Baptism

[FrostBite]

Who is having sex immediately after circumcision???

Masochistic Africans according to Majic.

What I meant is that this might be true for recently circumcised adults for a short period of time, but this is not true for infants (duh) and this is also not true after extended periods of time.

Well, I've been alive a little over 20 years. When does the extended period of time kick in?

 

[Majic Walrus]

There are like millions of circumcised males, myself included, that are doing just fine.

There are millions of women that have had clitorectomies don't just fine too but that doesn't mean it was a good idea.

It's not a big deal at all. Besides, circumcision is far more common in this country, so how exactly would it "**** up" a kids life? Oh, it also makes hygiene a touch easier.

Just because something is common does not mean that it's a good idea.

It doesn't make hygiene that much easier, besides why force someone to do something that makes "hygiene" a touch easier? I mean it's a painful experience that is done basically because of personal preference and tradition.

Would you have your fingernails ripped out so you didn't have to clip them?

 

[Majic Walrus]

Masochistic Africans according to Majic.



Well, I've been alive a little over 20 years. When does the extended period of time kick in?

It's already there. Have you ever had sex with an uncircumcised penis? You have no comparison.

 

[FrostBite]

There are millions of women that have had clitorectomies don't just fine too but that doesn't mean it was a good idea.



Just because something is common does not mean that it's a good idea.

It doesn't make hygiene that much easier, besides why force someone to do something that makes "hygiene" a touch easier? I mean it's a painful experience that is done basically because of personal preference and tradition.

Would you have your fingernails ripped out so you didn't have to clip them?

Only on teh interwebz.

It's already there. Have you ever had sex with an uncircumcised penis? You have no comparison.

Well, I can definitely attest to not being desensitized. And if you have comparisons to base it off of, kudos to you. But you don't speak for everyman. I gave you a study--you simply attested it to the fact they "recently" had it, despite knowing nothing about it. I'd find it for you, but I don't feel like searching for an incredibly obscure article I read nearly a year ago.

I can tell you this, I've had sex with a circumcised penis, and tend to do so very often. I were desensitized, I probably wouldn't care for it at all--I'd be numb.

Not to mention the basic biology behind the concept. If you say that having no foreskin creates a numb, desensitized sensation, then women must be completely numb without any procedure seeing as their clitoris is far more exposed than an uncircumcised penis. Which... tada! Is nothing but a tiny penis (no wai!) As we were all conceived as women, and grew into males--ovaries dropped into testes, and the clitoris grew into... come on... guess...

Where as there are many MANY nerve endings within the clitoris there would also be so on.. again... put the pieces together...the tip of the penis!

A male circumcision is nothing like a female one, now, if they start cutting off the tips of peoples penis completely to eliminate any and all pleasure, well, you may have an argument.

Your desensitization theory doesn't make any sense at all, if it did we'd have a bunch of numb to sex men walking around indifferent to the feeling.

To answer your question from before have I had sex? Often. Do I want it to feel better? Not sure I could possibly imagine it.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Well screw all of you.

Penn and Teller believe me.

 

[chaseter]

Cliterectomy =/= circumcision

 

[StrainedEyes]

"It had no face, no personality. It was like a martian."
- Elaine Benes on the uncircumcised penis.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Only on teh interwebz.


Well, I can definitely attest to not being desensitized. And if you have comparisons to base it off of, kudos to you. But you don't speak for everyman. I gave you a study--you simply attested it to the fact they "recently" had it, despite knowing nothing about it. I'd find it for you, but I don't feel like searching for an incredibly obscure article I read nearly a year ago.

I can tell you this, I've had sex with a circumcised penis, and tend to do so very often. I were desensitized, I probably wouldn't care for it at all--I'd be numb.

I'm not talking about COMPLETE desensitization. I'm just talking about some desensitization. Meaning uncircumcised penises might feel even more.

Not to mention the basic biology behind the concept. If you say that having no foreskin creates a numb, desensitized sensation, then women must be completely numb without any procedure seeing as their clitoris is far more exposed than an uncircumcised penis. Which... tada! Is nothing but a tiny penis (no wai!) As we were all conceived as women, and grew into males--ovaries dropped into testes, and the clitoris grew into... come on... guess...

