The Dark Knight Rises Bane

[I, Shadow]

I'd prefer Bane to have an actual mask made from some sort of fabric as opposed to wearing a hard facemask or helmet. Besides personal preference, I just don't feel as though he needs the extra protection a helmet provides...he's Bane.

If they could find a way to fashion a Lucha mask for Bane that doesn't look goofy and has a closed mouth area, I'm all for it. I'm not a huge fan of the exposed mouth area and I hated it in TAS. I even hated when they gave Kick-Ass an open mouth mask. Anyway, I think it's important that the mask itself doesn't look brand spanking new. It should have a lot of wear to it and appear well traveled as if Bane has put in years with it.

I wouldn't even be mad if he wore a basic balaclava mask or ski mask and customized it himself like some soldiers do. Maybe he paints/draws/airbrushes it, maybe not. Give it a kind of gritty makeshift quality.

It obviously doesn't have to use a skull/ghost motif, but there is a certain intimidation factor there. Just bouncing ideas.

A custom of one of those could make it

 

[craigdbfan]

When did Bane become Ghost from MW2?

 

[Micah12345]

Will bane be nolan's first sympathetic main villain?

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Yeah.. I've been thinking that lately too. So well done. Eckhart is the man.

Maybe Two-Face is still alive and the mob boss replacement instead of Black Mask like everyone's been wanting.

Yeah, but Eckhart did confirm he wasn't on this. They're going for the realistic approach after all :P BUT, I don't think it's absolutely necessary to not mention the character in the next film -- keep the fans and the rest of Gotham's citizens wondering if it really is a Harvey Dent back from the dead. Maybe Hardy could play that out behind the mask (if there is one).

Will bane be nolan's first sympathetic main villain?

I think most of them were 'sympathetic' to a degree... Henri Ducard, Dent, even the Joker with his crazy justifications about an amoral world. Well okay, maybe not him.

 

[Timstuff]

*sigh* it was only a matter of time, I suppose, before the Racebenders caught wind of a white British actor being cast as the South American-born Bane character.

Be forewarned-- you're about to enter some very stupid territory.

http://community.livejournal.com/racebending/295036.html

So let me get this straight-- their network was founded because they don't think that there are enough positive roles for minorities in film, and they always complain when minority actors are cast in roles that reinforce a negative stereotype. So why are so many of them pissed off about a Latin American villain being (possibly) changed to a non-Latin White one? Shouldn't they be glad that the steroid abusing man who breaks Batman's back isn't going to be an evil Latino in a Luchador mask? Is this really that big of a loss for the Latin American community by Racebending's standards?

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much from them, seeing as many people in the responses are equally outraged that that a "pale actress" was cast as Catwoman, since according to them she's "obviously supposed to be a Latina." And this lot wonders why the rest of the internet doesn't take them seriously.

 

[craigdbfan]

He's half British and half unknown Caribbean Latino of any race.

Their argument falls moot on the basis that Hispanic/Latino is an ethnic title rather than race. Tom Hardy is British/White thus meeting at least half of the "racial" requirement. Bane's other Caribbean half is most likely of almost all Spanish ancestry so that would be two European countries of direct origin.

Don't pay them any attention. Latino isn't a race but rather an ethnicity, case and point.

They can be mad about not having the right ethnicity in the actor but they can't even touch Hardy/Bane on the racial matter. The character is well over 50% caucasian for the most part. Anglo/Spanish.

Sounds pretty white to me.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Also, to be fair, despite Bane's ethnic origins, he is almost always DRAWN as a white character.

 

[Timstuff]

He's half British and half unknown Caribbean Latino of any race.

Their argument falls moot on the basis that Hispanic/Latino is an ethnic title rather than race. Tom Hardy is British/White thus meeting at least half of the "racial" requirement. Bane's other Caribbean half is most likely of almost all Spanish ancestry so that would be two European countries of direct origin.

