The Dark Knight Rises Bane

[gwynplaine]

I don't really get Bane.

 

[sabetoonth]

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[Monkey Dome]

I can't see Bane working in a Nolan movie. You can make him realistic, yeah, but even then, he just wouldn't fit into Nolan's style. He is just a steroids eating wrestler with a genius level IQ. And he wears a mask. What else is there for a 2 hour movie about--we're assuming--redemption? I'd like to see a movie with a smaller scale, a lot like Year One. Or even Dark Victory. Something that's big, but isn't city-wide big. Why do you need a threat that can destroy a whole city when you can make it a personal threat? And no, I don't think TDK did that.

 

[-Arya-]

Doesn't have to be a super steroid.

He doesn't even have to be on venom.

however

Super steroid = no less realistic than fear gas

Agreed. Nolan can make this work and I would love to see Bane. They need to redeem this character.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I can't see Bane working in a Nolan movie. You can make him realistic, yeah, but even then, he just wouldn't fit into Nolan's style. He is just a steroids eating wrestler with a genius level IQ. And he wears a mask. What else is there for a 2 hour movie about--we're assuming--redemption? I'd like to see a movie with a smaller scale, a lot like Year One. Or even Dark Victory. Something that's big, but isn't city-wide big. Why do you need a threat that can destroy a whole city when you can make it a personal threat? And no, I don't think TDK did that.

I agree with this, I want a grand scale but not city threatening story. I felt that as nuts as the Joker went in TDK, I would've rather it not evacuate the city, simply because it seemed like a way of matching the threat in BB, when really a smaller scale conflict could be just as thematically and emotional strong.

 

[Brian Braddock]

To be honest; I always felf Bane was at his zenith during the whole Knightfall storyline; Bane masterminds a plan from the shadows where Batman gets progressively weakened by one rogue after the next until such point that he's seen as vulnerable to attack.

That set up is best served to a tv format as opposed to trying to cram it all into 1 movie.

Actually, thinking about it - it's perfect for a tv series; Each week would see Batman facing a new villain; leading enivitably to the season finale showdown with Bane.

I think that would be really interesting.

 

[Ronny Shade]

To be honest; I always felf Bane was at his zenith during the whole Knightfall storyline; Bane masterminds a plan from the shadows where Batman gets progressively weakened by one rogue after the next until such point that he's seen as vulnerable to attack.

That set up is best served to a tv format as opposed to trying to cram it all into 1 movie.

Actually, thinking about it - it's perfect for a tv series; Each week would see Batman facing a new villain; leading enivitably to the season finale showdown with Bane.

I think that would be really interesting.

They could have a season based on every Jeph Loeb book

 

[Anjow1060]

Saw this thread and smiled.

Bane and Freeze are my two fav. villains and I know we ain't getting freeze. As I stated in another thread he could be brought in under Ras to "finish" what was started. Etc etc.

Through Ras:
1) Knows Batman is Bruce
2) Knows theatrics / Bruce's styles
3) Knows how to "do whatever is necessary" to win (ie - steroids).

Plus there's this thing where movies always connect the third film with the first. Thus Ras coming back in.

I also was under a great idea that Ras and Bane are trying to destroy the city to the point where it would become a No Man's Land. Disease. Chaos. Destruction.
And this could be "all a part of the plan" with a well known bald headed billionaire from Metropolis with an affinity for acquiring new land. Which would force that billionaire to break the law by entering a NML to aid the people (and also quiety give him control of it) but give him good PR. Then with a little blackmail he could have a politicion wipe his criminal record clean, thus allowing him to eventually become President of the United States.

I think it's a perfect way to subtly introduce more fantastic elements into the world so that when Nolan leaves, they can really open up and allow a director to do what they envision. You don't have to have Superman, but the inclusion of Lex creates the possibility of it, regardless of what certain Batman Website runners claim.

- Jow

 

[The Guard]

Re-read my post, I said "super steroid", theres nothing unrealistic about "addictive steroids"

I thought the implication of the use of steroids, period, was obvious. A steroid is a steroid, for the most part. Bane need not have one that makes him pump up all at once. Just one that went beyond what most do. As Bane does. Half of Bane's point is that he's a self made man in many respects.

Bane could work, but there are more interesting, and more deserving characters.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I don't like the "immediate strength enhancement venom."

I'd prefer a Bane on a long term drug and exercise regimen.

 

[Anjow1060]

meh, it wouldn't be too far fetched to have the steroid be a altered "adrenaline" injection.

People do crazy shyt when adrenaline kicks in. Lifting cars over their heads and stuff.

But I could see where persistent use of it could screw up your heart.

*Cue symbolism*

- Jow

 

[GL1]

*squinty* I... I see what you did there...

