The Dark Knight Rises Bane

[Marx]

You think I didn't know that?

Did I say that you didn't already know that? Nope.

 

[JAK®]

Did I say that you didn't already know that? Nope.

Just seems you took my comment a bit more seriously than I intended, that's all.

 

[Timstuff]

Exactly.

I have a couple Chilean, Uruguayan, and Argentine friends and you'd be hard pressed saying they weren't white. Its funny actually because my Chilean friend actually looks a lot like Hardy. So there goes that.

Some look more Spaniard but all of the three countries mentioned had massive Serbian, Croatian, Italian immigrants etc the list goes on mainly sticking closer to the Mediterranean European side.

With that said Hardy could still pass for a White-Latino guy from a fictional South American island. Someone saying "No, he can't" is just showing a misunderstanding or no understanding at all in regards to the entire Latino/Hispanic label.

Some Latino/Latino-Americans even fall into this ignorance because big states are populated by one major ethnic group, Mexicans for example in California and then all of a sudden everyone just starts assuming all hispanics are just Mestizo (native/White but leaning more towards the indigenous side) in appearance.

Real fascinating stuff but Hardy still works, father King Snake -British/White, mother South American Rebel - Unknown (likely Native/Spaniard/Portuguese/African or a mixture) . I'll stand up against whitewashing when it happens for example with WB's Akira project. That for me is a complete disgrace in Americanizing the story, setting, and characters. Now thats something they need to concentrate on, oh yeah but its nowhere near as popular forgot that hits matter.

My Puerto Rican friend a while ago was showing me some pictures of his friends from back in PR, and some of them were whiter than I am! In America we have a big problem understanding what the "Latino" identity actually is, because many people are quite ignorant that there are white, black, and even some Asian people who identify themselves as Latino, not just the stereotyped medium brown people with dark hair.

 

[antsman41]

...and it shouldn't be. Bruce is going to need a suit that is incredibly tough to fight Bane. I sincerely hope we get a hybrid of the BB and TDK suits with the giant bat across the chest. If this it to be Nolan and company's last Batman movie, it should be THE definitive movie of the trilogy. The batcave should return in all its glory. Wayne Manor should be restored in all its glory. The Batmobile should return in all its glory.

That's why I feel once Bruce is "broken" in some way, he will hibernate.

During said time time;

-he needs to regain his strength
-he will be updating his suit
-he will rebuild/acquire another tumbler or something like it
-he will build/strengthen/gain alliances: Fox, Gordon, and maybe Catwoman

Then, during the third act he will further develop Wayne Enterprises, pwn Bane and regain his status as Gotham's "protector" and will therefor become the "LEGEND" Ra's foreshadowed to.

 

[D.P.]

Perhaps that's true, but then, in the No Mans Land arc he kills a LOT of people and just does his dispassionately. It's his job, it's a mechanical process. Bane is not a sadist, not really. When he's juicing on Venom it's a different thing entirely. But he's not an evil man who enjoys causing people pain. He's good at it, it pays well.

He's got that prison mentality though. He's new in Gotham, so he goes right for the biggest, nastiest, toughest guy in town. He's a genius, but his outlook on things is typical of a common street thug.
A complex fellow to be sure.

Gotcha. That makes sense. Do you see him trying to take over the mob ala Joker in TDK seeing as he wants to be the baddest criminal Gotham?

 

[regwec]

That's why I feel once Bruce is "broken" in some way, he will hibernate.

During said time time;

-he needs to regain his strength
-he will be updating his suit
-he will rebuild/acquire another tumbler or something like it
-he will build/strengthen/gain alliances: Fox, Gordon, and maybe Catwoman

Then, during the third act he will further develop Wayne Enterprises, pwn Bane and regain his status as Gotham's "protector" and will therefor become the "LEGEND" Ra's foreshadowed to.

If Batman is taken out of action, I think it is crucial that he never gives up. Even with his back broken and his legs useless, he will be spending every waking minute trying to repair, to heal, to improve; in order to put Bane down.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

I personally can't see Nolan keeping a mask on Bane during the film, or during any part of it.

I can imagine Bane having Tattoos over his face that maybe resemble a 'mask'.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I personally can't see Nolan keeping a mask on Bane during the film, or during any part of it.

I can imagine Bane having Tattoos over his face that maybe resemble a 'mask'.

I could see that.

Incidentally, I wonder if they'll cover up Tom Hardy's tattoos or not...

 

[regwec]

Seriously? Why is that preferable to him just pulling on a ski mask? That worked for the IRA and ETA. Your idea is pretty outlandish.

 

[ronny]

Gotcha. That makes sense. Do you see him trying to take over the mob ala Joker in TDK seeing as he wants to be the baddest criminal Gotham?