Don't pay them any attention. Latino isn't a race but rather an ethnicity, case and point.

They can be mad about not having the right ethnicity in the actor but they can't even touch Hardy/Bane on the racial matter. The character is well over 50% caucasian for the most part. Anglo/Spanish.

Sounds pretty white to me.

Tell me about it. Since when does ethnicity matter when casting a movie? Chris Hemsworth ain't Scandinavian but he's playing Thor, and no-one is complaining about it. The Racebenders have never really been in agreement about whether Latino is a race or ethnicity, so I guess I'm expecting a bit much of them. A lot of people don't know the difference between race and ethnicity, however, seeing as Racebending labels themselves as a racial advocacy group, I'd think they of all people would understand that Latin is not a skin color (but apparently, even that is giving them too much credit).

 

[craigdbfan]

Latino/Hispanic is a tricky label. It's only used by the US Census anyway.

Racially they are probably the most diverse of any ethnicity. There are White, Black, Native, mix between White/Native (called Mestizo a large majority of Latin America), even Asian mainly in Peru and Bolivia.

That why every time you have to answer any documents in regards to race, check out what it says for the Latino/Hispanic label. It usually has something saying (regardless of race) right by it.

But when it comes to Bane he is mainly drawn with Anglo/Spanish characteristics. Brown/Black hair and tan with blue/green eyes I believe. So yeah he's obviously mixed but with all European ancestry but still very much culturally Hispanic.

 

[Saint]

I'd prefer Bane to have an actual mask made from some sort of fabric as opposed to wearing a hard facemask or helmet. Besides personal preference, I just don't feel as though he needs the extra protection a helmet provides...he's Bane.

If they could find a way to fashion a Lucha mask for Bane that doesn't look goofy and has a closed mouth area, I'm all for it. I'm not a huge fan of the exposed mouth area and I hated it in TAS. I even hated when they gave Kick-Ass an open mouth mask. Anyway, I think it's important that the mask itself doesn't look brand spanking new. It should have a lot of wear to it and appear well traveled as if Bane has put in years with it.

I wouldn't even be mad if he wore a basic balaclava mask or ski mask and customized it himself like some soldiers do. Maybe he paints/draws/airbrushes it, maybe not. Give it a kind of gritty makeshift quality.

It obviously doesn't have to use a skull/ghost motif, but there is a certain intimidation factor there. Just bouncing ideas.

Yeah, depending on the look they go for, something like this could work just fine.

 

[craigdbfan]

Tell me about it. Since when does ethnicity matter when casting a movie? Chris Hemsworth ain't Scandinavian but he's playing Thor, and no-one is complaining about it. The Racebenders have never really been in agreement about whether Latino is a race or ethnicity, so I guess I'm expecting a bit much of them. A lot of people don't know the difference between race and ethnicity, however, seeing as Racebending labels themselves as a racial advocacy group, I'd think they of all people would understand that Latin is not a skin color (but apparently, even that is giving them too much credit).

Racebending.com or whatever is just a big.

They preach about intolerance and ignorance yet them treating Latino/Hispanic as a race versus an ethnic label goes to show their own ignorance.

Reading anything they post gives me this face:

 

[Miranda Fox]

*sigh* it was only a matter of time, I suppose, before the Racebenders caught wind of a white British actor being cast as the South American-born Bane character.

Be forewarned-- you're about to enter some very stupid territory.

http://community.livejournal.com/racebending/295036.html

So let me get this straight-- their network was founded because they don't think that there are enough positive roles for minorities in film, and they always complain when minority actors are cast in roles that reinforce a negative stereotype. So why are so many of them pissed off about a Latin American villain being (possibly) changed to a non-Latin White one? Shouldn't they be glad that the steroid abusing man who breaks Batman's back isn't going to be an evil Latino in a Luchador mask? Is this really that big of a loss for the Latin American community by Racebending's standards?