"Venom" should be an adrenaline shot... even if it's not piped from behind his back (silly) but a big part of the adolescent appeal of the character is that 'hulking out' moment that makes him a superior physical threat.

 

[Ronny Shade]

*squinty* I... I see what you did there...

"Venom" should be an adrenaline shot... even if it's not piped from behind his back (silly) but a big part of the adolescent appeal of the character is that 'hulking out' moment that makes him a superior physical threat.

Right, so don't feel tied to it.

This series has been about removing the adolescent appeal and focusing on the emotional appeal.

 

[GL1]

Right, so don't feel tied to it.

This series has been about removing the adolescent appeal and focusing on the emotional appeal.

Adolescent emotional appeal.

Beyond that, I didn't know Bane had any emotional appeal. I thought the point of the character was being a physical threat to Batman. If the goal is making an Anti-Batman we kinda got the best of that in both the Joker and Dent. I really don't see what Bane has to offer emotionally. Perhaps I should read the thread, and see if I can't find something.

 

[Ronny Shade]

A good CB movie injects relevance and emotional resonance into its characters regardless of whether or not they they had it before. Is Bane a big scary guy in a mask who has superpowers? Yes. Fundamentally, this is what he is. A good story, however will get into his head and make him mean something more than that.

 

[The Guard]

Good lord some of you need to read comics with Bane in them. He's much more than a big scary guy on Venom.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I know that.


But all of these characters start with agimmick like that.

Joker: evil clown
Riddler: criminal who leaves clues
Penguin: fat criminal with trick umbrellas
Bane: big scary guy with Venom

If that's all you see, then you're probably 5 years old.

 

[Dark Knight]

meh, it wouldn't be too far fetched to have the steroid be a altered "adrenaline" injection.

People do crazy shyt when adrenaline kicks in. Lifting cars over their heads and stuff.

But I could see where persistent use of it could screw up your heart.

*Cue symbolism*

- Jow

Bane would need to be grounded more of course. Him being addicted and shooting up steroids or an adrenaline shot would be good enough. Bane doesn't need to be shown throwing cars around or anything crazy like that.

 

[Dark Knight]

Good lord some of you need to read comics with Bane in them. He's much more than a big scary guy on Venom.

Yep!

 

[Ronny Shade]

How about he rips a car in half and uses it for boxing gloves!!

Spoiler

 

[GL1]

A good CB movie injects relevance and emotional resonance into its characters regardless of whether or not they they had it before. Is Bane a big scary guy in a mask who has superpowers? Yes. Fundamentally, this is what he is. A good story, however will get into his head and make him mean something more than that.

True as that may be, there are nearly a dozen characters that have shown relevance and emotional resonance across multiple media for multiple decades. Bane is not one of them. The fact that any of these characters can be simplified to a gimmick doesn't change the fact that many of them have a depth that I have yet to see in Bane in comics, movies or animation.

Good lord some of you need to read comics with Bane in them. He's much more than a big scary guy on Venom.

Not sure if this was for me. Here's my understanding of Bane. He's intelligent, clever crafty. He is an extremely capable opponent. He's prideful, and while he has goals, to me, he's completely unempathizable. Perhaps there is an appearance that I have yet to see, but if Knightfall is his heydey, then I'd rather not have him as a main villain.

So I ask this question: what theme would you explore with Bane?
Fear? Corruption? Control? What?

 

[Ronny Shade]

Power.

 

[GL1]

I kinda knew someone would say that. My first thought is that it sounds too broad, but I suppose you could explore the different things they do when they acquire power. That could be interesting.

But in the large scheme of things, Bane isn't that powerful. I suppose if you make Bane the head of all the mobs, a position that really should go to Black Mask or similar, that he would be 'powerful' in the grand scheme of things... there are other characters ala Poison Ivy, Talia Al Ghul and the Riddler who stand to actually have a lot of power.

Unless your theme was physical power, or to use Bane's physical power as a metaphor for actual power in the world. That could be interesting, but a theme in a movie is already a metaphor for reality, and so now we have a metaphor of a metaphor... doable, I guess. I don't see what the big deal is about it that makes it so desireable, though.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I sorta had the idea that Bane would be a hired muscle type brought in by one of the mob bosses. He realizes that he's smarter than the guy who hired him and takes over. I'm not set on this, but I like it. Bane would be the embodiment of physical power as well as influence power.

Batman's segue into dealing with power happened in TDK with the sonar machine. That's definitely going to tempt him. Big picture solutions. At first, he's a powerful individual in person, but wants to restrict himself to that physical power of Batman...that one man who can beat you up and stop you thing.

Bane's going to match this at first, and then exceed it by becoming a mob boss. Batman's going to have to struggle with the morality of big picture solutions to the problem.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

I'm really warming up to the idea of Bane for B3. Having him as an heir to the League of Shadows could be really awesome, and they could even make a good storyline out of his addiction to the venom.