I think he may be more interested in a chaotic dog-eat-dog scenario in which he can be the strongest figure amongst all the anarchy. I'm sick of the mob, I really want to see Zsasz return or Mad Hatter make a cameo. Not a starring role, just a kind of extended cameo. And the way to do this would be for Bane to get rid of Batman and just open the floodgates. Beating Batman might not be enough, to fully defeat him, he may want to utterly ruin the city that Batman cares about so much.

But at the same time, he shouldn't be a 2D 'evil' character. Remember, the guy who broke Batman's back is also this guy:

He has to have a sense of honour to go along with his ruthlessness. Kind of like Simon Gruber in Die Hard With a Vengeance when he becomes slightly offended at the suggestion that he would kill children and protests that 'I'm a soldier, not a monster. Even though I sometimes work for monsters.'

 

[Piuchén]

Exactly.

I have a couple Chilean, Uruguayan, and Argentine friends and you'd be hard pressed saying they weren't white. Its funny actually because my Chilean friend actually looks a lot like Hardy. So there goes that.

Some look more Spaniard but all of the three countries mentioned had massive Serbian, Croatian, Italian immigrants etc the list goes on mainly sticking closer to the Mediterranean European side.

With that said Hardy could still pass for a White-Latino guy from a fictional South American island. Someone saying "No, he can't" is just showing a misunderstanding or no understanding at all in regards to the entire Latino/Hispanic label.

Some Latino/Latino-Americans even fall into this ignorance because big states are populated by one major ethnic group, Mexicans for example in California and then all of a sudden everyone just starts assuming all hispanics are just Mestizo (native/White but leaning more towards the indigenous side) in appearance.

Real fascinating stuff but Hardy still works, father King Snake -British/White, mother South American Rebel - Unknown (likely Native/Spaniard/Portuguese/African or a mixture) . I'll stand up against whitewashing when it happens for example with WB's Akira project. That for me is a complete disgrace in Americanizing the story, setting, and characters. Now thats something they need to concentrate on, oh yeah but its nowhere near as popular forgot that hits matter.

Funny thing, I am chilean too and I can only agree with your post, the thing goes this way more or less.

-Rich people èlite have usually more european look:

-Middle class people are more mestizos (me included), can easily pass by spanish guys.

-Poor people are like the natives, usually smaller in size because some of them do not have good nutrition when kids.

Hardy can easily pass for a mestizo if he would have black hair and brown eyes, nobody will think he is european or american.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

Seriously? Why is that preferable to him just pulling on a ski mask? That worked for the IRA and ETA. Your idea is pretty outlandish.

Yes for the same reason Raimi got Tobey to keep pulling his mask off. The facial expressions he'll use to portray Bane will be mostly covered up. Nolan will want to bring those across to the audience.

Just like he did with scarecrow, who kept his mask on for the minimal amount of time.

What works in the comics does not always on film.

 

[Saint]

Do you guys think Bruce will create another Batsuit in order to take down Bane?

I certainly hope not. The "Ah ha, I have this new armour that wil allow me to defeat Bane" thing just doesn't seem right to me at all. It's not particularly interesting from a character standpoint, and it's too... Iron Man. I prefer he defeat Bane with a plan, not a suit of armour.

Also, anything Batman would come up with to face Bane would probably be more armoured, and holy crap is more armour the very last thing on the list of things these movies need.

Well I expect to see Nolan and Hardy’s Bane characterization be more of a hybrid between Bane and another hitman assassin Deadshot.

I think Bane will not have the Venom steroids pumping into his brain or any other part of his body as well. He will not wear a wrestler type of mask that covers his whole face. It might be like a half a mask wear it covers most of his head, but leaves his mouth and cheek areas open.

I also expect Banes origin to be different from the comics version as well.

I still think we will see one more side villain like Hugo Strange or Black Mask in this. Most likely Hugo Strange though.

Well, basically you just said that you don't expect Bane in the movie to have any of the traits of Bane from the comics. Obviously I think it's fair to expect changes, but if Nolan wanted a character that was nothing like Bane, he probably wouldn't have chosen Bane.

I personally can't see Nolan keeping a mask on Bane during the film, or during any part of it.

I can imagine Bane having Tattoos over his face that maybe resemble a 'mask'.

Covering your face in a mask of tattoos seems infinitely more preposterous than putting on a mask or a hood or a helmet. People where masks all the time. Masks exist in the real world.

I think the "Bane won't wear a mask" argument will turn out like the "Joker won't wear purple" and "Two-Face will only have subtle scars" arguments. Or, at least, I hope that will be the case.

 

[namtaB]

You probably had to be there, but did they stared at her because they were fascinated by her or was it in a weird manner?

I wasn't there. But she told me that people would always stare at her when she was out in public. Sometimes they would ask to take a picture with her. Part of it maybe that she's tall and very attractive, but I definitely think that a midwest girl in mainland China is something the people there don't see regularly. She was telling me how it gave her a new perspective of the world.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

Two faces scars and the jokers purple are very different actors face for most of the film.

I point to scarecrow for a example.