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much from them, seeing as many people in the responses are equally outraged that that a "pale actress" was cast as Catwoman, since according to them she's "obviously supposed to be a Latina." And this lot wonders why the rest of the internet doesn't take them seriously.

I never feel good criticising the Racebenders because I, in general, agree with their points about the white-washing that goes on in Hollywood. However, on this one, they and all the SJ'ers are full of ****.

To be perfectly honest, I think Bane the character is a pretty offensive stereotype for all the reasons you pointed out - he's a drug addict, he wears a wrestler mask ffs. If Nolan had cast a Latino actor in this role, are the racebenders telling me they would've been okay with that?

Also, this is really not in any way comparable to what Shyamalan did with the Last Failbender. He took a show comprised largely of Asian characters and cast white actors. Nolan took a half-white character with racially problematic elements and...cast a white guy. I understand the general disappointment in not casting a Latino actor but this isn't white-washing. And this is without factoring in that Santa Priscans are supposed to be descended from Spanish/European settlers according to DC canon. I imagine most of these people don't know much about Bane at all and simply saw Latino and made assumptions. Yes, that'll help in the fight against real racism.

The part about Catwoman being a Latina is actually quite hilarious. Because a highly sexualised Latina woman isn't an offensive stereotype at all.

I'd be interested to hear what the Latinos on this board think.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

All this talk about Anti-Latino reminded me of an episode of TMZ.

 

[conan69]

Might this info apply to Bane, his backstory,etc....
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19158/-dark-knight-rises-in-bucharest-

 

[Octoberist]

Isn't Bane half Brtish anyway?

And like what you guys are saying... Hispanics/Latinos are a very diverse group and merely a US Conesensus thing.

 

[grand-I-am]

Isn't Bane half Brtish anyway?

And like what you guys are saying... Hispanics/Latinos are a very diverse group and merely a US Conesensus thing.

Yes I get what you're saying but the poster simply wanted bane to look like the stereotypical hispanic which is tanned complexion with dark hair , dark eyes..
We all know the "latino" group is very diverse

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Who gives a **** what Bane's race will be in the film? It isn't essential to his character. Most of the frikkin cast is British including Batman himself. Nolan has a vision for Bane and chose Tom Hardy for the role.

 

[ronny]

Will bane be nolan's first sympathetic main villain?

Could be. Think about who's came before.

Ras Al Ghul - Willing to commit mass murder based on a very wooly concept of 'balance'.

Two-Face - Went on a killing spree and put a gun to a childs head. Used Rachel as an excuse but was really more of an insane zealot than a grieving lover. Even before the accident, he was willing to torture a defenceless, weeping mental patient.

Scarecrow - Pathetic little man who drugs other people to get over his own experiences of being bullied.

Zsasz - Serial killer.

Joker - Serial killer. Mass murderer. Terrorist. Snazzy fashion sense.

Bane is not a sadist, he's not a genocidal lunatic, I don't think he'd hurt a child. He just came from an environment in which he had to be strong, he had to be dominant because the military junta had taken this little kid and locked him in jail with fully grown men.
Compared to this, the 'suffering' of Dent, Joker and Crane is absolutely insignificant. Bane's suffered more than any of them yet didn't become a villain.

I don't think he's a villain at all, I don't know what to call him. He is different things at different times, governed by a personal sense of honour and a desire for status and respect.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Yeah, if anything I think the version in TNBA, where he didn't have that thick accent, made him more menacing than the NACHOOOOO LIBRE feel from BTAS (sorry about that. Blame J.B. not me)! Besides, I vaguely remember something about Bane being inspired by The Count of Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas. As is the case with any adaptation, I believe they ought to keep the themes intact and take some inspiration from there.

For some reason, I don't think Nolan will take anything from Kubrick this time, though maybe something from Spartacus or Full Metal Jacket. Don't see that as necessary though.

 

[DocHoliday]

Could be. Think about who's came before.