I don't say that it creates a numb sensation.

Ever heard of the clitoral hood? The clitoris isn't completely exposed for that exact reason.

Where as there are many MANY nerve endings within the clitoris there would also be so on.. again... put the pieces together...the tip of the penis!

A male circumcision is nothing like a female one, now, if they start cutting off the tips of peoples penis completely to eliminate any and all pleasure, well, you may have an argument.

Your desensitization theory doesn't make any sense at all, if it did we'd have a bunch of numb to sex men walking around indifferent to the feeling.

To answer your question from before have I had sex? Often. Do I want it to feel better? Not sure I could possibly imagine it.

Again I'm not saying that removing the foreskin causes COMPLETE desensitization just that it partially decreases sensitivity.

Cliterectomy =/= circumcision

Fair point. But they are both traditionally done to young people. They are both damaging to the genitalia. They're a lot different but they have similarities.

 

[FrostBite]

Ever heard of the clitoral hood? The clitoris isn't completely exposed for that exact reason.

Yes, except for the fact that the clitoris holds far more concentrated nerve endings than the tip of the penis because once it grows into a penis the nerve endings are stretched throughout the entire shaft and tip meaning most of those nerve endings are intact even without the foreskin and if the clitoral hood wasn't in place it could cause permanent nerve damage in said area--not just desensitization.

BTW I'd like to note I am not even pro-circumcision. Only benefits are not lying with hygiene but in a reduced risk of transmitting certain STDs--which, unless you're stupid you're not going to catch anyway.

I am just pro-spreading the truth about the matter.

I am not trying to convince you to do whatever to your kids.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Yes, except for the fact that the clitoris holds far more concentrated nerve endings than the tip of the penis because once it grows into a penis the nerve endings are stretched throughout the entire shaft and tip meaning most of those nerve endings are intact even without the foreskin and if the clitoral hood wasn't in place it could cause permanent nerve damage in said area--not just desensitization.

Right. If the clitoral hood wasn't in place it would cause permanent nerve damage because the nerves are so close together. In the glans (tip of the penis) the nerves are much further spread apart so there's no danger of permanent nerve damage, just desensitization.

 

[The Battousai]

I guess most people haven't seen P&T's Bull**** episode on the subject

 

[Majic Walrus]

I guess most people haven't seen P&T's Bull**** episode on the subject

Thanks man!

 

[katie_girl09]

Baptism! This thread is about BAP-TISM!

 

[FrostBite]

Thank you for summing up how I feel right now. Though instead of hitting my head against one, I feel like I am talking to one. Desensitization doesn't work that way. When a piece of your skin (or even an entire vital part of your body) is removed (we'll use an arm in this instance) the brain tends to rearrange nerve endings to compensate for the lost skin/muscle/etc. (Hence phantom limb syndrome in some individuals where it rearranges it to the wrong spot.) If you're circumcised, at such a young age, more often than not your brain is going to compensate and rearrange those nerve endings to make up for lost tissue.

(I can do this alllllll day... or, at least until 10.)

Again, I don't know what happened to you, nor if you are just pro-all natural , but seriously, there aren't many facts to support what you are going on about--outside of the preconceived misconceptions concocted by pro-forskin-hugging (har har/ew) activists.

I'm not viewing circumcision as norm, or even a benefit--I just don't think it's a threat to my or anyone else's sexual pleasure (as Lord knows I do loves it so ) and given the choice? I'd do it again.

If you see it as mutilation do so, because.. technically it is, but to go on some agenda that puts you in these weird fits of rage and disappointment of your own sexual pleasure is pretty... meh. Considering most of us don't see/experience the desensitization that you refer to--and neither do our girlfriends. t:

 

[Majic Walrus]

Baptism! This thread is about BAP-TISM!

Oh. Yeah, that's totally cool if your parents want to do it or you do or whatever.

 

[FrostBite]

Baptism! This thread is about BAP-TISM!

The thread has been hijacked. What can we say, us men like our wee-wees .

