freaked out by it. Didn't he BURN it? But I was getting pleased with the powers that be that maybe some tighter continuity was brewing but we just took about twenty steps backward here.

Though...we have Sacasa over on Sensational Spider-Man and he's pretty much the Spidey continuity master right now. At least SOMEONE is keeping it all together around here.

 

[Kent]

But in the book, Peter specifically states that MJ should use May's maiden name because a birth certificate would exist with that name. So it should be Reilly. The editor can't even say it was an honest mistake and the name got confused with Mary Parker's (Pete's mom) maiden name, because hers is Fitzpatrick, not Fitzgerald.

Ah, I haven't actually read the comic. Just went from the situation presented to me. My mistake.

 

[Kevin]

But in the book, Peter specifically states that MJ should use May's maiden name because a birth certificate would exist with that name. So it should be Reilly. The editor can't even say it was an honest mistake and the name got confused with Mary Parker's (Pete's mom) maiden name, because hers is Fitzpatrick, not Fitzgerald.

crivelliman, yes, Pete did give up the black suit because MJ asked him to, but IIRC, when Pete tossed it in the fire he says something along the lines of wanting to get rid of it anyway. Would you want to wear a costume that made you look like your enemy? Or a creature that took advantage of you?

Well, now I'm disappointed in JMS. Reilly man. Reilly. Seriously, I defend the son of a ***** for, like, 2 years, then to find out that he... wow...

 

[SpideyInATree]

Yeah, seriously. You'd figure that he'd get the maiden name part. Her maiden name only was involved in one of the most contreversial storylines in Spider-Man history, the Clone Saga. Ben Reilly! Ben F'n Reilly. Did you think that he picked up the Reilly name from the phone book? Poo faces.

I wonder if anybody is going to get fired for that mistake? Because if I made a mistake like THAT at my job I'd be **** canned.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Yeah, seriously. You'd figure that he'd get the maiden name part. Her maiden name only was involved in one of the most contreversial storylines in Spider-Man history, the Clone Saga. Ben Reilly! Ben F'n Reilly. Did you think that he picked up the Reilly name from the phone book? Poo faces.

I wonder if anybody is going to get fired for that mistake? Because if I made a mistake like THAT at my job I'd be **** canned.

Yeah, seriously. You'd figure that he'd get the maiden name part. Her maiden name only was involved in one of the most contreversial storylines in Spider-Man history, the Clone Saga. Ben Reilly! Ben F'n Reilly. Did you think that he picked up the Reilly name from the phone book? Poo faces.

I wonder if anybody is going to get fired for that mistake? Because if I made a mistake like THAT at my job I'd be **** canned.

I personally think JMS knowingly placed the errors in as a shot at the hardcore fan....He knew it would incite them.....I mean really....he brought the issue of her maiden name up and there's no way it's coincidental he used a name so close to Pete's mom's maiden name (Fitzpatrick vs Fitzgerald) he knew it was Reilly...he's just snubbing the hardcore fans who've been breaking his balls for years...

Speaking of continuity errors (and this is non-spider-man related so my apologies)...but I was flipping through "Civil War Battle Damage" Reading Stark's dossier on Frank Castle he mentions Puny's recent decimation of a slavery ring with ties to the NYPD as well as the "anti-punisher initiative"...obviously these elements are from the Punisher Max arc The Slavers.....

...I always thought that Punisher Max was set significantly in the future of Marvel (Frank's gotta be late 50's in Max) or else a seperate Marvel universe altogether??...Am I wrong or was this a serious continuity gaffe?

 

[Norman Osborn]

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[Miss Webb]

Read # 539 this morning. A pretty good read. I really liked Pete just losing it and taking guys down like it was nothing. Loved the part where he tossed the Jeep at the assassin. Nice.

Though I'm highly disappointed in the blatant continuity errors. Aunt May's maiden name is Reilly or did JMS NOT ever read the 90's Clone Saga? And Pete didn't stop wearing the black costume because it "sent the wrong message". He stopped wearing it because Mary Jane was freaked out by it. Didn't he BURN it? But I was getting pleased with the powers that be that maybe some tighter continuity was brewing but we just took about twenty steps backward here.