Ras Al Ghul - Willing to commit mass murder based on a very wooly concept of 'balance'.

Two-Face - Went on a killing spree and put a gun to a childs head. Used Rachel as an excuse but was really more of an insane zealot than a grieving lover. Even before the accident, he was willing to torture a defenceless, weeping mental patient.

Scarecrow - Pathetic little man who drugs other people to get over his own experiences of being bullied.

Zsasz - Serial killer.

Joker - Serial killer. Mass murderer. Terrorist. Snazzy fashion sense.

Bane is not a sadist, he's not a genocidal lunatic, I don't think he'd hurt a child. He just came from an environment in which he had to be strong, he had to be dominant because the military junta had taken this little kid and locked him in jail with fully grown men.
Compared to this, the 'suffering' of Dent, Joker and Crane is absolutely insignificant. Bane's suffered more than any of them yet didn't become a villain.

I don't think he's a villain at all, I don't know what to call him. He is different things at different times, governed by a personal sense of honour and a desire for status and respect.

I dunno I found Dent to be pretty sympathetic.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I don't think he's a villain at all, I don't know what to call him. He is different things at different times, governed by a personal sense of honour and a desire for status and respect.

He oscillates between moral and amoral. I think he could be an anti-hero, but foremost, he's an antagonist. I remember writing a story once where he was a 'V' (for Vendetta) esque figure.

 

[namtaB]

Race is largely irrelevant. When I was in college we had a fraternity brother who was Cuban but he had pale white skin and red hair. If you looked at him you would think he was Scottish, but you would never guess he was Cuban. So my advice for the people who are complaining that Hardy doesn't look latino/hispanic/etc. just think of him as someone without classic latino/hispanic/etc. features. Problem solved.

 

[Octoberist]

It's kinda weird because in America, I think race is a bigger topic than any other country out there due to our history; everything unfolded in the worlds eyes because we're such a young country. I could be wrong too, because in some of smaller countries (possibly third world with genocides), it happens (like in countries in South Africa).

But like what you said, I've met people from Argentina who had blond hair and blue eyes.

 

[namtaB]

It's kinda weird because in America, I think race is a bigger topic than any other country out there due to our history; everything unfolded in the worlds eyes because we're such a young country. I could be wrong too, because in some of smaller countries (possibly third world with genocides), it happens (like in countries in South Africa).

But like what you said, I've met people from Argentina who had blond hair and blue eyes.

America is not homogeneous. I have a friend who studied in mainland China and their population is homogeneous to the point where if you don't look Asian, people will stare at you while you walk down the street as they did her (imagine a 5"10 athletic brunette from the midwest).

Plus, we're all inherently xenophobic anyway which I suspect is an evolutionary trait. History is full of examples of one race/population trying to eradicate another race/population.

In today's politically correct world, this xenophobia translates into heightened racial awareness and the tumultuous issues that creates.

 

[ronny]

I dunno I found Dent to be pretty sympathetic.

The first time I watched the movie, I agree, he did seem somewhat sympathetic. But the more I watch the movie the more I realise that his apparent love of law and order is a thin mask for his own vanity.
He sat on his high horse and looked down on Gordon, not even trying to understand his posistion.

Batman is a hero because even if he hates criminality he is willing to give the actual criminal a chance. Hell, after Joker crippled Barbara Gordon he STILL tried to help him. Dent never understood, he never tried to understand and his disfigurement just let him do all the morbid, disgusting crap he already wanted to do. He appointed himself judge, jury and executioner based on nothing more valid than a sense of his own righteousness and a vague notion of having been treated 'unfairly'.

The Dark Knight is even more tragic for the fact that the man Batman puts so much hope in is essentially a false prophet, a man who let his ideals destroy his reason, logic and simple human compassion.

Now I don't really pity Harvey Dent one bit. The man's a monster, and I'm of the opinion that he was always a monster underneath all that smug posturing.