 

[Majic Walrus]

Thank you for summing up how I feel right now. Though instead of hitting my head against one, I feel like I am talking to one. Desensitization doesn't work that way. When a piece of your skin (or even an entire vital part of your body) is removed (we'll use an arm in this instance) the brain tends to rearrange nerve endings to compensate for the lost skin/muscle/etc. (Hence phantom limb syndrome in some individuals where it rearranges it to the wrong spot.) If you're circumcised, at such a young age, more often than not your brain is going to compensate and rearrange those nerve endings to make up for lost tissue.

(I can do this alllllll day... or, at least until 10.)

Your brain compensates for exposed nerves by desensitizing the glans. In addition you haven't even considered the number of erogenous zones that are completely removed because they are part of the foreskin.

Removing a piece of the body makes that place less sensitive. This is not rocket surgery.

Again, I don't know what happened to you, nor if you are just pro-all natural , but seriously, there aren't many facts to support what you are going on about--outside of the preconceived misconceptions concocted by pro-forskin-hugging (har har/ew) activists.

I'm not viewing circumcision as norm, or even a benefit--I just don't think it's a threat to my or anyone else's sexual pleasure (as Lord knows I do loves it so ) and given the choice? I'd do it again.

If you see it as mutilation do so, because.. technically it is, but to go on some agenda that puts you in these weird fits of rage and disappointment of your own sexual pleasure is pretty... meh. Considering most of us don't see/experience the desensitization that you refer to--and neither do our girlfriends. t:

It's not about me personally. I've been cut and I'm cool with it. It's all I've ever known. I enjoy sex just like anyone enjoys sex and I've never had anyone complain about my wiener... BUT that doesn't mean that I would put my son through that or condone that in anyone else.

When I was born my parents made a decision about something that caused me intense pain based on information that was completely false and totally ********. I don't want other parents to make their decision based on the same invalid information.

 

[FrostBite]

Your brain compensates for exposed nerves by desensitizing the glans. In addition you haven't even considered the number of erogenous zones that are completely removed because they are part of the foreskin.

Removing a piece of the body makes that place less sensitive. This is not rocket surgery.



It's not about me personally. I've been cut and I'm cool with it. It's all I've ever known. I enjoy sex just like anyone enjoys sex and I've never had anyone complain about my wiener... BUT that doesn't mean that I would put my son through that or condone that in anyone else.

When I was born my parents made a decision about something that caused me intense pain based on information that was completely false and totally ********. I don't want other parents to make their decision based on the same invalid information.

This desensitizing the glands theory doesn't even fit with what you've previously said. First you said that it would get gradually desensitized... now your are going on about the brain compensating by desensitizing which would happen in a mere month, rather than years as with the study with the tribesmen.

And actually, unless removed completely (and sometimes after that even) removing a piece of the body makes it more sensitive, sometimes to the point of agonizing pain by pinching remaining nerve endings, and tricking the body into thinking that the missing body part is still intact.

Intense pain? You don't even know intense pain. The wool you may wear? They bite the sheep's testicles out to keep them from breeding. Every. Single. Testicle. Not that this really pertains to anything, but unless your parents cut your long john when you were past the age of 3, I doubt you remember any pain.

On a side note, there's no such thing as rocket surgery.

And again, I never said you had to do it to your son. I am so not pro anything really. I enjoy my cutness, so I'll probably spread that on to my kid, just as you seem to resent the idea of it, so you won't. I don't really believe in much of the information for it, except it's proven effectiveness for reducing the risk of STD transmission.

 

[Majic Walrus]

This desensitizing the glands theory doesn't even fit with what you've previously said. First you said that it would get gradually desensitized... now your are going on about the brain compensating by desensitizing which would happen in a mere month, rather than years as with the study with the tribesmen.

A month can be gradual... I'm talking about over the course of time as the glans becomes more and more exposed to clothes and the elements.

And actually, unless removed completely (and sometimes after that even) removing a piece of the body makes it more sensitive, sometimes to the point of agonizing pain by pinching remaining nerve endings, and tricking the body into thinking that the missing body part is still intact.

Intense pain? You don't even know intense pain. The wool you may wear? They bite the sheep's testicles out to keep them from breeding. Every. Single. Testicle. Not that this really pertains to anything, but unless your parents cut your long john when you were past the age of 3, I doubt you remember any pain.

Firstly, I don't care about sheep. Sheep are not people. They are sheep.