 

[Saint]

Yes for the same reason Raimi got Tobey to keep pulling his mask off. The facial expressions he'll use to portray Bane will be mostly covered up. Nolan will want to bring those across to the audience.

Just like he did with scarecrow, who kept his mask on for the minimal amount of time.

What works in the comics does not always on film.

Everybody says this, but besides specific storytelling devices and techniques (see the supplementary material in Watchmen), it's doesn't seem to actually be true. Whether it's outlandish masks, costumes, characters, or stories, everything will work just fine so long as you construct a world where it makes sense. I believe we have an entire list of comic book films the illustrate this point.

Furthermore, people wear masks in the movies all the time, and not just comic book movies. Sometimes they wear masks for the entirety of their performance--and, the great thing about a mask is that you can take it off if it's important to see the actor's face. Clearly, masks work just fine on film.

We're watching a movie where the main character wears a mask for half the film, where another character in the same universe wears a mask, and you cite another example in your own post of a mask working on film (Spider-Man). It seems really bizarre to then suggest that Bane's mask wouldn't work. It's absolutely clear that it would.

 

[Nightmare]

I just wanna know what nolan will do with the costume and the mask. So many different possibilities to go. I just hope it just doesnt seem to far off. Maybe he'll make bane a professional wrestler?

 

[B.A. Baracus]

I believe it would work, it worked beautifully on Rorschach and Spider man, For me, taking away his mask has nothing to do with the realism aspect that Nolan is doing.

I just cannot imagine Nolan having Bane covering his face with a mask for 90% of his screen time, just as he did with scarecrow.

 

[Saint]

Two faces scars and the jokers purple are very different actors face for most of the film.

I point to scarecrow for a example.

An example of how a mask was used and worked just fine?

 

[Saint]

I believe it would work, it worked beautifully on Rorschach and Spider man, For me, taking away his mask has nothing to do with the realism aspect that Nolan is doing.

I just cannot imagine Nolan having Bane covering his face with a mask for 90% of his screen time, just as he did with scarecrow.

There's no reason Bane would need to wear a mask any more often than Batman already does in the same movie.

 

[regwec]

I think he may be more interested in a chaotic dog-eat-dog scenario in which he can be the strongest figure amongst all the anarchy. I'm sick of the mob, I really want to see Zsasz return or Mad Hatter make a cameo. Not a starring role, just a kind of extended cameo. And the way to do this would be for Bane to get rid of Batman and just open the floodgates. Beating Batman might not be enough, to fully defeat him, he may want to utterly ruin the city that Batman cares about so much.

But at the same time, he shouldn't be a 2D 'evil' character. Remember, the guy who broke Batman's back is also this guy:

He has to have a sense of honour to go along with his ruthlessness. Kind of like Simon Gruber in Die Hard With a Vengeance when he becomes slightly offended at the suggestion that he would kill children and protests that 'I'm a soldier, not a monster. Even though I sometimes work for monsters.'

Completely agree.

Another interesting angle might be if Bane becomes the effective king of Gotham's streets, but finds himself unable to govern what he has conquered. Was Batman a more nuanced and skillful enforcer of order? Is his great challenger, Bane, equipped to wear the crown?

 

[B.A. Baracus]

An example of how a mask was used and worked just fine?

Yes but look how long he actually kept it on, he kept whipping it off at every chance he got, very unlike his comic counterpart.

There's no reason Bane would need to wear a mask any more often than Batman already does in the same movie.

Batman and bane's masks are very different, With respect i dont think you can even argue that. Batman's mask has the luxury of seeing the eyes and lower face. Bane's mask shows nothing.

I can see Bane wearing a mask along the lines of Batman's, but highly doubt Nolan will go the way of the comic book version.

 

[regwec]

I believe it would work, it worked beautifully on Rorschach and Spider man, For me, taking away his mask has nothing to do with the realism aspect that Nolan is doing.

I just cannot imagine Nolan having Bane covering his face with a mask for 90% of his screen time, just as he did with scarecrow.

Bane wants to fulfill the ideal of the perfect human. Why would he cover his face in tattoos?

And why would he tattoo his face to look like a mask, when he can just wear a mask? The advantage of a mask is that Hardy can act behind it, and without it. With a distractingly ink-busied makeup job, his performance would go largely unnoticed throughout.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

Bane wants to fulfill the ideal of the perfect human. Why would he cover his face in tattoos?

The Joker was a man who fell into a vat of chemicals, not a man who covers himself in make up. Harvey Dent was scarred by Maroni, not the Joker.

As we have seen before, characters differ alot from page to screen in Nolan's films.

 

[HighFivingMF]

The Joker was a man who fell into a vat of chemicals, not a man who covers himself in make up. Harvey Dent was scarred by Maroni, not the Joker.

As we have seen before, characters differ alot from page to screen in Nolan's films.

Those are completely different. Your examples are of liberties taken with the character's physical appearance, or an altering of the circumstances. Bane covering himself in tattoos would be an alteration of the character's spirit.