Though...we have Sacasa over on Sensational Spider-Man and he's pretty much the Spidey continuity master right now. At least SOMEONE is keeping it all together around here.

That's the way it goes these days...today's continuity is tomorrow's retcon, and yesterday's "previous era". Sometimes I want to pick up my old issues, hold them in the air and examine them to see if they're still real.

 

[crivelliman]

But in the book, Peter specifically states that MJ should use May's maiden name because a birth certificate would exist with that name. So it should be Reilly. The editor can't even say it was an honest mistake and the name got confused with Mary Parker's (Pete's mom) maiden name, because hers is Fitzpatrick, not Fitzgerald.

crivelliman, yes, Pete did give up the black suit because MJ asked him to, but IIRC, when Pete tossed it in the fire he says something along the lines of wanting to get rid of it anyway. Would you want to wear a costume that made you look like your enemy? Or a creature that took advantage of you?

Thank you! And you're absolutely right, he did have other intentions for getting rid of the black suit, association with a psycho being one of the main ones. My only thing is his chief reason for ditching it was because of MJ. If you remember during McFarlane's arc with Morbius and the extras from a Spawn comic, he had another black costume made by the FF for the purposes of sneaking in the sewers, and his paramount strike against it was how it would make MJ feel. Even during the Clone Saga, Pete dons the black costume's mask (and his civvies as the costume) and apologizes to MJ for how the black costume makes her feel, and he was barely wearing any of it. It's been the biggest reason against it since the introduction of Venom, which leads me to point out that really, books today are written without any real consequence for what's come before. There is no respect for continuity, because to those in charge, it limits the stories they can tell. That is, unless they're talking to a fan, in which case, continuity is the strongest element the MU has.

 

[TimDrake64x]

hey, im not a huge continuity guy or anything and really this the 1st spider-man issue ive picked up in maybe a decade, but i have to say i loved, it does suck that he couldnt fix that 1 little thing but hey im not going to gripe about it, this issue was great and i will continue to read this story arc

 

[crivelliman]

hey, im not a huge continuity guy or anything and really this the 1st spider-man issue ive picked up in maybe a decade, but i have to say i loved, it does suck that he couldnt fix that 1 little thing but hey im not going to gripe about it, this issue was great and i will continue to read this story arc

JMS is actually a decent Spidey writer, and if you dug this issue, you'd probably love his stuff when **** wasn't ******ed with Civil War. Check out the TPB's of When the Stars Grow Cold, etc. John Romita Jr.'s art is just a wonderful compliment to the writing.

 

[Kraven]

Interview with Ron Garney:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=106631

Hmmm, interesting bit at the end

Spoiler

where he mentioned the sketch he drew, of Spider-Man covering a sheet over a body. Wonder if May will die?

 

[SpideyZERO]

Yeah. Interesting. I don't think it's Aunt May though. Maybe Pete accidentally killed the sniper and regretted that?

 

[TimDrake64x]

i havent kept up with continuity ever and i am just now getting into it because of the bib story. but hasent aunt may died before? cause i think i remember a cover that was a grave and it was her death

 

[USMC]

i havent kept up with continuity ever and i am just now getting into it because of the bib story. but hasent aunt may died before? cause i think i remember a cover that was a grave and it was her death

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_May

"Aunt May has "died" several times. In her most recent "death", the "Aunt May" who died was, in a widely-derided plot twist, revealed to be a "genetically-altered actress" who impersonated her while May was held captive by villains. Later writers, like J. Michael Straczynski, of Babylon 5 fame, returned to portrayals of Aunt May's strength and character nuance. For instance, Straczynski controversially had May finally learn about her nephew's secret life once and for all (in Amazing Spider-Man (volume 2) #35, #38). That resulted in a heartfelt discussion in which aunt and nephew confess their darkest secrets and each learned that the other was far stronger than they imagined."

 

[TimDrake64x]

huh, thanx for the info

 

[Kevin]

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