Secondly, so it's okay to like... punch babies because they won't remember the pain? That's dumb. Remembering pain or not remembering pain does not mean that the pain goes away.

On a side note, there's no such thing as rocket surgery.

I know... I was lightening the mood with a jovial reference to Yogi Berra.

And again, I never said you had to do it to your son. I am so not pro anything really. I enjoy my cutness, so I'll probably spread that on to my kid, just as you seem to resent the idea of it, so you won't. Tis cool.

Right. It's cool. I think it's wrong though. So I want to educate as many people as possible when the topic comes up so that when they have a kid they'll think about the reality of circumcision instead of just doing it because that's what their parents did and so on and so forth. Doing something out of habit or tradition is sometimes pretty stupid and it pays to investigate further.

 

[FrostBite]

A month can be gradual... I'm talking about over the course of time as the glans becomes more and more exposed to clothes and the elements.


Right. It's cool. I think it's wrong though. So I want to educate as many people as possible when the topic comes up so that when they have a kid they'll think about the reality of circumcision instead of just doing it because that's what their parents did and so on and so forth. Doing something out of habit or tradition is sometimes pretty stupid and it pays to investigate further.

is right!


Thank God, these fair people have Majic Walrus to look upon when the time comes to choose what is best for their child. Where would they be!?

 

[The Guard]

I look at it this way: Regardless of what you believe...it can't hurt, right? It's not going to change anything. I was baptised when I was 12. And I agree. Children should be able to choose what they want in terms of religion.

As for circumcisions...some girls (or guys) like it dirty. And circumcision was the best part of YEAR ONE.

But this debate...ayiyi...AGAIN with the generalizations. Not everything affects everyone the same way.

 

[Majic Walrus]

is right!


Thank God, these fair people have Majic Walrus to look upon when the time comes to choose what is best for their child. Where would they be!?

Yeah God forbid someone present an opposing view so that people can make informed decisions instead of just doing what we've always done for the rest of eternity.

 

[katie_girl09]

Oh. Yeah, that's totally cool if your parents want to do it or you do or whatever.

The thread has been hijacked. What can we say, us men like our wee-wees .

Yes, I've noticed. You men can't stop thinking about them.

 

[FrostBite]

Yeah God forbid someone present an opposing view so that people can make informed decisions instead of just doing what we've always done for the rest of eternity.

Presenting an opposing view is different than trying to ram it down another's throat with a child like "Nuh uh!" mentality . Which is only what I would assume you'd do to another choosing to do so with their child. Which is why I find it a wee bit hard to take your seriously.

I'm done for the night though, work in the morning.

To get back on topic (since I've been waaaaay off for awhile now): Fill us in one whatever happens Zane--whatever you decide is ultimately up to you and your wife (or baby's mama .) As I said, falling into the pressure of your family members isn't the way to go as they'll only continue to do so throughout the duration of your life. If you choose to baptize the child, make sure you are comfortable with it, and, I'm terribly sorry for derailing the thread with a separate right of passage debate, I just get sucked into these things!

Yes, I've noticed. You men can't stop thinking about them.

And nor can our women! ZING! (I am of course joking with both posts. )

I just can't help but get sucked into a good debate it's like a heroine addict to a needle.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Presenting an opposing view is different than trying to ram it down another's throat with a child like "Nuh uh!" mentality . Which is only what I would assume you'd do to another choosing to do so with their child. Which is why I find it a wee bit hard to take your seriously.

I don't think I've been too ranty or shoved it down anyone's throat more than anything else I think is wrong. I think people do it because they don't know any better so I'm trying to make sure that people become more aware of everything.

I'm done for the night though, work in the morning.

'night dude.

To get back on topic (since I've been waaaaay off for awhile now): Fill us in one whatever happens Zane--whatever you decide is ultimately up to you and your wife (or baby's mama .) As I said, falling into the pressure of your family members isn't the way to go as they'll only continue to do so throughout the duration of your life. If you choose to baptize the child, make sure you are comfortable with it, and, I'm terribly sorry for derailing the thread with a separate right of passage debate, I just get sucked into these things!



And nor can our women! ZING! (I am of course joking with both posts. )

I just can't help but get sucked into a good debate it's like a heroine addict to a needle.

Ditto.